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Jesus Christ was baptized and “sealed” to Mary Magdelene (Mormon - Open)
Further Light And Knowledge ^ | June 1, 2010 | Helen Radkey

Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut

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To: Pan_Yans Wife

“What the Mormons have done is nothing short of blasphemous.”

Hold the phone. If you think that Mormons and our beliefs are just goofy nonsense, then why do you care what we do? In other words, if you do not believe that “sealings” are real, then what does it matter to you?

Please leave us alone to practice our faith and we will do the same for you. Thanks.


101 posted on 06/02/2010 3:18:02 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: colorcountry

Be sure to have your tinfoil hat on so you can receive the message ;)


102 posted on 06/02/2010 3:18:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (AZ Gov. Brewer to Obambi..."Bring on the lawsuit. I'm ready!")
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To: Saundra Duffy
Oh the irony.

This is exactly what I have been talking about....

SD, it is your OWN faiths “prophets” and leaders saying this.

If you really wanted to stop hearing “heinous” things (and worse) about Jesus Christ and disassociate yourself from such things you would run from Mormonism as fast as you can.

That you don't...

Well...

103 posted on 06/02/2010 3:19:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: lady lawyer

If it was not someone stupid, it was someone malicious attempting to cause trouble for the Church.
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Someone on the inside with pull doesnt like the mormons ???

Who ???

Monson ??? No its his gravy train...

Dallin H Oakes ??? No its his bully pulpit...

a digrunted member who doesnt want the mormon corporation to waste his 10% tithe building malls when he cant feed his own children ???

So who was it ???

Its no secret...

to the mormons anyway...


104 posted on 06/02/2010 3:19:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

It is heinous that the Savior may have had more than one wife, but not that Joseph Smith or Brigham Young did?

Seriously Saundra, I wonder how you could ever believe the stuff of Mormonism.


105 posted on 06/02/2010 3:19:23 PM PDT by colorcountry ("Showing mercy to the wolves is showing cruelty to the sheep." - Unknown)
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To: Saundra Duffy; reaganaut

“Jesus was a polygamist according to some of their leaders.”
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Yes the mormons do say that He was...


106 posted on 06/02/2010 3:20:24 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

Oh, by the way, Helen Radkey is some weirdo new-age freak and most certainly obsessed with trying to discredit The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

You are in bed with a strange one, reaganaut.


107 posted on 06/02/2010 3:21:38 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
There is one problem with that.

The LDS stole Christ from Christianity and malign his name and mission.

We are not talking about some “other faith” like Jews or Muslims that practice their wholly own unique faith, but an impostor cult that has co-opted and corrupted the most significant part of a real faith and is trying to pass itself off as a "better" version of the very faith it stole from.

So no, the LDS will not be left alone until it gives back what is not theirs.

108 posted on 06/02/2010 3:23:30 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Saundra Duffy; reaganaut

Reaganaut: “Jesus was a polygamist according to some of their leaders.”

Sandy: Would you please stop saying heinous things about my savior. Thank you.
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Oh so the guy that said that is your savior ???

Yes that was a heinous thing that the mormons say about Jesus...

Does your bishop know you think that ???

mormons are suppose to “sustain” all the mormon doctriness


109 posted on 06/02/2010 3:23:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

Are these words by Mormon Apostles heinous? WAKE UP, SANDY!!!!

“How was it with Mary and Martha, and other women that followed him [Jesus]? In old times, and it is common in this day, the women, even as Sarah, called their husbands Lord; the word Lord is tantamount to husband in some languages, master, lord, husband, are about synonymous... When Mary of old came to the sepulchre on the first day of the week, instead of finding Jesus she saw two angels in white, ‘And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou?’ She said unto them,’ Because they have taken away my Lord,’ or husband, ‘and I know not where they have laid him.’ And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.’ Is there not here manifested the affections of a wife. These words speak the kindred ties and sympathies that are common to that relation of husband and wife” (Journal of Discourses 2:81).

“Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified” (Journal of Discourses 2:82).

“I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children” (Journal of Discourses 2:210).

Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt agreed with his contemporary when he wrote,

“One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus — such as Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them, and associated with them much; and when He arose from the dead, instead of showing Himself to His chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them — namely, Mary Magdalene. Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were His wives” (The Seer, p.159).

On page 172 of the same book, Pratt wrote,

“We have now clearly shown that God, the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born... We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings’ daughters and many honorable Wives to be married.”

