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Execution By Firing Squad Will Be First In 14 Years [Mormon - Open]
NPR ^ | June 17, 2010 | Jenny Brundin

Posted on 06/17/2010 6:28:06 PM PDT by Colofornian

Utah death-row inmate Ronnie Lee Gardner is set to be executed by a firing squad on Friday. Thirty-five states allow the death penalty, but death by firing squad remains an option only in Utah.

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Every detail of April 2, 1985, is burned into her memory. Gardner was in court on a murder charge when he tried to escape. An accomplice slipped him a gun, and he shot and killed an attorney and also severely wounded George "Nick" Kirk, who was a bailiff. Kirk didn't die, but VelDean Kirk says he wasn't the same active, cheerful man anymore. She says his final years were marked by excruciating pain and depression from a sedentary life.

His daughter, Tami Stewart, feels sorry for Gardner, but she can't forgive him. She imagines him in the death chamber. "He's going to feel that fear that he put into every one of those men. He's done. We've given him more than enough," Stewart says.

Gardner did get one choice: how he would die. In court, after being told he'd exhausted his appeals, the 49-year-old made his preference known.

"I would like the firing squad, please," he told the court...

...Utah's last firing-squad execution 14 years ago attracted more than 150 news crews from across the globe. They were interested in one thing: the method of execution.

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Utah historian Will Bagley says the reason this method of execution exists is rooted in Utah's history as a Mormon sanctuary. "I think we need to be honest about it. We have the last firing squads in the country as a legacy of Mormon theology," Bagley says.

Some early Mormon leaders believed in blood atonement for the most egregious sins. "To atone for those, Jesus' blood didn't count. You had to shed your own blood," Bagley says.

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From the article: Utah historian Will Bagley says the reason this method of execution exists is rooted in Utah's history as a Mormon sanctuary. "I think we need to be honest about it. We have the last firing squads in the country as a legacy of Mormon theology," Bagley says. Some early Mormon leaders believed in blood atonement for the most egregious sins. "To atone for those, Jesus' blood didn't count. You had to shed your own blood," Bagley says.

Lds "prophet" Brigham Young consistently and repeatedly taught "blood atonement" -- where Mormons treated Jesus' blood as rather "anemic" to applying to serious sins...

Lds say they don't teach it today; but that's different than saying Young was "wrong" or a "false prophet" to teach it.

1 posted on 06/17/2010 6:28:06 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Is there anything that happens in our country that you don’t try and blame on a Mormon. lol.


2 posted on 06/17/2010 6:29:48 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Colofornian

So often we hear “we don’t believe that anymore!” but Ronnie Gardner seems to believe it and I knew of other inmates in Utah who believed it as well.


3 posted on 06/17/2010 6:33:20 PM PDT by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: Colofornian

To quote Gary Gilmore “Let’s do it”..


4 posted on 06/17/2010 6:33:21 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Colofornian

Some early Mormon leaders believed in blood atonement for the most egregious sins. “To atone for those, Jesus’ blood didn’t count. You had to shed your own blood,” Bagley says.

Lds “prophet” Brigham Young consistently and repeatedly taught “blood atonement” — where Mormons treated Jesus’ blood as rather “anemic” to applying to serious sins...
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How blasphemeous

Mormonism is not Christianity


5 posted on 06/17/2010 6:36:08 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Ignore him.

He is a fool, a troll or a bigot.... and probably at least two out of the three.

Everyone is on to his game.


6 posted on 06/17/2010 6:36:36 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Prezdet Obama is what you get when you let the O.J. jury select a president !)
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To: Colofornian

Does the person making this post believe in the death penalty?


7 posted on 06/17/2010 6:37:49 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I doubt it. What kind of life to dredge up a plethora of anti-Mormon stories each day so you can post them to an Internet forum?


8 posted on 06/17/2010 6:38:46 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: MindBender26; Colofornian

More like none of the above...which is more than I can say for you, Geraldo.


9 posted on 06/17/2010 6:38:55 PM PDT by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: thecabal

What kind of life to dredge up a plethora of anti-Mormon stories each day so you can post them to an Internet forum?

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What kind of life when you don’t care about anyone’s soul but yours, if that?


10 posted on 06/17/2010 6:40:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: truth_seeker
Does the person making this post believe in the death penalty?

Yes I do.

I don't believe that shedding your blood, though, atones [reconciles you to God] for your sin.

The concept of atonement by Jesus Christ is 100% fine. Atonement as an English word was developed by English reformer William Tyndale in the 1500s. It came from putting together three words - at - one - ment -- being at one/reconciled.

Having your blood shed for murder doesn't reconcile you to anyone.

11 posted on 06/17/2010 6:42:17 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Other than this being Utah, what does LDS have to do with executing this POS. So they let him have a firing squad. I’m OK with that, but this idea of a painless death does not account for the pain and suffering of the victim(s) of this POS.

He surrendered his humanity in the commission of a capital crime,


12 posted on 06/17/2010 6:42:59 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: GSP.FAN
To quote Gary Gilmore “Let’s do it”..

Midnight tonight.

