Posted on 06/16/2010 3:07:43 AM PDT by markomalley
“If our Lord Jesus was around today,” says the youngest British prime minister in the last 200 years, “he would very much be backing a strong agenda on equality and equal rights, and not judging people on their sexuality.” Thus does David Cameron justify his support of civil partnerships for gays, an unusual position for a Tory.
Cameron has done the creative service of rendering Christianity’s founder politically correct just in time for his new administration. The task of projecting the teachings of Christ concerning sexual behavior into the 21st century clearly required certain changes. Consider these updates to some key texts:
Christ to the woman caught in adultery: “Neither do I condemn you; go, and lobby against those who do.” (Jn 8:11)
Christ on what makes a person unclean: “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man, except in the context of a stable relationship.” (Mt 7:20-23)
St. Paul on following Christ: “But fornication and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. Be wise as serpents, therefore, and call all sexual attraction marriage.” (Eph 5:3)
St. Paul on the law: “Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted. Thus the principles of the law, being fundamentally discriminatory, require frequent change.” (1 Tim 1:8-12)
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IDIOT!
No, He wouldn’t.
“Go forth and sin no more.”
Leftists think that love and sex are exactly the same. They can’t even comprehend a form of human affection that isn’t someway related to orgasms.
David Cameron is probably as familiar with Scripture as Al Gore - the Bible as a political prop.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. - Leviticus 20:13
He is. That's not a small point of semantics, either.
“he would very much be backing a strong agenda on equality and equal rights, and not judging people on their sexuality.”
Please provide Biblical proof of your assertions, Mr. Cameron. He obviously hasn't read the Gospels in quite a while, b/c, by modern leftist standards, Jesus was VERY judgmental in those books.
Then Cameron has fashioned a new god that meets his low standards. That’s called idolatry.
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Sick and tired on these modern day assholes speaking for Jesus. Most of them only know Jesus when it suits their own personal agendas.
If they actually read and studied the Bible they could not make asinine statements like this..
I wouldn’t trust the King James version of the bible, it is badly mistranslated. Consider how the commandment ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ is more accurately translated from the original Ancient Hebrew as ‘Thou Shalt Not Murder’.
As many of the books of the Bible no longer exist in the original languages in which they were written, and the earliest we have are Greek translations of the no longer existing original text. In most instances what you have in the English translations in many cases is chinese whispers.
Most Christian doctrines are descended from the interpretation of the Bible according to St Augustine, but Origen, writing some 200 years before, seems to have a very different interpretation of what the Bible says based on what one can only assume is either the original text or a first generation translation of the original text. Frankly, I put more faith in Origen’s writings than those of St Augustine, who by his own admission was not fluent in Greek and hated the language, resulting in a very flawed translation.
And that was just him translating it into Latin, those responsible for translating it into early modern English compounded the errors even further. Basically, King James’ interpretation of the Bible is far too flawed to take seriously...
Christianity’s doctrines were not solely established on the teachings of either Origen or Augustine, but also included the Eastern Fathers who all spoke Greek natively (or Syriac, Coptic, etc). They kinda get forgotten.
And if I remember right, the King James is based on the Vulgate, which was translated by Jerome, not Augustine. Jerome had some knowledge of Hebrew and contact with Jewish scholars, so it wasn’t quite the “chinese whispers” scenario that you laid out.
This is true.
As many of the books of the Bible no longer exist in the original languages in which they were written, and the earliest we have are Greek translations of the no longer existing original text. In most instances what you have in the English translations in many cases is chinese whispers. Most Christian doctrines are descended from the interpretation of the Bible according to St Augustine, but Origen, writing some 200 years before, seems to have a very different interpretation of what the Bible says based on what one can only assume is either the original text or a first generation translation of the original text. Frankly, I put more faith in Origen’s writings than those of St Augustine, who by his own admission was not fluent in Greek and hated the language, resulting in a very flawed translation. And that was just him translating it into Latin, those responsible for translating it into early modern English compounded the errors even further. Basically, King James’ interpretation of the Bible is far too flawed to take seriously...
And this is garbage. Every kosher Sefer Torah in every ark in every Orthodox synagogue in the world is a reproduction (transcribed by hand according to very exacting rules) of the scroll dictated to Moses. And by the way, Leviticus here says the exact same thing in Hebrew as in English.
Of course, I'm not sure why any chr*stian would invoke Leviticus, seeing as they believe it was "done away with."
You wouldn't happen to have a pro-homosexual agenda, would you?
You are right about Jerome, but he was a contemporary of Augustine and they regularly corresponded and influenced each other, so the point still stands that he was writing later than Origen and was more heavily reliant on translations. I can kind of understand why the muslims forbade the translation of their holy book, because you always lose part of the original meaning when something is translated because words and phrases in other languages don’t always translate exactly into their foreign equivilents...
You may well be right. It was the use of the KJ Bible as scriptual justification for anything that caused me to make the comment...
Sola scriptura doesn't work at all, regardless of the translation--or even if it is not a translation. Unfortunately, since America is traditionally a Protestant country, people get their rules and regulations from an unexplicated English translation of the Bible.
One poster invoked Leviticus, which makes absolutely no sense for chr*stians, since chr*stians insist that the Torah has been "done away with." But that's less hypocritical than declaring it defunct and then replacing it with another one, which is what the liturgical churches do.
At any rate, we have the Halakhah and we have poseqim. That is the authoritative source and, take my word for it, male homosexuality is a universal capital offense.
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