On July 22, 1883, Wilford Woodruff recorded the words of Joseph F. Smith in his journal. At the time Woodruff was an LDS apostle while Smith was a member of the First Presidency serving as second counselor to President John Taylor. Woodruff wrote,

“Evening Meeting. Prayer By E Stephenson. Joseph F Smith spoke One hour & 25 M. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He thought Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than Merely A Believer which looks Consistet. He did not think that Jesus who decended throug Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married.” (Wilford Woodruff’s Journal 8:187, July 22, 1883, spelling left intact).

To my knowledge there is no evidence to indicate that Woodruff disagreed with Smith’s comments. Woodruff and Smith later became Mormonism’s fourth and sixth presidents.


110 posted on 06/02/2010 3:24:00 PM PDT by colorcountry ("Showing mercy to the wolves is showing cruelty to the sheep." - Unknown)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

“What the Mormons have done is nothing short of blasphemous.”
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Yes it is...

But then the mormons have always been anti-Christianity...


111 posted on 06/02/2010 3:25:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

The level of delusion needed to stay a mormon once one gets sucked in and learns what it really teaches is breathtaking.


112 posted on 06/02/2010 3:25:15 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Because I am a Christian anything that anyone does that harms the truth of the gospel affects me. It grieves my heart. It clashes with my belief that God calls us to defend His truth. It harms my brothers and sisters in Christ. And it offends me.

I will not simply leave Mormons alone to commit blasphemy and turn a blind eye to it. I will call a falsehood a falsehood whenever I see one. Jesus would expect nothing different from me.

I’m not going to be silenced, Saundra.


113 posted on 06/02/2010 3:25:32 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Oh, by the way, Helen Radkey is some weirdo new-age freak and most certainly obsessed with trying to discredit The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Oh, by the way, mormonism is some weirdo new-age cult most certainly obsessed with trying to discredit The Church of Jesus Christ.

There! Fixed it for ya.

114 posted on 06/02/2010 3:25:55 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (AZ Gov. Brewer to Obambi..."Bring on the lawsuit. I'm ready!")
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To: Saundra Duffy
So the LDS runs for cover under and align with Atheist all the time here but you question Radkey?

Fair enough, but the next question should be, is she wrong?

115 posted on 06/02/2010 3:26:50 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Please leave us alone to practice our faith ________________________________________________________

Just dont include the Jesus of Christianity in your foul unBiblical religion of mormonism...


116 posted on 06/02/2010 3:27:11 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

Please leave us alone to practice our faith and we will do the same for you.
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Kid the mormons have not left Christians alone to “practice our faith” since Joey Smith first invented mormonism because the Smith family were ex-communicated from the Presbyterian Church in Palmyra NY on 29 March 1830...

When are the mormons going to leave Christians alonje ???


117 posted on 06/02/2010 3:30:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

Please leave us alone to practice our faith and we will do the same for you.
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Kid the mormons are the ones who send 50,000 aggressive salesmen to the Christians doors...

Is this about to stop ???

CRICKETS...

I’ll get the coffee...


118 posted on 06/02/2010 3:32:13 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy; All

“Jesus was a polygamist according to some of their leaders.” [me]

Would you please stop saying heinous things about my Savior. Thank you. [ Sandy]

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I agree it is a hineous thing to say about Jesus (that he was a polygamist) but it wasn’t MY leaders that said it, it was YOURS (LDS), so maybe you should take it up with SLC, because it was still common belief in LDS circles (both church and BYU) in the 1990’s:

# Jedediah M. Grant - Jesus and his disciples were persecuted for being polygamists Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346 (1853)

# Orson Hyde - Jesus is understood to be married. Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 80 (1854)

# Orson Hyde - Jesus was the bridegroom at Cana of Galilee, and lived to see his own children. Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82 (1854)
# Orson Hyde - “It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction , it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.” Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259 (1857)

# Joseph F. Smith - Plural marriage is not some sort of superfluity or non-essential to the salvation or exaltation of mankind. Marriage to only one woman is only partial compliance to the law of exaltation. Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, p. 28 (1878)

Orson Pratt - Jesus a polygamist, God the Father had a plurality of wives. “We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time.” The Seer, p. 172 (1853)

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http://www.i4m.com/think/bible/mormon-jesus-married.htm

