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Josh Powell leaving Mormonism
ABC4.com (Salt Lake City) ^ | June 2, 2010 | Brent Hunsaker

Posted on 06/03/2010 9:57:51 AM PDT by Colofornian

Josh Powell is apparently shopping around for a new church. On the website Susanpowell.org, which is widely believed to be written by Josh and his father, Steven Powell, there was this paragraph:

“Finding trustworthy spiritual support is more critical now than ever, since according to the media, members of the Mormon community had been pressuring Susan to divorce Josh on the basis of his beliefs. Josh and his family have recently enjoyed the fellowship of religious communities that share his and Susan's pro-family values. They have been investigating Christianity as an alternative to Mormonism. Vibrant faith communities in the local area have been very supportive and have been helping Josh and his family through the turmoil.” (Emphasis added)

But Kiirsi Hellewell, a close friend of Susan Cox Powell and a member of the same LDS Ward in West Valley, disputes the claim of a conspiracy to split up Josh and Susan. She said, “Everyone was extremely supportive. Everyone was very friendly to Josh. After Susan disappeared, everyone gave him the benefit of the doubt, helped him move, and invited him over for dinner. We did everything we could to help him.”

Friends of Susan cannot believe that Josh could abandon his faith over something the “media” might have said. It is equally unbelievable to the family of Susan Cox Powell.

Tuesday evening, the family issued this statement through a spokeswoman:

“Susan would be heartbroken. He is making decisions that are contrary to her wishes. She was the one who took the lead in matters of faith. We see this as another attempt by Josh to close the door on Susan and forget all about her.”

Hellewell was even more blunt, “Every decision he’s made since she disappeared has been against what she would want.”

This weekend marks 6 months since Susan Cox Powell disappeared from her home in West Valley City, Utah. Josh Powell remains the only person of interest in the ongoing police investigation.


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From the report: This weekend marks 6 months since Susan Cox Powell disappeared from her home in West Valley City, Utah. Josh Powell remains the only person of interest in the ongoing police investigation.

From the report: ...according to the media, members of the Mormon community had been pressuring Susan to divorce Josh on the basis of his beliefs. Josh and his family have recently enjoyed the fellowship of religious communities that share his and Susan's pro-family values. They have been investigating Christianity as an alternative to Mormonism.

1 posted on 06/03/2010 9:57:51 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Christianity as an alternative to Mormonism?

How can that be? I thought they were one and the same or at least similar or on par?

/S


2 posted on 06/03/2010 10:00:49 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Colofornian
Friends of Susan cannot believe that Josh could abandon his faith over something the “media” might have said. It is equally unbelievable to the family of Susan Cox Powell.

Tuesday evening, the family issued this statement through a spokeswoman:

“Susan would be heartbroken. He is making decisions that are contrary to her wishes. She was the one who took the lead in matters of faith. We see this as another attempt by Josh to close the door on Susan and forget all about her.”

Big mistake there in several areas.

Thank God he's seeing the light.

3 posted on 06/03/2010 10:13:37 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Vendome
You are on to something . It is like an alcoholic getting off booze by substituting marijuana and meth .
4 posted on 06/03/2010 10:14:06 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: metmom
Thank God he's seeing the light.

Actually seeing the light would entail admitting what he did.

5 posted on 06/03/2010 10:18:02 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Colofornian
I find that this people group of lds clammier for divorce so easily. What about their PR sanctity of the family?
6 posted on 06/03/2010 10:18:41 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: wideawake

What did he do with his wife ?


7 posted on 06/03/2010 10:19:50 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: wideawake

What did he do with his wife ?


8 posted on 06/03/2010 10:21:00 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Colofornian

wow big news, the man who is the only person of interest in the disappearance of his wife is changing churches. /s


9 posted on 06/03/2010 10:21:12 AM PDT by skyman
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To: Vendome
Christianity as an alternative to Mormonism? How can that be? I thought they were one and the same or at least similar or on par? /S

Ah, excellent point. Here, this report says: Friends of Susan cannot believe that Josh could abandon his faith over something the “media” might have said.

