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Pro-Life Leader Hadley Arkes becomes Catholic
The Anchor ^ | May 31, 2010 | Christine M. Williams

Posted on 06/01/2010 9:52:44 AM PDT by NYer


Hadley Arkes

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Catholic Church’s voice for the littlest among us got even stronger last month. 

Hadley Arkes, professor of Jurisprudence and American Institutions at Amherst College, and one of the foremost Pro-Life legal scholars in the country, received the sacraments of baptism, confirmation and first Communion at the chapel of the Catholic Information Center in Washington, D.C. on April 24. 

Born and raised a Jew, Arkes said he views his newly-embraced Catholic faith as a fulfillment of his Jewish faith. Rather than a departure, he sees it as accepting Christ as Messiah.

More than a decade ago, Arkes realized that there was something special about the Catholic Church as a “truth-telling institution.” When the Church stood against the currents of opinion in the world, he was inclined to believe the Church was right, he told The Anchor

Before he embraced the Church’s faith, he had embraced the Church’s respect for human reason. In an article about his conversion for The Catholic Thing, an online periodical, he described his appreciation for the Church’s tradition of defending and promoting the natural law, with regard to the Pro-Life issue and in general. “The natural law we know through that reason that is natural for human beings. The Church’s moral position here did not depend on faith or belief. One didn’t have to be Catholic to understand it. And that was precisely the teaching of the Church.”

He told The Anchor, “I found myself explaining the Catholic position to Catholics.”

Robert George, the McCormick professor of jurisprudence at Princeton University, wrote about his friend Arkes’ conversion on Mirror of Justice, a blog dedicated to the development of Catholic legal theory. He noted that, although the Catholic Church’s moral witness on the sanctity of human life, marriage and sex has made the Church a “sign of contradiction” to many of the most powerful in contemporary Western culture, that same witness drew Arkes to the faith. Despite the failings of many of its members and leaders, especially in the wake of the sexual abuse crisis, Arkes recognized that the Church is indeed “a truth-telling institution,” he said.

“In teachings that many find to be impediments, Hadley found decisive evidence that the Church is, indeed, what she claims to be,” George wrote. 

Friends have said that Arkes has remarked that it is not a surprise that a faith that believes God himself comes under the appearance of unleavened bread is sensitive to the dignity of human life in even its tiniest form.

Joe Reilly, a former executive director of the Massachusetts Catholic Conference, told The Anchor that Arkes is a “deep thinker” and one of the most brilliant men he has come across in his work to defend life. He says he has long helped the whole Pro-Life movement think more deeply about the legal and philosophical principles at play. 

Former students of Arkes have thanked him for leading them to the truth found in natural law and, well before Arkes became a Catholic, for helping them to become better Catholics. 

One former student, Ned Desmond, who grew up on Cape Cod and graduated from Amherst in 1980, said that Arkes’ course on political obligations was “very clever” and “really steadied my hand and my mind as far as what I believed and what I thought was right,” he told The Anchor.

Arkes taught that abortion can never be justified, and Desmond said he was struck by the “deep saneness” of natural law theory. He later made the connection between the theory and Catholic teaching, which brought him closer to the faith. 

“He helped so many Catholic students get their bearing at Amherst,” said Desmond, who now lives in Maryland where he is the president of Go Sportn, Inc, and a former executive at Time magazine. 

Many leading Pro-Lifers give Arkes credit for some of the biggest recent achievements of the Pro-Life movement. Arkes helped write the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 and calls the legislation proof that “you don’t have to wait for the court to do everything.” He regularly contributes to journals and has written several books. He is currently working on a new book while on leave from Amherst, where he has taught since 1966.

Although he accepted the teachings of the Church, Arkes waited to convert. Concerns about how family members would take the news held him from taking the leap right away. He did not want to hurt his family nor seem to disrespect the Jewish faith.

He found that many Catholics respected Jewish tradition. They, like him, believed Abraham made a covenant with God. He saw the connection between the manna in the desert and the Eucharist. “You can read the Old Testament without the New, but you can’t really read the New Testament without the Old. Everything is predicated on the Old,” he told The Anchor.