And the article says 150 media outlets there to cover it live.

13 posted on 06/17/2010 6:43:33 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Colofornian

So is it that you are against the death penalty, or just that it is taking place in Utah?


15 posted on 06/17/2010 6:45:56 PM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 10 days.)
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To: Ouderkirk
Other than this being Utah, what does LDS have to do with executing this POS.

Did you read the article? Excerpt:

Thirty-five states allow the death penalty, but death by firing squad remains an option only in Utah... Utah historian Will Bagley says the reason this method of execution exists is rooted in Utah's history as a Mormon sanctuary. "I think we need to be honest about it. We have the last firing squads in the country as a legacy of Mormon theology," Bagley says.

The article also says the reason for the intensified media interest in this is the method of death.

16 posted on 06/17/2010 6:46:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Grunthor
So is it that you are against the death penalty, or just that it is taking place in Utah?

Neither.

My post #11 covers an answer.

17 posted on 06/17/2010 6:47:21 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Colofornian

“Yes I do.”

Good. You agree with the Utah civil law.

Mormonism has nothing to do with this execution.


18 posted on 06/17/2010 6:48:07 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Colofornian

Why care what the reason for the manner of death is? So long as the sentence is carried out, why would you care?


19 posted on 06/17/2010 6:48:43 PM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 10 days.)
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To: Colofornian

So what does this have to do with the execution? Nothing ; just an excuse to blast a persons faith.


20 posted on 06/17/2010 6:51:49 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Tennessee Nana

I attend the First Church & Holy Ghost Discount House of Worship just outside Del Rio, Texas. Would you give us or the Muslims a pass on the Christianity debate?


21 posted on 06/17/2010 6:52:45 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 59)
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To: BlueMoose

Lawmakers, upset by the media circus, voted to eliminate the firing squad as an option. But the law they passed has a grandfather clause for the five death-row inmates who chose the firing squad before the ban.


22 posted on 06/17/2010 6:54:46 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: thecabal

He doesn’t get much light in his mamma’s basement.


23 posted on 06/17/2010 6:56:25 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 59)
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To: Colofornian

Shooting violent criminals is a GOOD thing. Utah should do a lot more of it, and the other 49 states and the District of Columbia should get on the bandwagon too.


24 posted on 06/17/2010 6:56:49 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: MindBender26; Colofornian; mrreaganaut

ROFLMAO!! Funny and impossible, considering we are different sexes (Colo is a man and I am a woman).

And my husband wouldn’t approve.

So, tell me Geraldo, are you still looking for Al Capone’s treasure at Two Bunch Palms?


25 posted on 06/17/2010 6:57:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: Grunthor; Colofornian

So is it that you are against the death penalty, or just that it is taking place in Utah?

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Neither, just that Gardner choosing the firing squad is based upon Mormon theology and a denial that the Blood of Christ covers all sin.


26 posted on 06/17/2010 6:58:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: Colofornian

actually when that ladey was executed a few years ago for a murder that she had paricipated in when she was just a teenager...

While in prison she had been saved and was now a Christian

They gave her the injection I think..

She died and went to Heaven to be with God..

But the chances of this guy goiung to heaven to be with god are next to zero..

Being shot and executed and shedding your ownb blood in some pagan blood atonement ritual is not Christian or Biblical and is not going to do it for him...

He could bleed out and he would not be “atoned”

His own blood cannot save him...

Only the Blood that Jesus shed on the Cross when he died on the Cross to save us is the Blood that god will accept as a sacrifice for anyones sins...

The Blood of Jesus has the power to save everyone even a murderer...

The Blood of Jesus covers every sin...even murder...

Someone needs to tell that man that Jesus has already shed the necessary blood for his “atonem,ent” and that if he believes in Jesus and repents of his sin and calls on Jesus BEFORE he dies, he will be saved...

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


27 posted on 06/17/2010 6:58:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Gardner himself believes the firing squad is easier, with no chances for mistakes. Barring any last-minute appeals, a five-man team of executioners will take aim at Gardner just after midnight. Four of the rifles will be loaded; one will have blanks to keep anonymous the shooter who fires the bullet that kills Gardner. A black hood will be placed over Gardner’s head, and on the chest of his jumpsuit will be pinned a white cloth target.


28 posted on 06/17/2010 6:58:22 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Colofornian

150 media outlets covering it is disgusting..
Gary Gilmore chose the firing squad for blood atonement it is a mormon thing...
Myself i don’t care just kill em and let them talk to God..


29 posted on 06/17/2010 6:58:53 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Colofornian

Like I said, the media nitwit who wrote this article brought that issue up. Executing this POS in the “here and now” has nothing to do with LDS ideology past or present. It is a means available under current law. The condemned chose it. Bye, bye dirtbag.

Maybe the LDS believe(d) in blood atonement and all of that mishmash....I look at the execution as the meting out of punishment. It’s a little late, but better late than never.

I like firing squad, electric chair, hanging, gas chamber, All methods where the executee is aware of what is happening.

I don’t like Lethal Injection. Criminal executions should be painful, at least commensurate with the pain inflicted on the victim. But not gratuitous.


