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To: annalex; Salvation

Well much like your post indicates, the church places far more importance on Mary than I do or will. To me, Mary was a person. A holy enough person to be the vessel for God on earth, but a person nonetheless.

I do not and will not accept Mary as virginal after having birthed Jesus.

I feel that Mary has at least as much if not more import placed on her than even our Saviour by some Catholics, and they do not even seem to understand that that is either what they are doing, or it is at least what they appear to be doing.

Mary never died for my sins. She was a human person that lived and died just like every other human person except One, who rose from death.

Until this morning I staunchly refused to believe that there was scriptural evidence of purgatory, (thanks Salvation). While scripture does not use the word, I at least now can see the argument for such. It is at least as clear as “rapture,” a word which also does not appear in the Bible.

I believe that the Bible is God-breathed, inerrant and whole. It is perfect and as it is perfect it is understandable w/o the need of any interpretation.

As far as historical memory goes, I flat out reject it if it is not backed up by scripture.

“There are also things that the Church teaches based on her authority to “bind and loose” (Mt. 16:19, 18:18). These are manner of worship, holy days, fasts, religious orders, obligations of lay faithful, etc.”

I have no problem with any of that.

When it comes to Protestantism my biggest problems lay with some of my fellow “charismatics.” Speaking in tongues as they think they are doing is ridiculous. They believe that they can lay on hands and heal the sick but I’ve never seen it happen successfully. I might not dress up in a suit for services but I wear the best I have while some of my fellows I’ve seen enter the sanctuary in shorts and muscle shirts. And hats....i’ve seen grown men wear HATS into God’s house.

I might be a Protestant but I’m not sure that I am a “charismatic” either. I think this journey is going to have be a long one. I am going to have to figure out what things I believe and which I can reject outright, then which things I am ambivalent on. Using those beliefs as references, then try to find out which Christian religion I best fit into.

Then again, I am an imperfect man with an imperfect mind so that plan is probably making Jesus laugh uproariously.

I hope that nothing I’ve written here angers or upsets anyone reading it as that was not my intent.


11 posted on 06/14/2010 7:00:57 AM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 12 days.)
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To: Grunthor

**Then again, I am an imperfect man with an imperfect mind so that plan is probably making Jesus laugh uproariously.**

Either Jesus is chuckling or shedding tears. I believe he sheds tears at a lot of people’s misconception, not necessarily yours.

One instant that I think the Lord and the Blessed Mother might shed tears together is at the instant of every abortion.


12 posted on 06/14/2010 7:33:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Grunthor

It is strange that you are prepared to completely ignore historical knowledge of the Church unless it is “backed by scripture”. The scripture was written to document the events surrounding the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the beginning of His Church. It was not written with the objective of giving us an encyclopedia of Christianity. The scripture itself says so. Are your equally sceptical of the historical knowledge that we have from pagan sources?

The scripture does not teach anything about Mary’s life after the Upper Room, although we do see her also in Heaven in Rev. 12. To think that she went on to the joys of marital life after she birthed her Savior is illogical though.

The Church does not teach that she is anything but a human being. The many find her friendship a way to worship her Son is just a natural expression of faith in the Gospel.


14 posted on 06/14/2010 5:10:14 PM PDT by annalex
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