Last year in October, after the Red Mass for members of the legal profession in Washington, Arkes and his wife Judy were approached by Father Arne Panula, the director at the Catholic Information Center where Arkes would be baptized. Father Panula provocatively asked him what was preventing the most famous non-Catholic at the Red Mass from coming into the Church. Arkes responded in the tradition of “The Wizard of Oz’s” Cowardly Lion, “c-c-c-courage.” In a homily one month later at a Mass at which Arkes was present, Father Panula said what the first reading and the Gospel of the Mass showed was the need for “c-c-c courage.” For Arkes, that illustration and inside joke “was the hook that finally worked.”

In a letter to friends after the baptism, Arkes wrote to thank them for their continued support.

“Judy and I are still dealing with the after-glow. It lingers, magically, and we aren’t inclined to snuff it out right away and get on with other things,” he said. “We can’t thank you all enough.”

Arkes and his wife, Judy, met in high school and have been married 48 years. Judy is Jewish, and Arkes said he could not have joined the Church without her support.

In a second Mirror of Justice blog entry, David Forte of Cleveland State University School of Law and a consultor to the Pontifical Council for the Family, said that Arkes was like Jesus in ministering to those who reason. Arkes, he said, “has never entered a debate to debate, much less to ‘win.’ Rather, he prepares for contests by seeking to understand, and he enters the lists seeking to persuade.”

“For all of his adult life, Hadley Arkes has followed in the steps of the Master.  He now walks along side of him,” he added.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Judaism
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1 posted on 06/01/2010 9:52:44 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 06/01/2010 9:53:42 AM PDT by NYer (Preachers who avoid every thorny matter so as not to be harassed do not light up the world!)
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To: NYer

Wow..........just got goosebumps!!


3 posted on 06/01/2010 9:55:43 AM PDT by diamond6 (Pray the Rosary to defeat communism and Obamacare!!)
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To: diamond6; NYer
Wow..........just got goosebumps!!

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Me too!

4 posted on 06/01/2010 10:05:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

booyah!


5 posted on 06/01/2010 10:08:23 AM PDT by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: Ancient Drive

Love your tagline. :)


6 posted on 06/01/2010 10:09:02 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: diamond6

Same here!


7 posted on 06/01/2010 10:25:15 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

He told The Anchor, “I found myself explaining the Catholic position to Catholics.”

Why I jumped over too. :) Welcome home!


8 posted on 06/01/2010 10:32:35 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: NYer

I love stories like this.

Thanks for posting.


9 posted on 06/01/2010 10:50:17 AM PDT by marron
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To: NYer

Bump!


10 posted on 06/01/2010 11:00:27 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: NYer

Thank you for this positive post.

I welcome all the good news I can receive. :-)


11 posted on 06/01/2010 11:07:43 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: NYer
“For all of his adult life, Hadley Arkes has followed in the steps of the Master. He now walks along side of him,” he added.

Not one word in this man's conversion about our Savior, Jesus Christ...

Christians don't walk along side of Jesus...They walk in Him...You can't get that concept until you ARE in Him...

12 posted on 06/01/2010 11:26:24 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Running On Empty
I welcome all the good news I can receive. :-)

Me too! It's often hard to find since most folks are drawn to scandalous news stories but I prefer and try to post these. Glad you enjoyed it.

13 posted on 06/01/2010 3:25:51 PM PDT by NYer (Preachers who avoid every thorny matter so as not to be harassed do not light up the world!)
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To: Iscool
Not one word in this man's conversion about our Savior, Jesus Christ...

It's right here!

Friends have said that Arkes has remarked that it is not a surprise that a faith that believes God himself comes under the appearance of unleavened bread is sensitive to the dignity of human life in even its tiniest form.

Even a Jew recognizes the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist!

14 posted on 06/01/2010 3:28:26 PM PDT by NYer (Preachers who avoid every thorny matter so as not to be harassed do not light up the world!)
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To: NYer
something special about the Catholic Church as a “truth-telling institution.”

Yes.



