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Here is a list of the articles in the order they should be read in. When completed (there are 14 of them) one should have a good idea of this conditionalist theology.

1. The Promise to Abraham
2. The Millennial Syndrome
3. Daniel’s Prophecy
4. What About The Rapture?

1 posted on 06/18/2010 9:45:21 AM PDT by Ken4TA
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To: Ken4TA

Is the secret rapture supposed to be like being on double secret probation?

2 posted on 06/18/2010 9:55:12 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Ken4TA

The greatest danger in the teaching of a multi-stage coming is the theory of second chances.

That simply is not taught in scripture.

What IS taught is that when it’s over, it’s over, and we all need to be ready.

3 posted on 06/18/2010 9:56:00 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Ken4TA
Here's a good study series of sermons about Dispensations and the Rapture, from Mark Hitchcock at Edmond Faith Bible Church in Oklahoma. Pastor Hitchcock just put up his own blog, too, recently.

A little bit about Mark Hitchcock (because you should get to know this prophecy teacher as he's a prolific writer and a good prophecy teacher and a good teacher in general.

Mark Hitchcock is a leading Bible prophecy expert, prolific author who has penned over 20 books on the end times, senior pastor, and adjunct faculty member of the Dallas Theological Seminary. He has appeared on hundreds of radio programs and in print as well as The History Channel, MSNBC, Fox, The Glenn Beck Show, and CNN. A leading Christian voice on Mayan 2012 prophecy, he is scheduled to appear on an NBC sci-fi special related to 2012 airing fall, 2009.

A former attorney, Mark initially worked for the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals. Following a call to full-time ministry, today he serves as senior pastor of Faith Bible Church in Edmond, Oklahoma, just outside of Oklahoma City. He graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary in 1991, where he subsequently earned his doctorate in 2006 and more recently has served as an adjunct faculty member.

Hitchcock has been a contributing editor for the Left Behind Prophecy Club for many years. His new book 2012, the Bible, and the End of the World (Harvest House Publishers) will be released September 15, 2009. He has also recently released Cashless (July 1, 2009, also published by Harvest House), showing how today’s headlines foreshadow a new and vastly different economic future—a one-world economy that is consistent with Bible prophecy in Revelation 13. Some of his other titles include: The Late Great United States: What Bible Prophecy Reveals about America’s Last Days; Armageddon, Oil, and Terror; Iran the Coming Crisis: Radical Islam, Oil and the Nuclear Threat; The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse; What On Earth is Going On?; Is America in Bible Prophecy?; The Coming Islamic Invasion of Israel; Is the Antichrist Alive Today?; Seven Signs of the End Times; and What Jesus Says About Earth’s Final Days.

Hitchcock maintains an active speaking schedule, appearing frequently at prophecy conferences, seminaries, and churches. He and his wife, Cheryl, live in Edmond, Oklahoma with their two sons Justin and Samuel.

Faith Bible Church
600 N. Coltrane
Edmond, Oklahoma 73034
Phone: 405-340-1000
Fax: 405-340-7504


The teaching of Dispensationalim / Pastor Mark Hitchcock and Dr. Charles Ryrie

Wed, Nov 7 2007 -- Dispensationalism part I

Wed, Nov 14 2007 -- Dispensationalism Part II

Wed, Nov 28 2007 -- Dispensationalism Part III

Wed, Dec 5 2007 -- Dispensationalism Part IV

Left Behind - What's It All About? / Tim LaHaye and Gary Frazier

Sat, May 19 2007 -- Signs of the Coming Christ / Gary Frazier

Sat, May 19 2007 -- God's Plan for the Ages / Tim LaHaye

Sat, May 19 2007 -- The Role of Israel in Bible Prophecy / Gary Frazier

Sat, May 19 2007 -- The Rapture, 2nd Coming & Glorious Appearing / Tim LaHaye

Sat, May 19 2007 -- Deception and the Last Days / Gary Frazier

Sat, May 19 2007 -- The Merciful God of Prophecy / Tim LaHaye

Sun, May 20 2007 -- Jesus Is Coming / Dr. Tim LaHaye

The Rapture

Sun, Nov 30 2008 -- The Rapture of the Church / Mark Hitchcock

Sun, Dec 7 2008 -- The Timing of the Rapture / Mark Hitchcock

The Pre-Trib Rapture

Sun, Feb 25 2007 -- The Pre-trib Rapture, Pt 2 / Mark Hitchcock

Sun, Mar 11 2007 -- The Pre-trib Rapture, Pt. 3 / Mark Hitchcock

[Part 1 didn't get recorded...]