“We have now clearly shown that God, the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born… We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings’ daughters and many honorable Wives to be married.” The Seer, p. 172, Orson Pratt

When Joseph Fielding Smith was asked if this meant that Christ had children, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, “Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!” (Letter to J. Ricks Smith, dated March 17, 1963)

“It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.” Journal of Discourses 4:259, Orson Hyde

“There are those in this audience who are descendants of the Lord’s Twelve Apostles-and, shall I say it, yes, descendants of the Savior himself. His seed is represented in the body of these men.”
- First Presidency Memeber and Apostle George Q. Cannon, Solemn Assembly in the Salt Lake Temple, July 2, 1899, Meeting Notes Utah State Historical Society, p. 376.

“Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, the ‘grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was because He had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed Him.’ After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. . . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were ‘Mormons.’”
- The Apostle Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young in the First Presidency, Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346

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“The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do not know who they were, unless His wives and children.”
- The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, p.309

“Sunday I Attended the Sabbath School Conference …. Joseph F. Smith spoke one hour & 25 minutes. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He taught Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than merely a believer which looks consister. He did not think that Jesus who decended through Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married.”
- The Prophet Wilford Woodruff wrote in his journal on July 22, 1883

“I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children. All that I have to say in reply to that charge is this–they worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfil the commands of his Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough ‘to fulfil all righteousness;’ not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more righteous and important law ‘to multiply and replenish the earth.’ Startle not at this! for even the Father himself honored that law by coming down to Mary, without a natural body, and begetting a son; and if Jesus begat children, he only ‘did that which he had seen his Father do.’”
- The Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 210

“Heber taught, as did a few other Mormons of his day, that Christ was married—indeed that Christ was married to both Mary and Martha and that the famous wedding of Cana was in reality Christ’s own wedding. In his own mind Heber was not only a follower of Christ, but a literal descendant. In his last public sermon, two months before his death, he said, “You do not know who Heber C. Kimball is, or you would do better.”If one can accept the possibility of Christ’s marriage, then such a descent is possible.”
- Biography of Apostle Heber C. Kimball, p. 275

“We are not informed at what time Jesus was to be married to this kin’s daughter or to any of the rest of His wives. But from what John the Baptist says, He may have been married to some of them previous to that prophets martyrdom: The passage is as follows; ‘He that hath the Bride is the Bridegroom: but the friend of the Bridegroom, which standeth and heareth Him, rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease.’ (John 3: 29, 30.) And again, ‘Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the Bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the Bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.’ (Mathew 9: 15.) John represents Jesus as already in the possession of the Bride; while the Saviour confirms what John says, by calling Himself ‘the Bridegroom,’ and the disciples ‘the children of the Bridechamber,’ but who the Bride was neither of them informs us. Whether Jesus had married any of His wives at that time or not, it is very evident that there will be a marriage of the Son of God at the time of His second coming: for Jesus said, ‘The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.’”
-The Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Vol.1, No.11, p. 169-p.


119 posted on 06/02/2010 3:33:19 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana
If they would just drop Jesus all would be good.

Promote Joe Smith. Most of the material in the LDS is already set up in that direction any ways.

And if he was a good Mormon, and he should be if anyone was, certainly he is a god by now.

So really it would be a lateral transfer...

120 posted on 06/02/2010 3:33:30 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: reaganaut
Yeah, but all that is not “official” they were just “apostles” and “prophets”...
121 posted on 06/02/2010 3:34:55 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Saundra Duffy; reaganaut

You are in bed with a strange one, reaganaut.
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Thats suggestive and indecent...


122 posted on 06/02/2010 3:35:20 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; lady lawyer
I wonder who the mormons married John the Baptist too when they dead dunked him ???

Good point. How can the baptizer do any baptising before he was baptised?

How could JTB be baptized if he didn't marry and leave ancestors who could do the deed 2000 years later?

And why is "baptize" spelled with a "z" sometimes and an "s" others?

123 posted on 06/02/2010 3:35:26 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: T Minus Four
It's that Mormon temporal mechanics thing...
124 posted on 06/02/2010 3:36:19 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Saundra Duffy; Pan_Yans Wife; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Tennessee Nana; ...

Hold the phone. If you think that Mormons and our beliefs are just goofy nonsense, then why do you care what we do? In other words, if you do not believe that “sealings” are real, then what does it matter to you?

