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Story the MSM is ignoring: The Rapture Ready Index has been above 160 ALL YEAR so far
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Posted on 06/20/2010 5:59:21 PM PDT by USALiberty

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To: USALiberty; Quix

Amen. Thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks for posting this thread.

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Quix, thanks for the ping and the added info.

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FOLKS, STAY PRAYED UP, FORGIVE EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING, REPENT, BE READY.


51 posted on 06/22/2010 10:46:58 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya

THX for your kind reply.


52 posted on 06/22/2010 10:52:47 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: mlizzy
I do not decipher the Lord's Word on my own, but through the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.

LOL.

That explains pretty much everything.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

53 posted on 06/22/2010 11:31:03 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

LOL back atcha’.


54 posted on 06/22/2010 11:36:36 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: The Theophilus

Excellent!


55 posted on 06/22/2010 12:09:54 PM PDT by holly go-rightly
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To: battousai; mountn man

I’ve felt like something very special would happen in my lifetime since I was a young man.

Don’t taint my dream!


56 posted on 06/22/2010 1:18:37 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: aruanan

http://www.raptureforums.com/Rapture/raptureorigin.cfm


57 posted on 06/22/2010 2:25:44 PM PDT by Library Lady
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To: Quix

Quix...have not had enough time to fully read and respond to all ‘pings’ but I just want to THANK YOU for postings.

Your FRiend is not the only one with an ominous feeling about this point in time.

G-d bless...PM


58 posted on 06/22/2010 2:35:18 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom ((((((((((((((((((((PALIN/BACHMANN 2012))))))))))))))))))))
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To: mountn man

You speak of the seven year tribulation where do you find that time period in the bible?


59 posted on 06/22/2010 2:53:01 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953
The Hebrew prophet Daniel was given a complete outline of Israel’s future history, broken into subdivisions of time of seven years each. In Hebrew, “shabua”, translated as “week” in Daniel 9:26, is a ‘week of years’, in much the same way the Greek system is in use today. A ‘decade’ denotes ten years in the way a ‘shabua’ or ‘week’ denotes a period of seven years.

The book of Daniel tells us that seventy sevens of years (490 years) will be upon Israel and the Holy City to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy. (Daniel 9:24) Thus far, 483 years (69 weeks of years) have been historically completed. After the 483rd year Daniel tells us that the Messiah would be cut off (Jesus). We know that the last seven years of this prophecy were never historically fulfilled because there was no restoration in the land of Israel or judgments as the prophets clearly declared. Therefore, we now should understand that the fulfillment of the last seven years for the Jewish people comes after the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (Luk 21:24).

The times of the Gentiles is the age of God's grace to all nations who come to the Messiah through their trust in Jesus. After the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled there still remains the final seven years of transgression for the nation of Israel after which she will be restored to her rightful place as head of the nations. The prophetic scriptures indicate that toward the end of this tribulation period she will repent, call on the name of her true Messiah and at that time He will come to rescue her from the Beast Antichrist and establish the promised Jewish kingdom on earth.

Daniel, also tells us that the last seven years begins when Israel signs or confirms a covenant with a world leader that scripture identifies as the Beast (Antichrist). (Daniel 9:27) Jeremiah, in his prophecy, calls this time the time of "Jacob's trouble" (Israel's trouble). Daniel, Jesus and John in Revelation speak of 1260 days of great tribulation just before Israel's restoration and right after the Antichrist stands in the rebuilt Temple and declares himself to be God. During this period true Israel accepts Jesus Christ as her true Messiah and at the end of the 1260 days Jesus comes to earth in great power and glory and destroys all of the armies of the world that the Beast Antichrist deceived to come against Israel. The Beast Antichrist and his False Prophet will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire. Jesus will then set up the promised kingdom age of peace and justice on earth ruled from Jerusalem for one thousand years.

60 posted on 06/22/2010 3:34:28 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
It says that the Messiah would be cut off in the middle of the week Jesus ministered for 3.5 years there is only 3.5 years left of the 70 weeks.
61 posted on 06/22/2010 3:45:05 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Um, what?


62 posted on 06/22/2010 3:47:58 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is speaking of Jesus not the anti-christ. Jesus confirmed the covenant with the Jews for 3.5 years and was cut off in the middle of it.The overspreading of the abomination was the continuation of the daily sacrifice by the Jews. God gave them 40 years to repent and in ad 70 God destroyed the Temple and the daily sacrifices. You will not find any where in the bible that says that there will be 7 years of tribulation. Revelation speaks of a 3.5 year period. the tribulation is only 3.5 years.

63 posted on 06/22/2010 3:57:58 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953
I will need the Scripture that describes the following about Jesus Christ:

Those are all characteristics of the guy who signs a seven-year peace contract with Israel.

So if Jesus Christ is that guy, I'm going to need to see supporting Scripture that will prove without a doubt that Jesus Christ already signed a seven-year peace contact with Israel.

64 posted on 06/22/2010 4:16:07 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Show me in Daniel where it talks about the anti-christ


65 posted on 06/22/2010 4:18:36 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953
From post 60:

Daniel, also tells us that the last seven years begins when Israel signs or confirms a covenant with a world leader that scripture identifies as the Beast (Antichrist). (Daniel 9:27)

Now it's your turn to give me the Scripture to support your claim that Jesus Christ is the guy who signed a seven-year peace contract between Israel and her enemies.

