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Bellevue (Baptist) says 'you're out,' gay softball coach claims
The Memphis Commercial Appeal ^ | Wednesday, June 16, 2010 | Clay Bailey

Posted on 06/19/2010 12:20:39 PM PDT by Sybeck1

Bellevue says 'you're out,' gay softball coach claims

A local women's softball coach said her team was banned from a Bellevue Baptist Church league after she acknowledged she is gay.

Jana J. Jacobson said church officials told her the "deviant" lifestyle would prevent the team from competing in Bellevue's adult women's softball league.

The coach said she was the only team member who attended meetings in preparation for the season that began June 8, and the only member questioned by Bellevue leadership. She wondered why her lifestyle mattered since they were playing softball.

"Finally, in my frustration, I said that I am going to be clear. I am gay, and I find all of this to be absurd and against the word of God as I know it," Jacobson said of a meeting with Bellevue officials.

Jim Barnwell, Bellevue's director of communications, said Tuesday afternoon the church has "no plans to comment on (Jacobson's story) at this time."

Bellevue was provided an outline of Jacobson's account of meetings with church officials. Barnwell also was asked whether the church's stance regarding homosexuality was part of the decision, if its account of the episode differed from Jacobson's and whether the player's acknowledgment played a part in the team not playing in Bellevue's league.

The church's decision does not appear to be illegal, said Richard Fields, a long-time local civil rights lawyer: "I don't think it's ever been challenged. This is the first time I've ever heard of anything like this."

In May, Jacobson's team, composed of straight and gay players, many of whom play one night a week in Bartlett, was looking for more games. They discovered Bellevue was allowing teams not associated with the Cordova church to join.

She registered, paid the entry fee and attended the preseason organizational meeting. This included outlines of league rules: no alcohol, smoking or cursing and no offensive terms on uniforms. She does not recall there being any morality clause.

Andy Beal, the church's minister for sports outreach, later contacted her seeking a followup meeting. Scheduling problems delayed the session until the day before the start of the season, Jacobson said.

During the meeting, Jacobson said another rule of "no public displays of affection" was added. Beal also told her they had received information about her lifestyle.

Jacobson, who says she's "very athletic in appearance," didn't want to lie, so she acknowledged she is gay.

"I continued with ... 'This is silly, we're simply here to play ball,'" the coach recounted in an e-mail about the events.

According to Jacobson, Scotty Shows, the church's recreation minister who also attended the second meeting, told her that because she was gay the team could not play. She was told that the team's participation would send a message to Bellevue members that the church condoned her lifestyle.

Bruce Gourley, executive director of the Baptist History and Heritage Society, said terms such as "deviant lifestyle" are common for Baptists opposing homosexuality.

"The issue of homosexuality and how Southern Baptists handle that is a huge issue with them. I haven't heard of a situation in a softball league, but it doesn't surprise me," said Gourley, who, according to his biography, holds a degree from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and is online editor of Baptists Today.

He said odds are that there are homosexual members of Bellevue. They are tolerated "as long as they are quiet about it."

"A softball league seems like a minor playing field to take a stance," Gourley said, "but that is how seriously (Southern Baptists) believe about this issue."

Jacobson said she is not looking for the church league to rescind the decision, and wouldn't return anyway.

Fields was surprised at the church's stance.

"This is totally insane, and the gay community of Memphis should protest it, as well as the straight community," he said. "None of us should have to put up with that."

-- Clay Bailey: 529-2393


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: baptist; bellevue; bellevuebaptist; coach; homonazi; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; lesbonazi; lesbonaziagenda; memphis; poll; religiousliberty; religiouspersecution
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A couple of days old but still big talk here in the Memphis area.
1 posted on 06/19/2010 12:20:39 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: WKB; Graybeard58; JLLH; Outlaw Woman; StarCMC; AZ .44 MAG; prairiebreeze; Beloved Levinite; ...

Baptist ping

There is a poll on the CA to voice your opinion.


