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Posted on 06/09/2010 7:23:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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1 posted on 06/09/2010 7:23:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
A constant Christian teaching was completely undone among Protestants in a mere thirty years. This brings up an unsettling choice...either the Holy Spirit was not guiding Christians before 1930 or Protestant Churches have been ignoring His guidance after 1960.

Ping.

2 posted on 06/09/2010 7:24:13 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
lol. A simple reading of the quotes above reveal that these men do not say what you wish them to say.

Rome's long-established habit is to declare as fact what is not in evidence.

3 posted on 06/09/2010 7:29:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

You are apparently on a one man quest this evening to convince the readers of FreeRepublic that contraception is evil.

Have you ever been a woman with a medical condition that meant pregnancy was very dangerous for you, yet you wanted to enjoy sex with your husband?

No, I didn’t think so.


4 posted on 06/09/2010 7:36:52 PM PDT by freemama
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
A simple reading of the quotes above reveal that these men do not say what you wish them to say.

If you see in the above quotations any defense of the unChristian and anti-Scriptural practice known as contraception, then you can see literally anything at all in them.

"The Conference records with alarm the growing practice of the artificial restriction of the family and earnestly calls upon all Christian people to discountenance the use of all artificial means of restriction as demoralising to character and hostile to national welfare."

Are we to take this as an endorsement of contraception?

To call this a condemnation of contraception is a misrepresentation?

Really?

5 posted on 06/09/2010 7:37:17 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: freemama

Begone troll.


6 posted on 06/09/2010 7:41:13 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: BenKenobi

How about you answer her question first?


7 posted on 06/09/2010 7:42:10 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: BenKenobi

This article has already been posted. So please continue to post it so that people can read the message.


8 posted on 06/09/2010 7:42:23 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: freemama
Have you ever been a woman with a medical condition that meant pregnancy was very dangerous for you, yet you wanted to enjoy sex with your husband?

What is the reasoning behind this statement?

Are we to understand that risking one's life to give another life is somehow not a Christian way of thinking?

Are we to understand that enjoying sexual pleasure is more important than doing what God wants?

Sometimes life requires us to choose between doing what we feel like doing and doing what is right. In fact, this is a constant fact of life.

9 posted on 06/09/2010 7:44:20 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: randomhero97

This man isn’t on a ‘one man crusade’.

Two, if you have a medical condition which precludes pregnancy, then don’t get married, or have sex during the times which you aren’t fertile, and maintain this throughout your marriage.

Those are your two options.


10 posted on 06/09/2010 7:46:33 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Is having sex with your already-pregnant wife "non-creative" sex?

I'm not trying to be provocative (I actually agree with the article) but asking an honest question.

11 posted on 06/09/2010 7:46:51 PM PDT by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: fwdude

No, same with having sex during your wife during her non-fertile periods.

Provided that the times when you do have sex are ‘open’ to children, that’s the only part that matters.


12 posted on 06/09/2010 7:49:15 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: BenKenobi
Those are your two options.

Why do you insist on prying into other people's lives? How is your life effected if a responsible, married couple decides to use preventative contraception?
13 posted on 06/09/2010 7:50:27 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97
How about you answer her question first?

The question is an interesting one.

It implies that one cannot have an opinion unless one is a woman for whom pregnancy is life-threatening.

Leaving aside the question of whether such incredibly rare cases should dictate everyone else's behavior, it is ridiculous to claim that the only people who can have an opinion on a matter are people who have lived an extremely rarified form of experience.

Not only is the question nonsensical, the presuppositions behind it are nonsensical.

14 posted on 06/09/2010 7:50:41 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: fwdude
Is having sex with your already-pregnant wife "non-creative" sex? I'm not trying to be provocative (I actually agree with the article) but asking an honest question.

Most likely it is, because we study God's creation by way of science, but that is left entirely up to God, our creator, in whom we are to put our trust.

One note, intercourse with one's wife who is pregnant when she is about due can induce labor naturally.

15 posted on 06/09/2010 7:51:07 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: freemama
a medical condition that meant pregnancy was very dangerous for you

Condoms have a real world failure rate of 7-15%. Other barrier methods are similar.

The pill (and all other hormonal contraceptives) is about 95 to 98% effective, but it is very dangerous, with risks including blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, and breast cancer. Plus it is abortifacient, so its not permissible for any Christian who takes their faith seriously.

So what options are available for committed Christians who need effective options, i.e., facing a medical condition that meant pregnancy was very dangerous for you?

Here's the only moral answer.

16 posted on 06/09/2010 7:52:43 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: fwdude

“Is having sex with your already-pregnant wife “non-creative” sex?”

As I understand it, any sex just for the fun of it (even in marriage) is a sin punishable by eternity in purgatory....or narnia or some other made up fairy tale land. The only sex that is allowable is sex for procreation, and even then, you better not enjoy it!

(sarc)


17 posted on 06/09/2010 7:55:59 PM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 17 days.)
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To: randomhero97
Why do you insist on prying into other people's lives?

No one is prying. He is making a moral argument, not conducting surveillance.

How is your life effected if a responsible, married couple decides to use preventative contraception?

One of the points at issue is what constitutes "responsible" in the first place, so you're begging the question.

A culture that encourages and reinforces an attitude that is hostile to life and hostile to God's will is no good for everyone.

The point is that this "responsible" couple is first and foremost hurting themselves.

18 posted on 06/09/2010 7:57:22 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Grunthor; fwdude
As I understand it, any sex just for the fun of it (even in marriage) is a sin

Sex is a very powerful and important thing.

Viewing it as simply a form of recreation is, first of all, denying reality. Secondly, it's not very smart.

19 posted on 06/09/2010 8:00:02 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: randomhero97

Question asked, question answered.

How is my life affected by contraception? I’d love to be able to find a faithful Catholic to marry. It would make a huge difference. If you use contraception you aren’t going to have kids, and that affects who I employ, who employs me, my classmates, friends, wife, everything.

My entire life is shaped by this contraceptive environment.


20 posted on 06/09/2010 8:01:48 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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