I am the way and the truth and the life

15 posted on 06/01/2010 4:53:55 PM PDT by annalex
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To: NYer

RE: More than a decade ago, Arkes realized that there was something special about the Catholic Church as a “truth-telling institution.”

Amen.


16 posted on 06/01/2010 4:56:17 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Amen.

Ditto.

17 posted on 06/01/2010 4:57:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Iscool

Only Satan himself could be in the heart of someone who, when presented with a story of conversion to Christ, spews venom.


18 posted on 06/01/2010 4:58:26 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: NYer

Thank you for posting this wonderful story. I was a little surprised because I had assumed that he had become Catholic quite a long time ago.


19 posted on 06/01/2010 5:07:43 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: NYer

Wonderful story. I hope someday to know for sure that I brought someone to the Table of the Lord.


20 posted on 06/01/2010 5:12:14 PM PDT by Melian ( God is even kinder than you think. ~St. Teresa)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Only Satan himself could be in the heart of someone who, when presented with a story of conversion to Christ, spews venom.

Misperception on your part...This guy spoke nothing of a conversion to Jesus Christ...He spoke of conversion to your religion...

Regardless of what they tell you, that is not at all the same thing...

He tells us he walks beside Jesus as opposed to 'in' Jesus...

From reading the article, appears as tho his highest authority is his ability to reason...

Jesus said, 'come unto me', not a religion...Scripture says, 'call on the name of the Lord', not a religion...Scripture says, 'confess me before men', not, confess a religion...

It's all on a very personal basis...Man/Jesus...NOT Man/Church...

When the fella can say that Jesus is the Lord of his life, and that he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior, I'll call him a Christian...And if you think that's Satan talking,,,

21 posted on 06/01/2010 5:32:14 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

RE: This guy spoke nothing of a conversion to Jesus Christ

“Get behind me Satan”


22 posted on 06/01/2010 5:52:36 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Iscool

RE: When the fella can say that Jesus is the Lord of his life, and that he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior, I’ll call him a Christian

Puff the magic formula lived in his heresy, hoping that his magic words would save his very soul.


23 posted on 06/01/2010 5:54:34 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Indeed. Truthful words not spoken.


24 posted on 06/01/2010 7:04:07 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Iscool

It’s a good thing he didn’t meet you then. He’d still be a Jew. :)

Some of us know how to welcome a brother into the faith, and offer encouragement to one another.


25 posted on 06/01/2010 7:05:23 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Iscool

Dear Brother: Your mistaken. We declare Christ came in the flesh( human) every sunday during mass. If he is Catholic you confess this weekly.1 John 4 requirement. Of course it does not mean anything if you do not have love which is also explained in John’s Letters. A personal allegiance:The Nicene Creed-——— We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge
the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he
is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic( universal church)
and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.


26 posted on 06/01/2010 7:42:18 PM PDT by johngrace (Where The Holy God dwelled for Nine Months -No sinful man entered! Praise Jesus & Hail Mary Indeed!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Puff the magic formula lived in his heresy, hoping that his magic words would save his very soul.

You err, not knowing the scriptures...
for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

It's not the magic words...It's the magic heart condition which automatically proceeds through the mouth...

Have you ever confessed publically that Jesus is your Lord and Savior???

27 posted on 06/01/2010 10:11:42 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: johngrace

Can you say ‘I’ instead of ‘we’???


28 posted on 06/01/2010 10:16:19 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: BenKenobi
It’s a good thing he didn’t meet you then. He’d still be a Jew. :)

That's possible...I would have led him to Jesus, not some religion...

Some of us know how to welcome a brother into the faith, and offer encouragement to one another.

But you mean your Catholic faith...

Jesus doesn't want you to lead someone to a religion...Jesus wants you to lead people to Him...Jesus will then put him/her into His church...

29 posted on 06/01/2010 10:21:20 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer

**More than a decade ago, Arkes realized that there was something special about the Catholic Church as a “truth-telling institution.” **

This is the one reason that I do not understand why Protestants here on FR don’t believe us when we speak the truth. It truly baffles me.