2 posted on 06/19/2010 12:22:40 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Pander to me for a change!!)
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To: Sybeck1

“I am gay, and I find all of this to be absurd and against the word of God as I know it”

Try reading it then!


3 posted on 06/19/2010 12:25:20 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Sybeck1

She thinks it is silly, but then, it is not her decision. She wants to be accepted as normal, but homosexuality is considered aberrant by Christians. Life is tough.


4 posted on 06/19/2010 12:25:49 PM PDT by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Sybeck1
"Finally, in my frustration, I said that I am going to be clear. I am gay, and I find all of this to be absurd and against the word of God as I know it,"

Evidently she does not know "the word of God".

5 posted on 06/19/2010 12:25:58 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: Sybeck1
"None of us should have to put up with that."

And none of the church members should have to put up with a player openly living in sin. That's that.

6 posted on 06/19/2010 12:27:08 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ('Bush Did It' Is Not a Foreign Policy -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Sybeck1
"I am gay, and I find all of this to be absurd and against the word of God as I know it,"

Exactly...as YOU know it. Try reading the Word. God will not distinguish between any sexually abhorrent lifestyles on the day of judgement, be it pedo, homo, bestiality or prostitution. They are all a grievance to Him. Homosexuals were prevalent even in Moses day, and God judged as he did because it spreads disease, endangers marriage and well, is generally a pain in the neck for stability. Life is tough, but the rewards for making sound choices far outweigh the negatives.

7 posted on 06/19/2010 12:29:43 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Sybeck1
Jacobson said she is not looking for the church league to rescind the decision, and wouldn't return anyway.

Saying that is sure not going to help her case in the inevitabe law suit she's going to file.

8 posted on 06/19/2010 12:34:23 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: Sybeck1
Churches don't exist to condone and encourage that which God has called abominations.

Quite the opposite.

9 posted on 06/19/2010 12:34:32 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Soothesayer9

“God judged as he did because it spreads disease, endangers marriage and well, is generally a pain in the neck for stability. “

I think another reason is that it befouls the illustration of man being made in God’s image.


10 posted on 06/19/2010 12:35:48 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Sybeck1

She argues her lifestyle has nothing to do with playing baseball. The Baptists argue that team or coach implies the Baptists condone her lifestyle choice. Let’s look to the government to see how it treats any requested use of its activities or sites for religious purposes. What, even the whiff of religion is considered to unconstitutionally taint the government? Guess the Baptists have a point. So long as the government (and the gays) can get the vapors whenever there’s a crucifix, a prayer or faith reference, the Baptists have a right to refuse to associate with someone who disses their standards.


11 posted on 06/19/2010 12:37:01 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

She could start an all dyke league. They could keep out Bible believing Baptists.

Ever see any men in a lesbian bar? They are not welcomed.

Try marching in the Castro St. parade wearing a clerical collar and preaching the word of God. If you are suicidal.

Sign up for the Alice B. Toklas Gay Lesbo Democratic Club as a Bible believer that likes to pray in Jesus’ name before meetings. See if they let you in the door.

So they will keep others out of their little gatherings. But they get to crash all of yours.


12 posted on 06/19/2010 12:37:59 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Sybeck1

Good for them!


13 posted on 06/19/2010 12:44:33 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: Sybeck1
So the gay community wants to force people to play ball with them.

Isn't that sexual harassment?

14 posted on 06/19/2010 12:45:55 PM PDT by donna (Yah Mo B There - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HbbM-FG8lQ)
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To: Sybeck1

What would have been a great chance to witness and profess the Gospel to that woman.


15 posted on 06/19/2010 1:03:05 PM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: Sybeck1

Poll: Do you agree with a decision by Bellevue Baptist Church to ban a church league softball team because its coach acknowledged she is gay?

No 70% 2583
Yes 29% 1101
total votes: 3684


16 posted on 06/19/2010 1:23:30 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: Sybeck1

Poll: Do you agree with a decision by Bellevue Baptist Church to ban a church league softball team because its coach acknowledged she is gay?

Thanks for your vote.