Yet Lds & Lds FReepers tells all the time, "we're of the same Christian faith as you." So which is it? Are Mormons who abandon Mormonism and opt for Christianity "apostates" who "abandon their faith" -- or are they of the same faith cloth?

While we might agree with Powell's family that this would indeed be an "abandoment of the faith"...how is it Mormons are able to speak so freely out of both sides of their mouth?

On the one hand, they say if somebody abandons the Mormon church, they are an "apostate." But then with the other side of their mouth they claim, "we're Christian, too."

Which is it?
(Lds, it's a "multiple choice" Q...choose one for consistency purposes)

10 posted on 06/03/2010 10:22:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw

I find that this people group of lds clammier for divorce so easily. What about their PR sanctity of the family?

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“families are forever” only when everyone is doing what the Mormon church tells them to.

If one family member leaves the LDS church (especially for Christianity) ‘families are forever’ goes right out the window.

Siblings and parents disown you, church leaders tell your spouse to divorce you (in favor of someone worthy), kids don’t talk to you.

It isn’t ALWAYS the case, but often.

I still think this clown is guilty and I fear that this isn’t sincere but a way of gaining sympathy for him.


11 posted on 06/03/2010 10:23:05 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: skyman
(That's why it's in the religion section...not news)
12 posted on 06/03/2010 10:23:07 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: BlueMoose
What did he do with his wife ?

Briefly, his story is that the timing of his wife's disappearance exactly coincided with his spur-of-the-moment decision to leave his house at 2 a.m. on a Monday morning in subzero temperatures to go camping in the wilderness with his toddler-age children.

His failure to show up at work or at home the next day, and his failure to call or contact anyone was due to him innocently losing track of time.

13 posted on 06/03/2010 10:26:35 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Colofornian

“They have been investigating Christianity as an alternative to Mormonism”

That’s like saying I’m investigating spaghetti as an alternative to Italian food.


14 posted on 06/03/2010 10:27:15 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Colofornian

Christianity is the REAL alternative to Mormonism! It will be a great day when he accept the REAL Jesus, not the Mormon idea of Jesus.


15 posted on 06/03/2010 10:30:26 AM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: reaganaut

“Siblings and parents disown you, church leaders tell your spouse to divorce you (in favor of someone worthy), kids don’t talk to you.

It isn’t ALWAYS the case, but often.”

Total baloney. You should be ashamed of yourself.


16 posted on 06/03/2010 10:31:29 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
That’s like saying I’m investigating spaghetti as an alternative to Italian food.

So if they abandon an Italian restaurant that bills itself as the "one and only true Italian restaurant on the face of the earth" (your parallel as applied to Mormon Doctrine & Covenants 1:30), they wouldn't be an "apostate" to true Italian restaurant food, after all? That would just be a religious myth made up wholesale by that Italian restaurant Inc?

They really could get true Italian restaurant food apart from that restaurant chain? And that Italian restaurant "bible" of how to run a restaurant chain...it just flat out lied in its D&C 1:30 equivalency passage? Which means the restaurant founder was a false Italian restaurant "prophet" -- all because he wanted to just market his own chain?

17 posted on 06/03/2010 10:33:26 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Is this some kind of divorce ?
18 posted on 06/03/2010 10:34:18 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Paragon Defender

Not bologna at all Paragon. It happens in real life all the time. I am an example of the shunning that takes place when you leave Mormonism. I stand outside and apart from my family of birth.

I can even find a couple of articles here on FreeRepublic where I was publicly demeaned simply for leaving the religion.


19 posted on 06/03/2010 10:37:08 AM PDT by colorcountry ("Showing mercy to the wolves is showing cruelty to the sheep." - Unknown)
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To: Paragon Defender
“They have been investigating Christianity Scientology as an alternative to Mormonism”

That’s like saying I’m investigating spaghetti as an alternative to Italian food.