30 posted on 06/01/2010 10:21:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

**When the fella can say that Jesus is the Lord of his life, and that he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior, I’ll call him a Christian...And if you think that’s Satan talking,,, **

Good grief, what do you think converting to the Catholic Church is.

Converts do just what you said. Listen, accept Christ, act as Christians walking WITH the Lord.


31 posted on 06/01/2010 10:26:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

There’s no contradiction. This man is a Christian.

You’re the only one here who questions this man’s faith. You are putting down stumbling blocks.

If the man were to say that he found Christ through other denominations, I would be thrilled, because this man has been saved.

Is it to much for a professed Christian, as you yourself are to be happy that someone who was once lost was found?

Or do you not believe that Catholics are true Christians?


32 posted on 06/01/2010 10:29:35 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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33 posted on 06/01/2010 10:32:06 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Iscool

“Have you ever confessed publically that Jesus is your Lord and Savior???”

Yes, and I’m proud to call myself a Catholic.

Come out from 400 years ago and see the Church as she is, not the distortions and the lies of Luther and Calvin.

This is all I ask. She is the beautiful bride of Christ, unstained and pure.


34 posted on 06/01/2010 10:36:43 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Iscool
"You err, not knowing the scriptures..."

This is where so many Protestants just don't get it. They begin each and every discussion with the given that all accept the false premise of Sola Scriptura and attempt to build their arguments upon it. The Catholic rejection of Sola Scriptura makes those arguments vacuous at best.

35 posted on 06/01/2010 10:57:04 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Iscool
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2525787/posts

Depends on WHO is quoting sola Scripture and why.

36 posted on 06/01/2010 11:01:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Salvation
This is the one reason that I do not understand why Protestants here on FR don’t believe us when we speak the truth. It truly baffles me.

We do...It's when you don't speak the truth that we have trouble believing you...

37 posted on 06/01/2010 11:08:57 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Salvation
Good grief, what do you think converting to the Catholic Church is.

I think converting to the Catholic Church is, converting to the Catholic Church...

Converts do just what you said. Listen, accept Christ, act as Christians walking WITH the Lord.

I don't believe I ever heard a Catholic mention the name Jesus...I find that odd...

Accept Christ is so generic...Have you ask Jesus to be your Savior and the Lord of your life??? Or is that assumed to be automatic once you join your Church???

38 posted on 06/01/2010 11:13:46 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: BenKenobi
Or do you not believe that Catholics are true Christians?

Catholics are Catholics and Christians are Christians...They can be one in the same but I don't believe that to be true in most cases...

39 posted on 06/01/2010 11:15:41 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
"Catholics are Catholics and Christians are Christians...They can be one in the same but I don't believe that to be true in most cases... "

That just underscores how little you know of the Catholic Church. Unless yo have actually undertaken to study the Catholic Church with and from reputable sources your understanding of the Church will be either conjecture or lies.

40 posted on 06/01/2010 11:18:52 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: BenKenobi
Come out from 400 years ago and see the Church as she is, not the distortions and the lies of Luther and Calvin.

I have read some of Luther's and Calvin's stuff...I am neither a Lutheran nor a Calvinist...But I have read a LOT of Catholic stuff...

This is all I ask. She is the beautiful bride of Christ, unstained and pure.

I also read the scriptures...That's how I know that your religion is NOT the Bride of Christ...The actual Bride of Christ is people...People who make up the Body of Jesus Christ...Individual Christians...

In your eyes, are Catholics in your Parish unstained and pure??? I would guess you think they aren't...Well then, the Catholic Church isn't the people, priests or popes...It's not your Church Fathers...What then is your Church??? Is it the 'message'???

41 posted on 06/01/2010 11:25:50 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Natural Law
This is where so many Protestants just don't get it. They begin each and every discussion with the given that all accept the false premise of Sola Scriptura and attempt to build their arguments upon it. The Catholic rejection of Sola Scriptura makes those arguments vacuous at best.

Well of course we get it...People aren't non Catholics because of ignorance...Quite the contrary...

I claim I am a Christian of the Scriptures...You claim you are a Christian of what you call religious Traditions and philosophy outside of the Scriptures mixed with the book of allegories, the bible...Mormons, JWs, Izlamaniacs have the same philosophy...