30 posted on 06/17/2010 6:59:35 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: reaganaut

Gardner is Godless. I doubt he has ever heard of the Mormon religion.


31 posted on 06/17/2010 7:00:59 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 59)
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To: 23 Everest; Colofornian

Why ???

This is the Religion Rorum

The post is about a non-Christian religious belief...

Why did you come in here if you did not want to discuss religion ???


32 posted on 06/17/2010 7:01:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: BlueMoose

So what does this have to do with the execution? Nothing ; just an excuse to blast a persons faith.

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It has a lot to do with the execution. The reason Utah still has the firing squad is because they (at least some) do not believe they can be forgive for murder unless their blood is shed.

It gets back to the LDS teaching (long standing) that the Blood of Christ is NOT sufficient.

Need quotes?


33 posted on 06/17/2010 7:01:24 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: reaganaut

Neither, just that Gardner choosing the firing squad is based upon Mormon theology and a denial that the Blood of Christ covers all sin.


I kind of look at it from a different angle, more of a “the deader the faster, the better” angle. Couldn’t really care less about the mormon tie-in.


34 posted on 06/17/2010 7:03:40 PM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 10 days.)
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To: 23 Everest

Not true, he grew up LDS and wanted to be re-baptized while in prison but they wouldn’t let him.

Blood atonement is his only option to get to heaven.


35 posted on 06/17/2010 7:03:48 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: 23 Everest

Gardner asked for the firing squad BECAUSE he has not only “heard of the Mormon religion”

He IS a mormon....

Thats why he has so much faith in the blood atonement way of salvation...

He thinks it will save his soul...

No Christian would want to be executed that way for THAT reason...


36 posted on 06/17/2010 7:04:35 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Grunthor
Why care what the reason for the manner of death is? So long as the sentence is carried out, why would you care?

Give me a break.

150 media outlets covering this thing live...and you want to know why a single poster of a thread cares?

Tell, you what: Why don't e-mail all 150 media outlets and ask them that Q.

37 posted on 06/17/2010 7:04:59 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Grunthor

Personally, I’m glad to see him gone. But there are reasons he chose the method he did and it does have to do with Mormonism.

BTW, I was private secretary for several year for his prison shrink.


38 posted on 06/17/2010 7:05:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: Colofornian
Execution by firing squads is allowable in Utah but also in Oklahoma and Idaho.

I think it's the prisoner's request.
39 posted on 06/17/2010 7:05:49 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Colofornian

Who cares what the method is...kill the freak.


40 posted on 06/17/2010 7:06:01 PM PDT by hal ogen ($10 (I think) amounts through the internet from all over the world.)
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To: Colofornian
Thirty-five states allow the death penalty, but death by firing squad remains an option only in Utah... Utah historian Will Bagley says the reason this method of execution exists is rooted in Utah's history as a Mormon sanctuary. “I think we need to be honest about it. We have the last firing squads in the country as a legacy of Mormon theology,” Bagley says
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I think Oklahoma has firing squads too!

41 posted on 06/17/2010 7:06:04 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 59)
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To: Colofornian

Hand everyone a shotgun and use Saboted slugs.

That will end him quickly and humanely.


42 posted on 06/17/2010 7:07:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: BIGLOOK; Colofornian

Execution by firing squads is allowable in Utah but also in Oklahoma and Idaho.

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Well, yes and no...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_firing_squad#Firing_squads_in_the_United_States

On April 1, 2009,[28] a bill to eliminate firing squad as a method of execution in Idaho was enacted, and took effect July 1, 2009. As of 2010, Oklahoma is the only other state in which execution by firing squad is legally available, though as a backup method only, in case both lethal injection — the state’s primary method of execution — and electrocution are regarded unconstitutional. [27]


43 posted on 06/17/2010 7:08:00 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: reaganaut
Are you serious? No

This dirt bag knows nothing of or cares about the LDS faith. on.

44 posted on 06/17/2010 7:08:19 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: 23 Everest

Only if the other methods are deemed unconstitutional.

See post #43


45 posted on 06/17/2010 7:08:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
We are arguing against your atheist beliefs. How is that not a discussion on religion?
46 posted on 06/17/2010 7:08:55 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 59)
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To: BlueMoose

This dirt bag knows nothing of or cares about the LDS faith.

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Not true, he grew up LDS and wanted to be re-baptized but SLC leadership would not grant it (which is normal result for felons).

I typed up the notes from his convo with his shrink.


47 posted on 06/17/2010 7:10:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (The LDS church doesn't PRAY FOR the weak, they PREY ON them.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I have always had mixed feelings about it. Even though the guy is scum and deserves it, the taking of a life has never sat well with me.


48 posted on 06/17/2010 7:10:44 PM PDT by mrsixpack36
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To: reaganaut

He’s using the Mormon faith just like he’s using the system.


49 posted on 06/17/2010 7:11:14 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 59)
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To: reaganaut

come on, splitting hairs to push you’re agenda for godlessness.


50 posted on 06/17/2010 7:13:20 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 59)
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