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To: Natural Law
This is where so many Protestants just don't get it. They begin each and every discussion with the given that all accept the false premise of Sola Scriptura and attempt to build their arguments upon it. The Catholic rejection of Sola Scriptura makes those arguments vacuous at best.

Well of course we get it...People aren't non Catholics because of ignorance...Quite the contrary...

I claim I am a Christian of the Scriptures...You claim you are a Christian of what you call religious Traditions and philosophy outside of the Scriptures mixed with the book of allegories, the bible...Mormons, JWs, Izlamaniacs have the same philosophy...

Your religion says, 'join your Church'...My scriptures say, 'call on the name of Jesus'...

I don't believe you and you don't believe me...One of us is trusting the words of Jesus in the scriptures...One of us is trusting the words of a religion...I'm counting on what was revealed in the scriptures 'alone' to get me to heaven just as John says...

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Based on John's statement and tons of other scripture, I put my trust and authority in the written worlds of God; alone...

42 posted on 06/01/2010 11:44:14 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

“I claim I am a Christian of the Scriptures...”

Yes, you claim this. However, this is not so. Scripture does not claim to be the only authority. Scripture itself writes that tradition is also necessary.

The Church teaches, if you care to read, that Scripture and Tradition are both essential. You cannot rightly understand the one without the other.

It does not claim, as you assert that scripture is worthless, or that tradition is superior. Tradition and Scripture, Scripture and tradition together.

“Your religion says, ‘join your Church’...My scriptures say, ‘call on the name of Jesus’...”

What is the difference? Christ himself formed the Catholic church. He wants Christians to be together with one another, not as individuals.

“I don’t believe you and you don’t believe me...One of us is trusting the words of Jesus in the scriptures”

No, we both do, except one of us is wrong in what it says. You are very wrong in saying that scripture asserts sola scriptura. It does not. Scripture actually says that the tradition of the church has been handed down from the Apostles to the catechumens, the new believers, and these new believers have a duty to do the same.

“Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

And Timothy says we are to pass the traditions we have learned to one another.

“Based on John’s statement and tons of other scripture, I put my trust and authority in the written worlds of God; alone...”

Where does John include the word, alone? It’s not there. You’ve interpolated it into the text as Luther has.


46 posted on 06/02/2010 12:43:15 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Iscool
"Your religion says, 'join your Church'..."

That is simply and completely false, but it does illustrate an annoying and damning facet of Protestantism. Protestants are often very quick to declare what the Catholic Church does or does not without ever having actually bothered to study the teachings of the Church.

Instead they cling to the false premise that Christianity is a religion of a book and not of the living Word of God. They would have us believe and accept that the Holy Spirit no longer moves and works among us; It's works having been completed when Scripture was completed (except for that brief time in the 16th century when the all inclusive scripture was redacted).

A sect based upon a document is what one would expect from the vain and ambitious lawyers who created much of Protestantism. It is their realm, one that can be manipulated, twisted, and argued. It is one in which they, not God, can declare their fellow man in breach of and impart earthly punishments.

You would do yourself better by sticking to declarations on what you do and don't believe and stop trying to guess or parrot what you think Catholics do and don't believe because it really doesn't matter a tinker's damn to any of us.

52 posted on 06/02/2010 5:30:28 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Iscool

Iscool:

I am grateful that you trust the Sacred Scriptures which the Catholic Church, which as Christ’s Body and Bride, defended and defined via the Holy Spirit in the 4th century.

Thus, everytime you quote the Sacred Scriptures, you are relying on the authority of the Catholic Church and its formal definition of the Biblical Canon in the 4th century councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393), Carthage (397) and culimating with Pope Innoncent’s Letter to the Bishops of France in 405 confirming throughout the Latin Catholic West the decisions of the Councils mentioned earlier.


53 posted on 06/02/2010 6:40:36 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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