Stephen Hawking is Wrong. Church is a Defender of Life, Science and the Person

http://www.catholic.or/national/national_story.php?id=36894 ^ | June 10,2010 | Deacon Keith Fournier

[stfassisi]

What is needed are well formed Catholics who can learn how to defend the truth presented by the Church to an age which has lost its common sense, reason and moral compass. We need to read what our Church teaches and be ready to contend for the culture.

[ken21]

hugh ross has great creation videos!

[stfassisi]

"Religion without reason, Pope Benedict XVI instructed us in his Regensburg address in 2006, leads to fanaticism. That much Hawking seems to understand. What he doesn't get is its contra: science without faith also leads to disaster-the genocidal regimes in Germany, the Soviet Union, China and Cambodia being Exhibits A, B, C and D."

[stfassisi]

Corrected link to article..
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=36894&page=2

[anniegetyourgun]

Hawking is deluded & doesn’t realize that God wins...He created science.

[Zionist Conspirator]

So, you’re another one of those “conservative” Catholics who have eviscerated the Bible because scientists don’t believe in miracles?

[John Leland 1789]

“Hawkings view of the insignificance of the human person is sad. His error concerning how the Church views the relationship between faith, science and reason is just plain wrong. It is one more example of the continual drumbeat against the Catholic Church in an increasingly hostile culture.

“[Hawkins] posited his personal opinions that human life is “insignificant in the universe” and that there is an adversarial relationship between science and religion. He told Sawyer “There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, [and] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works.”

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Alright, what does the author know that he failed document or quote? Or what did I fail to see?

I can’t find any reference Hawkins made to the Catholic Church.

Although Hawkins is wrong, how do his words translate into “one more example of the continual drumbeat against the Catholic Church . . .” ???

Did Hawkins ever refer specifically to the Catholic Church in the interview?

[stfassisi]

So, you’re another one of those “conservative” Catholics who have eviscerated the Bible because scientists don’t believe in miracles?

What on earth are you talking about,dear friend!I receive Christ in the Eucharist practically every day and the Eucharist is a miracle

How have you been ,dear friend? I have not heard for some time .I don't post too much these days and spend more time in prayer

[Leo Carpathian]

he must have meant Jones “Church” riiiight?

[stfassisi]

Hawkings has said all sorts of things against the Church for some time now. Look harder,I’m sure you find them.

[Zionist Conspirator]

What on earth are you talking about,dear friend!I receive Christ in the Eucharist practically every day and the Eucharist is a miracle

Then why are the first eleven chapters of Genesis "mythology?"

[John Leland 1789]

“Hawkings has said all sorts of things against the Church for some time now. Look harder,I’m sure you find them.”

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In the posted article? Or do I now have to become a researcher into Steven Hawkins’ background.

Where IN THE ARTICLE did he say anything speciifically about the Catholic Church?

The interview he gave was with Dianne Sawyer, NOT with a Catholic newspaper.

[John Leland 1789]

Who is “Jones,” and what is “Jones Church?”

Hawkins is an idiot. But since this interview was not with a Catholic paper, he could have been talking about Daoism for all anyone knows.

[terycarl]

Then why are the first eleven chapters of Genesis “mythology

they aren’t, but then again, they are not a historical record of what happened.....did God create the universe in 6 of our days, probably not, in six of His days, maybe so....there is little if any comparison.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Then why are the first eleven chapters of Genesis “mythology

they aren’t, but then again, they are not a historical record of what happened.....did God create the universe in 6 of our days, probably not, in six of His days, maybe so....there is little if any comparison.

You've just disposed of Chapter 1, but what about Chapters 2-11? Are Cain and Abel mere "religious symbols?" Was Noach's Flood adapted from Enuma Elish? Were all the people mentioned in those chapters mythological or fictional characters?

When I talk about evolutionism I mean a whole lot more than "how long were the six days?"

[The Theophilus]

hugh ross has great creation videos!

Hugh Ross is not a Creationist.

OEC is not Creationism. Creationism is belief in the literal six days. OEC is one foot in the world, one foot in the Truth aka "the double minded man", and comes in several flavors of heresy: Day-Age, Progressive, and Gap. In each case, they reject the clear teaching of Scripture, mock God's Glory and deconstruct the Doctines of Redemption by trivializing Sin.

He doesn't believe Genesis 1-11, Nor does he believe the Ten Commandments, particularly Exodus 20:7.

He is a likeable fellow, persuasive, and might very well have entertaining videos, yet he is horribly wrong and is steering people into a path of unwarranted compromise and doctrinal error.

[ken21]

yes.

[battousai]

So, you’re another one of those “conservative” Catholics who have eviscerated the Bible because scientists don’t believe in miracles?

The more we learn about the universe (or this universe) the more impressive is God's work, the fact that we are here IS a miracle how so many things had to fall in place just right for life to even be possible.

And of course as sfassi wrote, we Catholics witness a miracle at each and every mass, to be in the prescence of the living God Jesus.

[Zionist Conspirator]

The more we learn about the universe (or this universe) the more impressive is God's work, the fact that we are here IS a miracle how so many things had to fall in place just right for life to even be possible.

And of course as sfassi wrote, we Catholics witness a miracle at each and every mass, to be in the prescence of the living God Jesus.

Then why do you Catholics consider the first eleven chapters of Genesis to be mythology?

[battousai]

Then why do you Catholics consider the first eleven chapters of Genesis to be mythology?

Certainly not mythology, but also not the literal explanation of what happened. Certainly God created the universe(s) and created man, and we are learning just how amazing the methods he used to do so are.

If you wish to truly learn our stance on aspects of Genesis and not just pass judgment, there is plenty to read which clears up our position:

Adam
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01129a.htm

The flood
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04702a.htm

Creation
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04470a.htm