Now that makes more sense.

20 posted on 06/03/2010 10:41:55 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Paragon Defender; Colofornian; colorcountry; SZonian; SENTINEL; greyfoxx39

Total baloney. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Not in the least.

I have at least 6 ex-mo friends who have had their parents and/or siblings disown them. Shawn McCraney has mentioned that their Bishop told his wife to divorce him because He left. I know 3 people who spouses divorced them because they left, and 3 others who were separated because one of them left. It happens all the time.

Here are a bunch of stories similar to what I have seen:

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon302.htm


21 posted on 06/03/2010 10:43:02 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Paragon Defender; reaganaut

That is my families experience.


22 posted on 06/03/2010 10:43:10 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Colofornian

This is the most creative approach to the “Are Mormons Christian?” question that crops up nearly weekly on Free Republic.


23 posted on 06/03/2010 10:47:45 AM PDT by dmz
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To: svcw
Yep.

What do Scientology, LDS and, for that matter, Islam have in common? They're all based on the word of one man. In each case, the one man in question was a total whack job.

24 posted on 06/03/2010 10:48:16 AM PDT by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: Gurn

As another freeper once posted “Scientology is a bar bet that got out of hand”.

Mormonism came about because Smith found a way to get more money than he did with treasure seeking.


25 posted on 06/03/2010 10:52:41 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: BlueMoose

What did he do with his wife ?

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I’d like to know that too.


26 posted on 06/03/2010 10:53:13 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Paragon Defender

That’s like saying I’m investigating spaghetti as an alternative to Italian food.

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No, it is like saying you are investigating spaghetti an an alternative to dog food.


27 posted on 06/03/2010 10:54:05 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Buddygirl

Christianity is the REAL alternative to Mormonism!

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AMEN!


28 posted on 06/03/2010 10:54:27 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: wideawake; BlueMoose
Briefly, his story is that the timing of his wife's disappearance exactly coincided with his spur-of-the-moment decision to leave his house at 2 a.m. on a Monday morning in subzero temperatures to go camping in the wilderness with his toddler-age children. His failure to show up at work or at home the next day, and his failure to call or contact anyone was due to him innocently losing track of time.

But he was Mormon. (And we all know how "nice" our Mormon neighbors are).

Now, perchance that his suspicious behavior on the day his wife disappeared had something to do with that disappearance, you don't think, wideawake, do you, that this change in religions has something to do with some Mormon realities...
...like how in Mormonism murder is an unforgiveable sin...
...and in Christianity it's not...???
...how in classical Mormonism you have to shed your own blood for your sins (blood atonement Gary Gilmore style)...
...but in Christianity you don't...????

29 posted on 06/03/2010 10:54:41 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Paragon Defender
A little over simplified, but still effective.

Keep up the good work...

30 posted on 06/03/2010 11:18:52 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: wideawake

Well, yeah, there is that...


31 posted on 06/03/2010 11:42:46 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Colofornian
The difference is stark.

In the Mary Winkler case, her husband's congregation all knew that she had killed him and they immediately forgave her and embraced her.

32 posted on 06/03/2010 11:55:33 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Colofornian
They have been investigating Christianity as an alternative to Mormonism.

Why?

Don't they BELIEVE the words of JOSEPH SMITH and the Rest of the suspects?


 
 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 

33 posted on 06/03/2010 12:17:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Paragon Defender
That’s like saying I’m investigating spaghetti as an alternative to Italian food.

No; it's more like,"I'm now eating gourmet stuff since I found out the other was garbage."

34 posted on 06/03/2010 12:19:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Paragon Defender
Total baloney.

Oh?

Do you have any PROOF of YOUR accusation?

35 posted on 06/03/2010 12:20:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Colofornian
 
...how in classical Mormonism you have to shed your own blood for your sins (blood atonement Gary Gilmore style)...


