Posted on 05/31/2010 4:54:56 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn
Here’s a snippet from Glenn Beck’s radio show 5/27/10 – this one clip should eternally disqualify Glenn Beck as a commentator on religion in the eyes of all informed listeners:
Here is a transcript provided by RazorKiss that starts at about 38 seconds into the clip (link):
Glenn: “…the Dead Sea Scrolls, you know what they are? Stu, do you know what the Dead Sea Scrolls are? Stu: Well, of course I do… Glenn: Now, c’mon, most people don’t. Stu: Well, I heard of them, I don’t really know Glenn: You don’t really know. You have no idea why they were there. Sara average person doesn’t know. Any idea, take a guess on why the Dead Sea Scrolls were there, or anything else. Sara(?): Something religious. Glenn: Okay, good. Even though I’ve explained this on this program a couple of times, I’m glad to see that even the people that work with me don’t even listen. So here’s what happened. When Constantine decided that he was going to cobble together an army, he did the Council of Nicea, right, Pat? Pat: Yea. Glenn: The Council of Nicea, and what they did is brought all of the religious figures together, all the Christians and then they said, “Ok, let’s put together the Apostles’ Creed, let’s you know, you guys do it.” So they brought all their religious scripture together, that’s when the Bible was first bound and everything else. And then they said, “Anybody that disagrees with this is a heretic and off with their head!” Well, that’s what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. The Dead Sea Scrolls are those scriptures that people had at the time that they said, “They are destroying all of this truth.” Whether it’s truth or not is up to the individual, but at that time those people thought that this was something that needed to be preserved and so they rolled up the scrolls and put them in clay pots and they put them in the back of caves where no one could find them. They were hidden scripture because everything was being destroyed that disagreed with the Council of Nicea and Constantine. That’s what those things are.”
Schleitheim has done a hilarious analysis here. Glenn Beck is simply too stupid for words. It is little wonder that Liberty University thought he was a worthy choice to speak at their commencement ceremony.
Gee, I’m really among the grownups this morning. Has your knee stopped jerking long enough to understand the context in which I posted this story?
I think you pretty well nailed it and yes, those scrolls do confirm that our Bible translations, especially the King James, was right on the money.
That was a great, and very informative show.
I’d never looked at the 3/5th compromise in that light.
Glenn Beck is incredibly informative, however I can only take him in small doses, like nitro pills, I grasp the essence he hammers on daily, so the near daily slide into “the country is finished!” just becomes grating when repeated ad nauseum.
For me at least.
Good detective work Marlowe! Soros is financing an intensive, microscopic investigation of Reagan, Beck, and anyone else that could be a threat.
His point is valid...these were scrolls that were perseved becayse people BELIEVED them to be true....where is the problem.
The difference between Rush and Glenn is that. Rush doesn’t pretend to be a religious zealot. It really bothers me when someone that belongs to a cult starts mixing religion and politics. And, yes I can just turn Beck off and often do just that.
Constantine had an army long before the Council of Nicaea (which took place after he conquered the eastern half of the empire from Licinius). The Council of Nicaea has nothing to do with the Apostles' Creed. Even the so-called Nicene Creed is not actually the creed adopted in 325 but dates to the second ecumenical council in 381 (the two creeds are similar but some of the A.D. 325 wording is absent from the Nicene Creed still read in churches).
I heard this the day he said it and actually commented on the Glenn Beck radio thread on FR. I thought the Nicea stuff sounded wonky and googled around. The Nicene council wasn’t when scripture was defined, that’s Dan Brown stuff. And I guess he confused the Nicene creed with the Apostles’ creed.
Flapp Jackson in the Morning this Morning’s strongest subject isn’t Church history, shocking. The point about teaching kids is good, maybe he’ll get another analogy next time.
Glenn is a radio DJ, I am a big fan too. I think his radio show has suffered with the start of the TV shows. But I think the TV show is good for conservatism.
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Even if he meant to say “Nag Hammadi,” his portrait of Constantine, the Council of Nicea etc. is goofball stupid. Of course, it’s the sort of goofball stupidness that a lot of Christian-despising pro-Gnostic, champions of Gnostic Nag Hammadi against the eeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvviiiiiiiiiiillllll mainstream Nicene Church of the day like to spout.
So Glenn B. in this instance grabbed a bunch of liberal pro-Gnostic Christian-despising academic distortion of history and misapplied it to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Even if he had applied it to the Nag Hammadi Gnostic writings, it would be a case of Glenn Beck’s suspicion of historic mainstream Christianity leading him to let down his guard and accept nonsense because it accords with his “anti-Constantinianism.”
But a lot of low-church, anti-Catholic, Protestant share the same “boogeyman Constantine” bias and are susceptible to the same mistake.
So, okay, he mistook Nag Hammadi for Dead Sea Scrolls. But even if we cut him slack for that, he’s unwittingly buying into liberal crap.
Glenn Beck is incorrect in his facts.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachBut Richard Amiel McGough is no follower of Yah'shua the Messiah.
Well thought out comments. Thank you.
Not to quibble here, but Gutenberg was 15th century. The 11th was still the dreaded Middle Ages. The printing press might have been invented in China at that point, but not in the west.
I always forget the dates. When exactly was the Gutenberg press invented?
I'd have to look it up to be sure, but somewhere around 1450 A.D. (Wikipedia says 1439) By the end of the 15th century, most books were printed on a press, not copied manuscripts. And yes, the first book Gutenberg printed was a bible, in actuality The Vulgate.
I agree with your solution. Just turn Beck off. The problem we have today is whenever someone doesn't like certain speech, they want to make a law and control what is broadcast over the air.
Thank you, TLG!
The Dead Sea Scrolls contain parts of every book of the Old Testament except for the book of Esther. They also contain other texts from ancient Hebrew life. They are not limited to the Scriptures.
There is a considerable academic debate as to who actually wrote them. However, the accuracy of translation of these texts establishes Holy Scripture as reliable.
Glenn: “…the Dead Sea Scrolls, you know what they are? Stu, do you know what the Dead Sea Scrolls are? Stu: Well, of course I do… Glenn: Now, c’mon, most people don’t
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