RESPONSE PERCENT VOTES
No

70% 2583

Yes

29% 1102

total votes: 3685


17 posted on 06/19/2010 1:27:33 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sybeck1

Yet another “Hate the sin, hate the sinner more” moment.


18 posted on 06/19/2010 1:28:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sybeck1

Can’t she just go play in the Methodist church league?


19 posted on 06/19/2010 1:29:27 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Sybeck1

Why did she feel compelled to blurt out that she is gay? And there are other gays on the team as well. So yes now that the ‘knowledge’ is out there, Bellvue had to take a stand (imo). But I’m still trying to understand why she felt it necessary to blurt that out. Almost sounds like a setup. The ‘final frontier’ so to speak...break down the walls of the Baptist (we’re so non-forgiving and unaccepting afterall) and create another legal challenge that will have nationwide ramifications.


20 posted on 06/19/2010 1:33:20 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: Sybeck1; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...

Memphis newspaper poll asks if you approve of Elena Kagan-esque behavior being rejected by a local Baptist Church.

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21 posted on 06/19/2010 1:41:03 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Our government is a joke and its current makeup is the punch line.)
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To: Sybeck1

There are plenty of non-religious softball leagues where this carpet-muncher can coach.


22 posted on 06/19/2010 1:42:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Outlaw Woman
Why did she feel compelled to blurt out that she is gay?

Because she was asked. Should she have lied?

23 posted on 06/19/2010 1:43:19 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Outlaw Woman
break down the walls of the Baptist (we’re so non-forgiving and unaccepting afterall) and create another legal challenge that will have nationwide ramifications.

I'm sure that was a component of a homosexual woman trying to play in a church league when there are women's softball leagues all over which are not associated with Christianity.

It's a tactic that has been tried and has proven successful. Sue and force your way into the last remaining vestiges of morality and decent standards left in this country and then eliminate any and all opposition to your perversity.

24 posted on 06/19/2010 1:47:10 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because she was asked. Should she have lied?

I didn't see where she was specifically asked about being gay. Her lifestyle came into question but the context of that may have been because she is a single woman. Being a single woman seems to raise questions.

25 posted on 06/19/2010 2:05:07 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Poll: Do you agree with a decision by Bellevue Baptist Church to ban a church league softball team because its coach acknowledged she is gay?

No 70% 2583
Yes 29% 1101
total votes: 3684
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There’s a wonderful thing about God’s Word — it isn’t up for a vote. God isn’t elected. The principles of Scripture aren’t chosen by referendum. And the Bible still says that Homosexuality and Lesbianism is, yes, a SIN.

Bellevue Baptist Church is, according to my understanding, the administrator and overseer of this softball league. They have the right to determine who plays, and who doesn’t. Case closed.


26 posted on 06/19/2010 2:05:11 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Sybeck1

Good on Bellevue


27 posted on 06/19/2010 2:08:01 PM PDT by WKB (Oil spill = illegal immigration -- Until we stop the leak we will never fix the problems.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

” It’s a tactic that has been tried and has proven successful. Sue and force your way into the last remaining vestiges of morality and decent standards left in this country and then eliminate any and all opposition to your perversity. “

EXACTLY!


28 posted on 06/19/2010 2:11:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

+1


29 posted on 06/19/2010 2:14:49 PM PDT by stormer
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To: donna

” So the gay community wants to force people to play ball with them.

Isn’t that sexual harassment? “

LOL!! Good shot. To a church? Yes it is!


30 posted on 06/19/2010 2:14:58 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Outlaw Woman
I didn't see where she was specifically asked about being gay. Her lifestyle came into question but the context of that may have been because she is a single woman. Being a single woman seems to raise questions.

Yeah right. Are you suggesting there were no other single women on any of the teams? Or are you suggesting that when the story said "Beal also told her they had received information about her lifestyle" they were talking about her housekeeping?

31 posted on 06/19/2010 2:31:09 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: patriot preacher
There’s a wonderful thing about God’s Word — it isn’t up for a vote.

Thank God...He is never changing and is unmovable and I am grateful for that.