Mormon scripture alert

 
 

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 138
 
A vision, given to President Joseph F. Smith in Salt Lake City, Utah, on October 3, 1918. In his opening address at the eighty-ninth Semiannual General Conference of the Church, on October 4, 1918, President Smith declared that he had received several divine communications during the previous months. One of these, concerning the Savior’s visit to the spirits of the dead while his body was in the tomb, he had received the previous day. It was written immediately following the close of the conference; on October 31, 1918, it was submitted to the counselors in the First Presidency, the Council of the Twelve, and the Patriarch, and it was unanimously accepted by them.
 
1–10, President Joseph F. Smith ponders upon the writings of Peter and our Lord’s visit to the spirit world; 11–24, He sees the righteous dead assembled in paradise and Christ’s ministry among them; 25–37, How the preaching of the gospel was organized among the spirits; 38–52, President Smith sees Adam, Eve, and many of the holy prophets in the spirit world who considered their spirit state before their resurrection as a bondage; 53–60, The righteous dead of this day continue their labors in the world of spirits.
 


 1 On the third of October, in the year nineteen hundred and eighteen, I sat in my room pondering over the scriptures;
 2 And reflecting upon the great atoning sacrifice that was made by the Son of God, for the redemption of the world;
 3 And the great and wonderful love made manifest by the Father and the Son in the coming of the Redeemer into the world;
 4 That through his atonement, and by obedience to the principles of the gospel, mankind might be saved.
 5 While I was thus engaged, my mind reverted to the writings of the apostle Peter, to the primitive saints scattered abroad throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, and other parts of Asia, where the gospel had  been preached after the crucifixion of the Lord.  
 6 I opened the Bible and read the third and fourth chapters of the first epistle of Peter, and as I read I was greatly impressed, more than I had ever been before, with the following passages:
 7 “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
 8 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
 9 “Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:18—20.)
10 “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
11 As I pondered over these things which are written, the eyes of my understanding were opened, and the Spirit of the Lord rested upon me, and I saw the hosts of the dead, both small and great.
12 And there were gathered together in one place an innumerable company of the spirits of the just, who had been faithful in the testimony of Jesus while they lived in mortality;
13 And who had offered sacrifice in the similitude of the great sacrifice of the Son of God, and had suffered tribulation in their Redeemer’s name.
14 All these had departed the mortal life, firm in the hope of a glorious resurrection, through the grace of God the Father and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
15 I beheld that they were filled with joy and gladness, and were rejoicing together because the day of their deliverance was at hand.
16 They were assembled awaiting the advent of the Son of God into the spirit world, to declare their redemption from the bands of death.
17 Their sleeping dust was to be restored unto its perfect frame, bone to his bone, and the sinews and the flesh upon them, the spirit and the body to be united never again to be divided, that they might receive a fulness of joy.
18 While this vast multitude waited and conversed, rejoicing in the hour of their deliverance from the chains of death, the Son of God appeared, declaring liberty to the captives who had been faithful;
19 And there he preached to them the everlasting gospel, the doctrine of the resurrection and the redemption of mankind from the fall, and from individual sins on conditions of repentance.
20 But unto the wicked he did not go, and among the ungodly and the unrepentant who had defiled themselves while in the flesh, his voice was not raised;
21 Neither did the rebellious who rejected the testimonies and the warnings of the ancient behold his presence, nor look upon his face.
22 Where these were, darkness reigned, but among the righteous there was peace;
23 And the saints rejoiced in their redemption, and bowed the knee and acknowledged the Son of God as their Redeemer and Deliverer from death and the chains of hell.
24 Their countenances shone, and the radiance from the presence of the Lord rested upon them, and they sang praises unto his holy name.
25 I marveled, for I understood that the Savior spent about three years in his ministry among the Jews and those of the house of Israel, endeavoring to teach them the everlasting gospel and call them unto repentance;
26 And yet, notwithstanding his mighty works, and miracles, and proclamation of the truth, in great power and authority, there were but few who hearkened to his voice, and rejoiced in his presence, and received salvation at his hands.
