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To: Jim 0216
However, Jesus tells John that His revelation to John is about a timeline (Rev. 1:19). With care and the Holy Spirit's help, one can add the various "times” throughout the book to two divisions of 3 1/2 years each.

Hmmm...maybe, maybe not. Jesus told John that what is prophecied in the book was to happen shortly, however, our vision of time certainly isn't God time sense. Thousands of years is as a day, and a day is as thousands of years to God. A question: where in the book would each 3 1/2 years be separated?

then count forward from the "command to restore Jerusalem unto Messiah the prince" (when Jesus first came as Savoir) (Dan 9:25).

Hmmm....where is Messiah called the "prince"? I read it that the after Messiah is "cut off", i.e., crucified, not for himself, but for those whose sins are to be forgiven is one thing; but it is "the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...". That prince is not Jesus, for he was already "cut of" in the first half of the week. The prince came 40 years later to destroy Jerusalem and the temple.

What about the seventieth week? Dan 9:27 reveals this last week and the broken covenant and abomination of the world ruler in the midst (halfway through) of the "week" (3 1/2 years). This maps exactly to 2 Thess 2:4 and more precisely to the events after Rev 11: 14 and in Matt 24:15-31 (the second 3 1/2 years - what Jesus called "the end").

Sorry, everything points to Jesus being "cut off" in the middle of the 70th week. Jesus confirmed the covenant for the full 70th week. 3 1/2 years during which he had his ministry, and 3 1/2 years under the ministry of the apostles to the Jews alone. Then Cornelius was converted and the New Covenant was fully in place - ALL who believed and obeyed the Gospel were added to the Kingdom proclaimed in the Gospel. That Kingdom is today being added to as people are converted to Christ from all the nations of the world.

What you say about Dan. 9:27 is chock full of esegesis, not exegesis. It's reading many things into it that are not said nor indicated. That's my take on what you said; sorry about that. Maybe you could expound on that paragraph to make it clearer?

45 posted on 06/18/2010 2:53:04 PM PDT by Ken4TA (Truth hurts, especially when it goes against what one believes.)
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To: Ken4TA
Well, start with And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Daniel 9:26a. As you said, this is Jesus crucified that comes at the end of sixty-nine weeks. Up to this point, only sixty-nine weeks are accounted for and the commensurate 493 years is historically accurate. (Again, this is how we know Daniel’s prophetic time: one week prophetic time equals seven actual years.)

What about the seventieth week (the last seven years)?

Start with the last part of Dan9:26(b), and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. As you point out this prince is not Jesus but the one who creates “desolations”, as Jesus referred to in Matt 24:15 (the “abomination of desolation”).

Now it starts to get precise: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: Dan 9:27a. I believe (and other scripture points to this) that this “prince” will make a “covenant” (non-aggression treaty) with Israel not unlike what Hitler did with England and Russia while he amassed the power he needed to eventually double cross and attack them.

Now the 3 ½ year split: and in the midst of the week (3 ½ years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:27b. This “prince” (the same world ruler as that in Daniel 11:21-45) will after 3 ½ years set up “the abomination of desolation” (Matt 24:15 & Dan 11:31). Also referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:4: Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. This is “the beast” in Revelation.

Now I’ll ask you to do something:

1st 3 ½ years: read and see if you can’t map Matt 24:4-14 with Rev 6:1-14:16. Both begin with man’s deception (Jesus’ warning in Matt. and the false Messiah on the white horse in Rev. (interestingly many think this is Jesus but Jesus carries a sword not a bow)) and end with the gospel preached to all nations (Rev 14:6).

2nd 3 ½ years: read and see if you can’t map Matt 24:15-31 with Rev 11:14-19:21. Both begin with the world ruler tearing off his mask revealing himself to be the abomination of desolation in Matt. and Satan’s “beast” in Revelation (third woe and seventh trump) and end with the Son of Man coming in the clouds with power and great glory in Matt. and the heavens opening and the appearing of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev 19:11-21).

There is overlap in the verses referenced in Revelation because the masterpiece of the tapestry the Holy Spirit paints here contains parenthetical imagery to give a perspective and background to what’s going on. May the Lord give us understanding to the Word He wrote.

God Bless.

48 posted on 06/18/2010 6:16:28 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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