You are right, BBC has the right to determine who plays...case is indeed closed.

32 posted on 06/19/2010 3:05:30 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I’m not suggesting anything. Who peed in your Cheerios today?


33 posted on 06/19/2010 3:06:39 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Absolutely...the Boy Scouts is a glaring example. This story is not going away...before you know it we’ll be hearing about the local chapter of the ACLU stepping in.


34 posted on 06/19/2010 3:11:33 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: Sybeck1

What a frickin joke! It’s just a recreational league with some gal offering to manage the team who just happens to be a lesbian.............Burn her at the cross!


35 posted on 06/19/2010 3:23:00 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: Sybeck1

What? A lesbian playing softball? Why, that’s unheard of!


36 posted on 06/19/2010 3:51:29 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Sybeck1

Why is this even news? Unless homosexuals want to hear the sermon and consider repenting, they shouldn’t play any role in a Bible-believing church.


37 posted on 06/19/2010 4:39:34 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because she was asked. Should she have lied?

She shouldn't have signed up to begin with at a church that doesn't tolerate someone living a sinful, perverted lifestyle.

38 posted on 06/19/2010 4:42:32 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Hot Tabasco
It’s just a recreational league with some gal offering to manage the team who just happens to be a lesbian.

She can play for a church or team that doesn't find her behavior perverted and sinful. PROBLEM SOLVED.

39 posted on 06/19/2010 4:44:51 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky
She shouldn't have signed up to begin with at a church that doesn't tolerate someone living a sinful, perverted lifestyle.

Maybe they should have clearly said "No Fags Allowed" on their literature?

40 posted on 06/19/2010 5:06:11 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Ol' Sparky
Unless homosexuals want to hear the sermon and consider repenting, they shouldn’t play any role in a Bible-believing church.

Apparently you wouldn't even allow them in the door to hear the sermon in the first place

41 posted on 06/19/2010 5:08:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Apparently you wouldn't even allow them in the door to hear the sermon in the first place

I just stated otherwise. Try reading what you're responding to.

Why on earth would you expect churches with moral standards to allow unrepentant sinners on the softball team? Don't like? Don't go to the church or piss off.

42 posted on 06/19/2010 5:13:10 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Sybeck1

Poll: Do you agree with a decision by Bellevue Baptist Church to ban a church league softball team because its coach acknowledged she is gay?

No — 69% — 2591
Yes — 30% — 1116

total votes: 3707


43 posted on 06/19/2010 6:34:03 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: AZ .44 MAG

Sorry I forgot to ping you to my Post #43!


44 posted on 06/19/2010 6:38:02 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Sybeck1
must be a huge church. they have a better website than most federal agencies. Bellevue Baptist Church
45 posted on 06/19/2010 6:42:26 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: TheOldLady

I am kind of suprised by this poll since Memphis is the buckle of the bible belt IMO. The CA is a leftist rag and I tell them that when they try to get me to subscibe.


46 posted on 06/19/2010 6:42:45 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Pander to me for a change!!)
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To: JohnBrowdie

I think about 20K is membership. My father in law goes there while I and the family attend a small chuch in MS.


47 posted on 06/19/2010 6:50:53 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Pander to me for a change!!)
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To: Sybeck1

Gay? A woman’s softball coach? Impossible!!!


48 posted on 06/19/2010 7:05:35 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Outlaw Woman

Hi ow....yep. that’s exactly how I saw it. It didn’t matter how “athletic” or not she was...idiot...there’s alot of athletic woman who aren’t gay....she gets a fail big time!

Furthermore who cares who you choose to have sex with...keep it private as most people do... not on the public street and certainly not in front of kids...she’s a flamer, and got the press, and that’s what she wanted.


49 posted on 06/19/2010 7:29:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: Graybeard58
Evidently she does not know "the word of God".

Then I assume there is no one in the league who is an adulterer or has been divorced a few times or drinks alcohol, or watches football on the Sabbath or curses or (pick your sin).

50 posted on 06/19/2010 8:00:39 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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