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Because it is BLASPHEMY and we, as Christians, are going to defend the love of our lives (Christ).

And we want to see you out of that cult that is going to drag you to hell.


125 posted on 06/02/2010 3:36:39 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Saundra Duffy

Oh, by the way, Helen Radkey is some weirdo new-age freak and most certainly obsessed with trying to discredit The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

You are in bed with a strange one, reaganaut.

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I am not ‘in bed’ with her. I don’t even know her personally. Although I do appreciate the fact that she exposes these things.

Mormonism is a damnable heresy.


126 posted on 06/02/2010 3:38:26 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four; reaganaut

Why is Jesus’ birthdate listed as before 1502, Bethlehem, Israel? Couldn’t they at least have listed his date at birth a little closer to the estimated historical date?

Why did they use 1502? Are they that intellectually lazy?


127 posted on 06/02/2010 3:39:13 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: metmom

The level of delusion needed to stay a mormon once one gets sucked in and learns what it really teaches is breathtaking.

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Agreed. That is probably why I was a member less than 10 years. Once I started to get the ‘meat’ doctrines and temple rituals, then things unraveled quickly.


128 posted on 06/02/2010 3:39:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; Tennessee Nana

Why did they use 1502? Are they that intellectually lazy?

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I don’t know. It has been almost 20 years since I’ve done genealogy. It is possible that 1502 is the earliest the computer program will allow for.


129 posted on 06/02/2010 3:42:52 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Saundra Duffy

Its not goofy its damning and blasphemous.


130 posted on 06/02/2010 3:43:02 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: T Minus Four

How can the baptizer do any baptising before he was baptised?
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I saw that earlier today in another thread I think...

Where was that ???

there was a source etc...


131 posted on 06/02/2010 3:43:35 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; Saundra Duffy

I’m not going to be silenced, Saundra.

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Nor I.

2 Corinthians 11:12-13

And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.


132 posted on 06/02/2010 3:44:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

It is possible that 1502 is the earliest the computer program will allow for.
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Oh o

There is a problemn Houston ...

LOL


133 posted on 06/02/2010 3:44:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ejonesie22
If they would just drop Jesus all would be good. Promote Joe Smith. Most of the material in the LDS is already set up in that direction any ways.

And if he was a good Mormon, and he should be if anyone was, certainly he is a god by now.

So really it would be a lateral transfer...

That is a heckuva suggestion...I think it ought to be sent right up to the headquarters in SLC!

134 posted on 06/02/2010 3:47:10 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (AZ Gov. Brewer to Obambi..."Bring on the lawsuit. I'm ready!")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; Saundra Duffy; reaganaut

I’m not going to be silenced, Saundra.

— - - -
Nor I.

2 Corinthians 11:12-13

And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
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Me too...


135 posted on 06/02/2010 3:47:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw

WOW


136 posted on 06/02/2010 3:50:42 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Saundra Duffy; Pan_Yans Wife; reaganaut
Hold the phone. If you think that Mormons and our beliefs are just goofy nonsense, then why do you care what we do? In other words, if you do not believe that “sealings” are real, then what does it matter to you?

Please leave us alone to practice our faith and we will do the same for you.

But you (2nd person pl) aren't leaving others alone to practice THEIR faith so you(2nd person pl) aren't doing the same for us.

However, if you're serious, have the LDS recall all your missionaries and tell them to stop banging on people's doors spreading their lies. Until then, people are going to warn others to alert them to the nonsense that Mormonism teaches.

137 posted on 06/02/2010 3:51:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Preach it sister....

Amen!


138 posted on 06/02/2010 3:53:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

;)


139 posted on 06/02/2010 3:55:20 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young, said: "The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based on POLYGAMY,…A BELIEF IN THE DOCTRINE OF A PLURALITY OF WIVES CAUSED THE PERSECUTION OF JESUS, and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons" (Mormon - Journal Of Discourses, Vol. 1, pg. 345-346)

The Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde made these statements: "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana at Galilee:...no less a person than JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED on that occasion. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pg. 259-260)

"I will venture to say that if Jesus Christ were now to pass through the most pious countries in Christendom with a TRAIN OF WOMEN, such as used to follow him he would be mobbed, tarred, and feathered, and rode not on an ***, but on a rail. . . (Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde - Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pg. 259-260)

On another occasion Brigham Young (2nd Pres. of the Mormon Church) stated: "The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN: . . ."(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, (Mormon - Journal of Discourses Vol. 2. page 210)

THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS [Jesus] WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. (Mormon - Journal of Discourses Vol. 2. page 210)

before mankind learn all the particulars of Christ's incarnation how and by whom he was begotten; the character of the relationships formed by that act; the NUMBER OF WIVES AND CHILDREN HE HAD. . . . " (Mormon - Millennial Star Vol. 15. page 825)

We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit THEIR Wives IN ETERNITY as well as in time; . . . " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)

The Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt stated: ". . .it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST " (The Seer. page 172)

[Jesus] by MARRYING MANY honorable WIVES himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the PLURALITY OF WIVES under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His Polygamist ancestors lived. " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)

"We have now clearly shown that GOD THE FATHER HAD A PLURALITY OF WIVES, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His first Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus " (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)

140 posted on 06/02/2010 3:56:51 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: colorcountry

Is “the Seer” considered official LDS doctrine? I can’t find a reference to it as such....magritte


141 posted on 06/02/2010 4:01:46 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: svcw

[Jesus] by MARRYING MANY honorable WIVES himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the PLURALITY OF WIVES under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His Polygamist ancestors lived. “ (Mormon Apostle Pratt The Seer. page 172)
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Mary Magdalena was a prostitute...


142 posted on 06/02/2010 4:03:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: flaglady47

You Mormon bashers are sick puppies. Can’t help yourselves, can you.
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What did Joseph say about us?

Sick is lying on God and Jesus! Sorry if the truth is hard for you to hear.

Let me ask you two questions: If the BOM is the most correct book on earth and man will get nearer to God by abiding by it’s precepts than any other book.

1. Which BOM is the most correct book, the 1830 ed. or the 1985 ed. they’re different!

2. Why is there no Mormon doctrine in the BOM, a book that claims get you closer to God than any other book? For example: eternal progression, God being a man, Jesus and Satan being brothers, There is only one God, God is spirit and Celestial marriage. I could go on but you get my point.


143 posted on 06/02/2010 4:03:40 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Christian Conservative Black Man!)
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To: bgill

I wonder if these people have considered the very real possibility that one or more of their ancestors was illegitimate. That would throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing. ;0)


144 posted on 06/02/2010 4:06:31 PM PDT by seemoAR
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To: seemoAR

I probably have lots of ancestors are illegitimate, so?


145 posted on 06/02/2010 4:10:04 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Tennessee Nana
As we know facts do not matter.
I am waiting for the obligatory “yea well that's not doctrine”.
146 posted on 06/02/2010 4:11:24 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: svcw
So, If a person is illegitimate, the whole linage thing will be wrong. The person listed as father isn’t the actual father.
147 posted on 06/02/2010 4:14:32 PM PDT by seemoAR
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To: lady lawyer

If it was not someone stupid, it was someone malicious attempting to cause trouble for the Church

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Um...that is nigh near impossible anymore with the new temple recommends (with barcodes and magnetic strip). The ordinances were DONE. Doesn’t anyone bother to check?


148 posted on 06/02/2010 4:15:46 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Mr. K; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; FastCoyote; ...

A bucnh of holy rollers make up some mumbo jumbo and we are all supposed to be upset about it?

Read your bible, do good things, help others, accept God into your heart...

Helping these people to understand the idiocy of this would fall under the category of helping others. Other than that- at least they are not blowing up non-believers to make their point

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Ummm...the LDS are not ‘holy rollers’. The LDS temple rituals are actually a ripoff of Masonic rites.

Furthermore: Read your bible, do good things, help others, accept God into your heart..doesn’t get you saved. Acceptance of Christ alone as Savior and His sacrifice on the cross is what gets you saved. Bible reading, good works etc, follow AFTER salvation. The LDS does not teach that, they teach that works, plus temple rites are required for real salvation (not just resurrection). FWIW, I used to be Mormon and have been a Christian for over 15 years now.

And helping the LDS understand the idiocy of their religion, and how it is damning them doesn’t fall under helping others, it falls under witnessing and that is what us ‘flying inmans’ do here on the RF.


149 posted on 06/02/2010 4:20:25 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: seemoAR
A father can be listed as father even if the parents aren't married.
Some cultures keep records of lineage and legitimacy which has to do with inheritance nothing else.
150 posted on 06/02/2010 4:21:46 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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