Posted on 05/30/2010 2:09:35 PM PDT by Salvation
Absolutely not!
Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Christ is the one "of" God. He has "seen" the Father.
Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
God the Father sent Jesus. At least that is what Jesus said. He knows the he is not the Father, but is the son.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post[to be] the Saviour of the world.
Speaking of Jesus: Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
An "image" is a representation of the real thing or person. Sometimes an image is what one wants people to think about them, as an actor holding a certain image with his fans.
Clearly Jesus is the son of God. God send Jesus. God is the Father. Jesus is God's son. God sent Jesus. God is invisible. Jesus was so united with God in purpose that he could represent God perfectly. Jesus was God's representative, God's image on Earth to the point that Jesus could tell others that if you knew Jesus then you knew God.
Pretty simple really.
Oh yeah...how about this?
Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Jesus says that believers will do not just equal, but greater works than him.
So if Jesus is God the Jesus said that his beleivers would do greater works than God, right?
Not only are you sorry but you’re sinning by judging.
Yes, you are a sorry individual.
Judging your words applying the Word of God isn't me judging.
Yes, you are a sorry individual.
LOL, coming from someone like you, I take that as a compliment.
And you know this how????????
What is "this" specifically?
There is no "unknown counsel of God. Job 38:2, "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?" This refers to one w/o knowledge and understanding. The questions that follow are questions that can be answered.
All questions from Job 38...
God: "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
spunkets: On your mind.
God: Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
spunkets: You did.
God: " Who stretched a measuring line across it?
spunkets: You did, followed by men.
God: " On what were its footings set,
spunkets: On the energy and physics of your world.
God: "or who laid its cornerstone-"
spunkets: You did.
"How, no clue nor does any man since none were there at the time either. All we have is God's account through Moses."
No. Genesis is parable. Men can look at reality and use their reason to know what happened physically w/o the necessity of actually being present. To science, this universe appears as a phase transition in the dimensions, from another phase and this is referred to as the big bang.
Since there was one person that showed up and claimed to be the person that triggered what is known as the big bang, reason can be used to determine the logical consistancy of that story and to make a logical comparison of that story with the knowledge and understanding aquired through science.
The Epicurus principle states that, if there is more than one theory consistent with the evidence, keep both(or all). The nature of phase transitions(PT) is such that the specific cause of a particular PT event will never be known.
"Reason has its limits and its place is suppressed when faced by questions only God knows the answer to."
A lack of evidence is not a limitation of reason.
More from Job 38. God: "What is the way to the abode of light?
spunkets: In the mind of one who loves your values.
God: And where does darkness reside?
spunkets: In the mind of those that have rejected your values, or in no mind at all.
God: Can you take them to their places?
spunkets: Yes, and I will continue to teach.
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
spunkets: I have learned some.
"God halted the setting of the sun for the Israelites to do battle. Josh 10:13.
No, He did not. The law of conservation of angular momentum prohibits it.
Re: Job 42:5 "My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you."
Job is a story, a long parable. This face to face meeting is hypothetical.
I won’t argue the point of knowing the mind of God. You can know as much about Him as He has revealed, and no further.
"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"
My God hasn’t forsaken me. Of course I didn’t die for the sin of the world either. This question occured during my God’s redemption of me.
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