And..., here's one to educate yourself about End Times Controversies, especially when you are challenged on the Rapture. I would say this one is essential as it's jam packed full of necessary information. Mark Hitchcock did his Doctoral Paper on this subject at Dallas Theological Seminary and wrote a book about it, too.

About Errors and End Times Controversy / Pastor Mark Hitchcock

Wed, Jan 11 2006 -- An Introduction - Part 1

Wed, Jan 18 2006 -- End Times Controversey - Part 2

Wed, Jan 25 2006 -- A Critique of Matthew 24 - Part 3

Wed, Feb 1 2006 -- An Introduction to Interpretation of Revelation - Part 4

Wed, Feb 8 2006 -- Was Nero the Beast of Revelation 13 - Part 5

Wed, Feb 15 2006 -- The Date of Revelation 13 - Part 6

Wed, Feb 22 2006 -- The Date of Revelation 13 - Part 7

Wed, Mar 1 2006 -- Questions & Answers - Part 8

Faith Bible Church Teaching

Holy Scriptures
We teach that the Bible is the Word of God, supernaturally inspired so that it is inerrant in the original manuscripts and has been preserved by God, so that it is the divinely authoritative standard for every age and every life.

The Godhead
We teach that there is one God eternal, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient manifesting Himself in three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit; one in nature, equal in attributes, essence, power and glory.

Jesus Christ
We teach that the Lord Jesus Christ is God incarnate, very God and very man, that He was begotten by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, and offered Himself on the cross as a substitutionary sacrifice, suffering the full penalty for sinners. He was raised bodily on the third day and ascended to the right hand of the Father, there to intercede for us as our advocate and High Priest.

We teach that man, as a consequence of Adam's sin, is subject to the wrath of God, justly condemned in His sight, wholly unable to save himself. Although man was originally created in the image of God, apart from God's salvation through Christ man is eternally lost.

We teach that salvation is wholly by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and entirely apart from any ordinance, ritual, human merit or works. Salvation is the free gift of God and once it is received it cannot by any means be lost. While sin may interrupt the joy of a believers fellowship with God and bring the loving discipline of the Father, the true believer is eternally secure.

Spiritual Gifts
We teach that Christ gives to each believer, at conversion, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit, some gift or gifts to equip him to serve the Lord and edify other believers.

The Church
We teach that the universal Church consists of all true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ from Pentecost to the Rapture. Each local assembly or church should be a miniature of the universal Church, expressing the great truths of the latter. The local assembly consists of believers in the Lord Jesus Christ who meet regularly for teaching, fellowship, breaking of bread, prayer and evangelism.

We teach that there are two Christian ordinances: water baptism and the Lord's Supper. Baptism is the testimony of a believer showing forth in solemn and beautiful emblem his faith in the crucified, buried and risen Savior, and his union and identification with Him in death to sin and resurrection to a new life. We teach that the Lord's Supper serves as a commemoration and proclamation of Jesus' death until He comes.

Last Things
We teach the following future events: the personal, imminent coming of the Lord Jesus to rapture the Church, the tribulation period, the second coming of Christ, the millennial reign of Christ, the judgment of the lost, and the eternal state.

And here is the Faith Bible Church page with all the sermons on it.

4 posted on 06/18/2010 9:57:38 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Ken4TA


6 posted on 06/18/2010 10:05:26 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo alliance and Obama)
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To: Ken4TA

Stick with politics, bro. Theologian your not.

8 posted on 06/18/2010 10:14:57 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Ken4TA

“Revelation 20 speaks of “the first resurrection.””

Beware of phrases. Every phrase, every jot, every punctuation mark, is there for a reason.

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. “

This is the first resurrection - why would this be here? Because there is a second resurrection - not a second and third return, as is pointed out.

Also, the original Greek, if I recall correctly, stating that one is taken and one is left - refers to the GOOD being left behind, and the other being taken into captivity.

Boy it would be nice to know Hebrew and Greek. Waited too long.

10 posted on 06/18/2010 10:17:23 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Ken4TA
What about the Rapture?