27 But his ministry among those who were dead was limited to the brief time intervening between the crucifixion and his resurrection;
28 And I wondered at the words of Peter—wherein he said that the Son of God preached unto the spirits in prison, who sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah—and how it was possible for him to preach to those spirits and perform the necessary labor among them in so short a time.
29 And as I wondered, my eyes were opened, and my understanding quickened, and I perceived that the Lord went not in person among the wicked and the disobedient who had rejected the truth, to teach them;
30 But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31 And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto all who would repent of their sins and receive the gospel.
32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets.
33 These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands,
34 And all other principles of the gospel that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
35 And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross.
36 Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh;
37 That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words.
38 Among the great and mighty ones who were assembled in this vast congregation of the righteous were Father Adam, the Ancient of Days and father of all,
39 And our glorious Mother Eve, with many of her faithful daughters who had lived through the ages and worshiped the true and living God.
40 Abel, the first martyr, was there, and his brother Seth, one of the mighty ones, who was in the express image of his father, Adam.
41 Noah, who gave warning of the flood; Shem, the great high priest; Abraham, the father of the faithful; Isaac, Jacob, and Moses, the great law-giver of Israel;
42 And Isaiah, who declared by prophecy that the Redeemer was anointed to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that were bound, were also there.
43 Moreover, Ezekiel, who was shown in vision the great valley of dry bones, which were to be clothed upon with flesh, to come forth again in the resurrection of the dead, living souls;
44 Daniel, who foresaw and foretold the establishment of the kingdom of God in the latter days, never again to be destroyed nor given to other people;
45 Elias, who was with Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration;
46 And Malachi, the prophet who testified of the coming of Elijah—of whom also Moroni spake to the Prophet Joseph Smith, declaring that he should come before the ushering in of the great and dreadful day of the Lord—were also there.
47 The Prophet Elijah was to plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to their fathers,
48 Foreshadowing the great work to be done in the temples of the Lord in the dispensation of the fulness of times, for the redemption of the dead, and the sealing of the children to their parents, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse and utterly wasted at his coming.
49 All these and many more, even the prophets who dwelt among the Nephites and testified of the coming of the Son of God, mingled in the vast assembly and waited for their deliverance,
50 For the dead had looked upon the long absence of their spirits from their bodies as a bondage.
51 These the Lord taught, and gave them power to come forth, after his resurrection from the dead, to enter into his Father’s kingdom, there to be crowned with immortality and eternal life,
52 And continue thenceforth their labor as had been promised by the Lord, and be partakers of all blessings which were held in reserve for them that love him.
53 The Prophet Joseph Smith, and my father, Hyrum Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and other choice spirits who were reserved to come forth in the fulness of times to take part in laying the foundations of the great latter-day work,
54 Including the building of the temples and the performance of ordinances therein for the redemption of the dead, were also in the spirit world.
55 I observed that they were also among the noble and great ones who were chosen in the beginning to be rulers in the Church of God.
56 Even before they were born, they, with many others, received their first lessons in the world of spirits and were prepared to come forth in the due time of the Lord to labor in his vineyard for the salvation of the souls of men.
57 I beheld that the faithful elders of this dispensation, when they depart from mortal life, continue their labors in the preaching of the gospel of repentance and redemption, through the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son of God, among those who are in darkness and under the bondage of sin in the great world of the spirits of the dead.
58 The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God,
59 And after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation.
60 Thus was the vision of the redemption of the dead revealed to me, and I bear record, and I know that this record is true, through the blessing of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, even so. Amen.  

