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To: Ken4TA
Well, start with And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Daniel 9:26a. As you said, this is Jesus crucified that comes at the end of sixty-nine weeks. Up to this point, only sixty-nine weeks are accounted for and the commensurate 493 years is historically accurate. (Again, this is how we know Daniel’s prophetic time: one week prophetic time equals seven actual years.)

What about the seventieth week (the last seven years)?

Start with the last part of Dan9:26(b), and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. As you point out this prince is not Jesus but the one who creates “desolations”, as Jesus referred to in Matt 24:15 (the “abomination of desolation”).

Now it starts to get precise: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: Dan 9:27a. I believe (and other scripture points to this) that this “prince” will make a “covenant” (non-aggression treaty) with Israel not unlike what Hitler did with England and Russia while he amassed the power he needed to eventually double cross and attack them.

Now the 3 ½ year split: and in the midst of the week (3 ½ years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:27b. This “prince” (the same world ruler as that in Daniel 11:21-45) will after 3 ½ years set up “the abomination of desolation” (Matt 24:15 & Dan 11:31). Also referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:4: Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. This is “the beast” in Revelation.

Now I’ll ask you to do something:

1st 3 ½ years: read and see if you can’t map Matt 24:4-14 with Rev 6:1-14:16. Both begin with man’s deception (Jesus’ warning in Matt. and the false Messiah on the white horse in Rev. (interestingly many think this is Jesus but Jesus carries a sword not a bow)) and end with the gospel preached to all nations (Rev 14:6).

2nd 3 ½ years: read and see if you can’t map Matt 24:15-31 with Rev 11:14-19:21. Both begin with the world ruler tearing off his mask revealing himself to be the abomination of desolation in Matt. and Satan’s “beast” in Revelation (third woe and seventh trump) and end with the Son of Man coming in the clouds with power and great glory in Matt. and the heavens opening and the appearing of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev 19:11-21).

There is overlap in the verses referenced in Revelation because the masterpiece of the tapestry the Holy Spirit paints here contains parenthetical imagery to give a perspective and background to what’s going on. May the Lord give us understanding to the Word He wrote.

God Bless.

48 posted on 06/18/2010 6:16:28 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216
Well, start with And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Daniel 9:26a. As you said, this is Jesus crucified that comes at the end of sixty-nine weeks. Up to this point, only sixty-nine weeks are accounted for and the commensurate 493 years is historically accurate. (Again, this is how we know Daniel’s prophetic time: one week prophetic time equals seven actual years.)

Sorry, but right off that start you are mimicking the dispensational teachings of the Scofield Study Bible and the writings of all the "saints" of the dispensational viewpoint. Jesus is crucified in the midst of the week: that week is the 70th week of the prophecy. There is no "gap" between the 69th and 70th week, regardless of how many and who says so. Their exegesis is terrible, to say the least. BTW, I never said that Jesus was crucified at the end of the 69th week.

What about the seventieth week (the last seven years)? Start with the last part of Dan9:26(b), and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. As you point out this prince is not Jesus but the one who creates “desolations”, as Jesus referred to in Matt 24:15 (the “abomination of desolation”).

Absolutely. Messiah is not the Prince, and besides, if that was so, it would be the "people of the Prince" who would be the destroyers of Jerusalem and the temple; and that would be 40 years after the 70th week! The "abomination of desolation" is Jerusalem surrounded by the armies of Rome under Titus. See Luke 21:20-24, which is Luke's recording of Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24:15-25.

Now it starts to get precise: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: Dan 9:27a. I believe (and other scripture points to this) that this “prince” will make a “covenant” (non-aggression treaty) with Israel not unlike what Hitler did with England and Russia while he amassed the power he needed to eventually double cross and attack them.
Now the 3 ½ year split: and in the midst of the week (3 ½ years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Dan 9:27b. This “prince” (the same world ruler as that in Daniel 11:21-45) will after 3 ½ years set up “the abomination of desolation” (Matt 24:15 & Dan 11:31). Also referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:4: Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. This is “the beast” in Revelation.

Interesting, but IMHO, completely wrong. You are taking what the Messiah accomplished and crediting it to the Prince's people that would come. I will write another post to you with a much better explanation and exegesis of Daniel's 70th week. Give me until tomorrow to do so.

Now I’ll ask you to do something:
1st 3 ½ years: read and see if you can’t map Matt 24:4-14 with Rev 6:1-14:16. Both begin with man’s deception (Jesus’ warning in Matt. and the false Messiah on the white horse in Rev. (interestingly many think this is Jesus but Jesus carries a sword not a bow)) and end with the gospel preached to all nations (Rev 14:6).
2nd 3 ½ years: read and see if you can’t map Matt 24:15-31 with Rev 11:14-19:21. Both begin with the world ruler tearing off his mask revealing himself to be the abomination of desolation in Matt. and Satan’s “beast” in Revelation (third woe and seventh trump) and end with the Son of Man coming in the clouds with power and great glory in Matt. and the heavens opening and the appearing of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev 19:11-21).

Sorry, I'll not be able to do what you ask, for it is impossible to do. Look for my post to you tomorrow.

There is overlap in the verses referenced in Revelation because the masterpiece of the tapestry the Holy Spirit paints here contains parenthetical imagery to give a perspective and background to what’s going on. May the Lord give us understanding to the Word He wrote.

Yes, there sure is overlap in all of the book of Revelation. And yes, "May the Lord give us understanding to the words He gave to John to write!" May the spirit of truth prevail for both of us. I really enjoyed your explanation, for it gave me a good insight into your thoughts on this issue. Watch for my post to you tomorrow, sometime during the day. It will take a little bit of time to write it, and I hope you will at the minimum consider what I'm going to say. God bless you in your study of His word in the Scriptures.

49 posted on 06/18/2010 7:43:04 PM PDT by Ken4TA (Truth hurts, especially when it goes against what one believes.)
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To: Jim 0216; Ken4TA

“Well, start with And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Daniel 9:26a. As you said, this is Jesus crucified that comes at the end of sixty-nine weeks. Up to this point, only sixty-nine weeks are accounted for and the commensurate 493 years is historically accurate. (Again, this is how we know Daniel’s prophetic time: one week prophetic time equals seven actual years.)”

No, it doesn’t say that Jesus is crucified at the end of 69 weeks, it says AFTER 69 weeks, ie during the 70th week - specifically half-way during that week.


54 posted on 06/18/2010 11:09:07 PM PDT by Diapason
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