There will not be one. No one is going to be beamed outta-here. It is false doctrine.

11 posted on 06/18/2010 10:17:32 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Ken4TA
The tone of this post seems argumentative and thus may not be suitable for a benevolent discussion of believers who are waiting for His Appearing and who are seeking to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:3. Our views of prophetic events are not dispositive to our redemption and salvation.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit is the Comforter who would guide [us] into all truth...and he will show [us] things to come. John 16:13. One reason for showing us things to come is for the Comforter to do just that - to comfort us. I Thess. 4:18.

If one understands what is coming in the seven-year tribulation, there is great comfort knowing the Jesus has not appointed us to this Wrath of the Lamb (I Thess. 5:9, Rev 6:16, Rev 14:10) and will keep us from “the hour of temptation, which shall come upon the whole world, to try everyone that dwell on the earth” (Rev 3:10).

A better understanding of the purpose and meaning of the Day of the Lord is needed here I believe.

13 posted on 06/18/2010 10:30:27 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Quix; Joya
Quix ping!

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

14 posted on 06/18/2010 10:31:25 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Ken4TA
What about RAPture?

25 posted on 06/18/2010 11:25:53 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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To: Ken4TA
Nice strawman here, the most illustrative yet. Replacement theologians call it the "secret rapture" (none of us pre-trib rapturists call it that) and then use scripture to show there is nothing secret about it ... well duh; vapid analysis at best, dishonesty at worst.

The first article (The Promise to Abraham) is the perfect illustration of reading the NT back into the Old. Curtis cant go 1 paragraph without bringing some NT thought into a very straightforward promise to Abraham.

Lets explore the first few sentences from that article ...

God made a promise to Abraham: “In thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed” (Gen.12:3). Later he repeated the promise, “because you have obeyed my voice” (Gen. 22:18). What of this promise? Was it fulfilled? Or is it yet to be realized in some material sense? Gross confusion prevails. The tragic result is that Christians look for a fulfillment which will not come, because they look for the wrong kind of promise. People keep getting this original promise to Abraham mixed up with the Law given to Moses and with the land of Canaan in which the Israelites established a nation.

The covenant to Abraham is separate from the Mosaic covenant, no one is getting the two mixed up, except perhaps Curtis.

But the promise to Abraham had nothing to do with the law nor with national Israel. Paul explained, “For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of Faith” (Rom. 4:13). Three things are revealed here: 1) That the promise has nothing to do with the law, 2) That it does have to do with inheriting the world, and not a mere fraction of it, and 3) The it is through faith, and not through racial descent. Jesus said that Abraham “rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad” (John 8:56, cf. 8:44). Obviously Abraham understood that the promise that he was to be the father of many nations and that all families should be blessed through him was a promise concerning Christ and the salvation he would purchase for believers.

Again, notice how to the non-dispensationist, the interpretation of the OT text must be injected with the New Testament understanding of that text. Not only that, but Curtis has also missed the entire point of what Paul was saying in Romans, i.e., justification by faith alone. He just keys on the word "law," finds a NT passage that contains the word "law," and tries to harmonize the two passages.

The second highlighted section of Curtis' argument highlights what happens when you read the NT back into the Old ... you begin to insert ideas that are foreign to the text. There is nothing in the text of Genesis 12 or 17 that suggests that Abraham understood the covenant that God made with him as anything but a promise that he would be the father of a great nation and that nation would possess certain boundaries. Where in the text of Genesis 12 or 17 does it even remotely suggest that Abraham forsaw and understood that the covenant he made with God was really the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31?

My patience has run out reading this stuff. Perhaps we should just rejoice that our names are written in heaven.

50 posted on 06/18/2010 7:52:52 PM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: Ken4TA

“LIKE A THIEF. Several passages of Scripture mention Christ coming “as a thief in the night”

It’s important to emphasise that as Christians we are warned to be ready whenever He comes - we don’t have to watch out for signs & wonders, in fact Jesus Christ Himself was rather scathing about those who were looking for such. That state of readiness is the nature of the Christian life. His coming “as a thief” is for those who are not ready, ie those who don’t believe.

There is no 2-stage coming, merely 2 types of people. Those who are ready.......and those who are not.

52 posted on 06/18/2010 10:48:19 PM PDT by Diapason
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