Your religion says, 'join your Church'...My scriptures say, 'call on the name of Jesus'...

I don't believe you and you don't believe me...One of us is trusting the words of Jesus in the scriptures...One of us is trusting the words of a religion...I'm counting on what was revealed in the scriptures 'alone' to get me to heaven just as John says...

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Based on John's statement and tons of other scripture, I put my trust and authority in the written worlds of God; alone...

42 posted on 06/01/2010 11:44:14 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Natural Law
That just underscores how little you know of the Catholic Church. Unless yo have actually undertaken to study the Catholic Church with and from reputable sources your understanding of the Church will be either conjecture or lies.

You mean Catholic apologists, of course...I have a greater authority...The written words of a Holy God...The scriptures condemn your religion...Your apologists defend your religion...I'll stick with the scriptures...

43 posted on 06/01/2010 11:50:04 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: big'ol_freeper; Iscool

please, try to remember John 17. Love one another, as a witness to the Lord.


44 posted on 06/02/2010 12:29:05 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIA)
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To: Iscool

That’s a good question.

If you read Ephesians 5, you’ll find your answer.

The Bride of Christ is his Church. It’s right there.


45 posted on 06/02/2010 12:36:20 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Iscool

“I claim I am a Christian of the Scriptures...”

Yes, you claim this. However, this is not so. Scripture does not claim to be the only authority. Scripture itself writes that tradition is also necessary.

The Church teaches, if you care to read, that Scripture and Tradition are both essential. You cannot rightly understand the one without the other.

It does not claim, as you assert that scripture is worthless, or that tradition is superior. Tradition and Scripture, Scripture and tradition together.

“Your religion says, ‘join your Church’...My scriptures say, ‘call on the name of Jesus’...”

What is the difference? Christ himself formed the Catholic church. He wants Christians to be together with one another, not as individuals.

“I don’t believe you and you don’t believe me...One of us is trusting the words of Jesus in the scriptures”

No, we both do, except one of us is wrong in what it says. You are very wrong in saying that scripture asserts sola scriptura. It does not. Scripture actually says that the tradition of the church has been handed down from the Apostles to the catechumens, the new believers, and these new believers have a duty to do the same.

“Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

And Timothy says we are to pass the traditions we have learned to one another.

“Based on John’s statement and tons of other scripture, I put my trust and authority in the written worlds of God; alone...”

Where does John include the word, alone? It’s not there. You’ve interpolated it into the text as Luther has.


46 posted on 06/02/2010 12:43:15 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: BenKenobi
And Timothy says we are to pass the traditions we have learned to one another.

In which case, traditions would have nothing to do with our salvation...Because John said everything to do with our salvation had been written...Traditions would be such as shaking hands with the brethern as they gather...

But more to a scriptural reference, the traditions were the scriptures before they were written...

Timothy said tradition OR scripture...How could one OR the other be authorative unless they are the same...How can you pick one, or the other unless they are the same???

47 posted on 06/02/2010 12:52:33 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: BenKenobi
Where does John include the word, alone? It’s not there. You’ve interpolated it into the text as Luther has.

Not at all...Show me how you would rewrite the sentence to include tradition without adding to what John wrote...

48 posted on 06/02/2010 12:54:47 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Yes Thats The Apostles creed- I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven
and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our
Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius
Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He
descended to the dead. On the third day He rose again.
He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of
God, the Father Almighty. From thence He shall come
to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy
Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church(universal church), the communion of
saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the
body, and the life everlasting.
Amen.


49 posted on 06/02/2010 2:49:27 AM PDT by johngrace (Where The Holy God dwelled for Nine Months -No sinful man entered! Praise Jesus & Hail Mary Indeed!)
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To: BenKenobi

Don’t bother arguing with this person. Gone are the days of civilized, reasoned argument; FR is full of snake-handlers, Roundheads, and Rapture jockeys now, and you might as well try debating with a bag full of sponges. Just leave him to the Holy Spirit and let him get back to his self-centered home-brew religion.


50 posted on 06/02/2010 4:40:40 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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