36 posted on 06/03/2010 12:24:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Colofornian

“That’s like saying I’m investigating spaghetti as an alternative to Italian food.
So if they abandon an Italian restaurant that bills itself as the “one and only true Italian restaurant on the face of the earth” (your parallel as applied to Mormon Doctrine & Covenants 1:30), they wouldn’t be an “apostate” to true Italian restaurant food, after all? That would just be a religious myth made up wholesale by that Italian restaurant Inc?

They really could get true Italian restaurant food apart from that restaurant chain? And that Italian restaurant “bible” of how to run a restaurant chain...it just flat out lied in its D&C 1:30 equivalency passage? Which means the restaurant founder was a false Italian restaurant “prophet” — all because he wanted to just market his own chain?”

The LDS church would be the one and only restaurant serving the entire Italian food menu available today. You may choose to patronize a restaurant that only serves spaghetti or pizza etc.


37 posted on 06/03/2010 12:27:35 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: colorcountry

“Not bologna at all Paragon. It happens in real life all the time. I am an example of the shunning that takes place when you leave Mormonism. I stand outside and apart from my family of birth.

I can even find a couple of articles here on FreeRepublic where I was publicly demeaned simply for leaving the religion.”

Hardly does that make it “often”, the norm or even frequent. It would actually be the sad exception. Not the rule.


38 posted on 06/03/2010 12:29:50 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
Good...

Keep it up and certainly don't post anything that can be disproven easily....

You are making a fine Inman...

39 posted on 06/03/2010 12:33:49 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Paragon Defender
Hardly does that make it “often”, the norm or even frequent. It would actually be the sad exception. Not the rule.

I'm adding my experience to the whole, that is how we determine how often things happen or do not happen. How would YOU know how often the shunning happens....HMMMM?

40 posted on 06/03/2010 12:34:08 PM PDT by colorcountry ("Showing mercy to the wolves is showing cruelty to the sheep." - Unknown)
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To: Paragon Defender

HEY!

When are you going to show us all the LIES!!??

Otherwise, when will you issue an apology for disparaging honest people?


41 posted on 06/03/2010 12:35:38 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: colorcountry; Paragon Defender
Good, good, good...

Keep feeding PD straight lines to work that “have no evidence but will make the charge anyways” bit. It is great...

PD is really good at it.

42 posted on 06/03/2010 12:38:42 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: SZonian

(shhhhh... he is working for our side...)


43 posted on 06/03/2010 12:39:36 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: colorcountry

PD’s comment is very similar to one that would be made by a mormon member who knows firsthand having been a participant,who wouldn’t have the guts to go against the sect for fear the shunning might happen to her/him.


44 posted on 06/03/2010 12:39:45 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (AZ Gov. Brewer to Obambi..."Bring on the lawsuit. I'm ready!")
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To: ejonesie22

Ooops! Sorry, I didn’t get the “memo”.


45 posted on 06/03/2010 12:42:04 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian
Otherwise, when will you issue an apology for disparaging honest people?

Which PEOPLE are those?

The UNNAMED ones?

Good luck!

46 posted on 06/03/2010 1:44:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Colofornian

Good points.

I pray Josh really does find Christ (and stop looking for religion), then he will be much more likely to tell the truth about what he knows about his wife’s disappearance.


47 posted on 06/03/2010 2:07:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Paragon Defender

The LDS church would be the one and only restaurant serving the dog food today.


48 posted on 06/03/2010 2:13:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Paragon Defender; colorcountry; SZonian

Hardly does that make it “often”, the norm or even frequent. It would actually be the sad exception. Not the rule.

— - - - -
How would you know? Are you privy to the lives of ALL apostates?

Stories abound from many sources (not all apostates are here on FR) including the one I posted above. From my personal experience, experience of my friends and acquaintances, and stories posted online, in books, news articles, and on TV, it seems to happen more often than not.


49 posted on 06/03/2010 2:17:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: SZonian; Paragon Defender

[To PD] When are you going to show us all the LIES!!??

- - — -
When ‘outer darkness’ gets heaters.


50 posted on 06/03/2010 2:18:19 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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