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To: Ken4TA; Jim 0216
If one understands what is coming in the seven-year tribulation, there is great comfort knowing the Jesus has not appointed us to this Wrath of the Lamb (I Thess. 5:9, Rev 6:16, Rev 14:10) and will keep us from “the hour of temptation, which shall come upon the whole world, to try everyone that dwell on the earth” (Rev 3:10).

There is nothing in any of these (or other) verses that says anything about a pre-trib rapture. I defy anyone to demonstrate this in a reading of the primary source texts. The only way is by a peculiar sort of logic that states , "If A equals B equals C equals D, then D equals A" while, throughout the process, shifting definitions here or there so things will appear to fit and assuming that "if" means the same thing as "since" or "because" without demonstrating it or, even worse, appealing to (misbegotten) authority ("Well, Grant Jeffries or 'a majority of Bible scholars' say so") ignoring the fact that "Bible scholars" is defined in such a way as to guarantee that a majority will already take for granted the issue still in question for which their "authority" is offered as proof.


23 posted on 06/18/2010 11:19:26 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
OK, well as I've said, after a fair amount of fear and confusion from all the different viewpoints, I wiped the blackboard of my heart and mind clean, came to the Lord (not man), and asked Him for the truth. Jesus told us the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth and show us things to come (John 16:13) and that the truth will set me free (from fear and confusion among other things) (John 8:32). I believe he's done just that with me.

Again, these are not dispositive issues and our hearts need to seek unity among us as brothers and sisters in the bond of peace. These are important things because I think God wants to comfort His people (plus I enjoy the subject if it can be amicably and intelligently discussed – no agreement necessary), but not as sources of division among us.

29 posted on 06/18/2010 11:44:39 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: aruanan
There is nothing in any of these (or other) verses that says anything about a pre-trib rapture. I defy anyone to demonstrate this in a reading of the primary source texts. The only way is by a peculiar sort of logic that states , "If A equals B equals C equals D, then D equals A" while, throughout the process, shifting definitions here or there so things will appear to fit and assuming that "if" means the same thing as "since" or "because" without demonstrating it or, even worse, appealing to (misbegotten) authority ("Well, Grant Jeffries or 'a majority of Bible scholars' say so") ignoring the fact that "Bible scholars" is defined in such a way as to guarantee that a majority will already take for granted the issue still in question for which their "authority" is offered as proof.

Very good statement! Jesus will not pour out wrath on His people, but only on those who are not His: And I shudder for those people by knowing this.

31 posted on 06/18/2010 11:50:25 AM PDT by Ken4TA (Truth hurts, especially when it goes against what one believes.)
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