66 posted on 06/22/2010 4:21:58 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 00278 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

these two verses talk about the same person the Messiah, You can not say one is about Jesus and then the next one is about an anti-christ. It is not good bible reading verse 27 says nothing about a anti-christ. Jesus consummated the covenant after 3.5 years which caused the requirement of the sacrifice to end.

67 posted on 06/22/2010 4:30:48 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Well, aside from the fact that my request still has not been answered, when exactly did Jesus Christ force the Jews to stop their sacrifices?

When Jesus Christ was crucified, did He come back to life and continue His ruling over the entire world?

"the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" - the people that destroyed the sanctuary (Temple, in 70AD) were the Romans and "the prince that shall come" will be of the people who destroyed the Temple in 70AD.

The fact that the Temple was destroyed after Jesus was crucified nukes your entire assertion, but I'll play along.

Since the destruction of the Temple occurred after Christ's crucifixion, are you still going to maintain that 1. Jesus was of Roman descent and 2. Jesus died, was brought back to life by Satan, desecrated the Temple, forced the Jews to stop their sacrifices, ruled over the entire world, was referred to as the "Beast" throughout Scripture, and confirmed a seven-year peace contract between Israel and her enemies?

One, last time, I'm going to need the Scripture that inarguably shows that Jesus Christ was the guy who met all of the characteristics listed above that the Bible states will be attributes of the guy who confirms the seven-year peace contract between Israel and her enemies.

If I don't see that supporting Scripture in your next post, I'll know that you simply cannot support your assertion that Jesus Christ ever confirmed a seven-year peace contract between Israel and her enemies and will know that that nonsense can be permanently dismissed.

68 posted on 06/22/2010 4:46:46 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The temple sacrifice was done and over with after the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ proclaimed that it is over it is finish. God gave the Jews 40 years to repent and they did not and god destroyed the temple to bring a stop to the abomination of the daily sacrifice that the Jews were performing. The entire Daniel 70 weeks is about the Messiah not about the anti-christ. Every where the anti-christ and the beast are mentioned they are call by their names. You can not start a prophecy about the Messiah and run it 4 verse and in the last verse say it is about the anti-christ. If one could do that then we could use the prophecy's from Isiah about the Christ and say no it's about the ani-christ in this verse after describing the Christ in one verse.

If you are looking for a new temple and a 7 year tribulation and rapture before all that then you will be sadly mistaken.

69 posted on 06/22/2010 4:57:42 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

THX MUCH.


70 posted on 06/22/2010 4:59:25 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: USALiberty
Scripture says that God created man in His image. It is also said that man returned the favor. How true. As Christians should we imagine we are immune? I know who loves it when we do. (notice, I didn't say "if" we do)

This is the second such "debate" I have seen in the last week. Some discuss the issues around the end times, while others want to argue. It can be rather easy to get caught up ones own position on the issue. Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, no-trib; on and on it goes.

I have read rationales for various positions on the topic. I have also seen some of those verses that seem to support this position or that one posted with the usual: "see? see? it is obvious that the position I ascribe to is correct!"

I know what position I have concluded has the most scriptural support. I also know that I don't know which scenario God will make happen. I think it is reasonable to conclude none of you do either.

WHY do we all want to get into arguments - that's right, not discussions (although there certainly are some) but arguments over this? I don't know of any scripture that states that one must believe on the mid-trib (or whatever) rapture of the church in order to be saved.

Elsewhere I referred to these issues as nonessential scripture. If one was introducing someone to Jesus Christ would you use the "Romans road", or launch into an apologetic on post-trib rapture? Make no mistake, there are absolutes worth contending for; the deity of Christ - that He was and is God is one of those essentials that draws a dividing line between those who are Christian and these who are not. But why are we slicing and dicing the body over this?

I think all of us who belong to Jesus Christ would agree that salvation through Him is what is desperately needed now, regardless of what is coming or when. A person can rationalize all day that he or she is “contending for the faith” when the only thing being served is that person’s pride. What a waste. If one cannot discuss this issue with kindness, civility and care for those who have concluded differently about end times, then I respectfully recommend that you agree to disagree and just drop it, and get on with what really matters now.

71 posted on 06/22/2010 5:00:18 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

I finally have my answer.


72 posted on 06/22/2010 5:02:53 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

NO YOU HAVE YOUR DOGMA.


73 posted on 06/22/2010 5:10:12 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 70times7

Timing


74 posted on 06/22/2010 5:13:10 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: USALiberty

Possibly something involving Iran? Check out these other threads posted today:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2539258/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2539488/posts


75 posted on 06/22/2010 9:38:35 PM PDT by KittyKares (.)
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To: guitarplayer1953; GiovannaNicoletta
gp1953 you made a slight error in the starting point of your math.

24"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
25"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.
26"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Verse 24 tells us 70 weeks, correct?

Verse 25 then tells us there will be 7 weeks AND 62 weeks, correct?

Verse 26 tells us "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing,",

It does not say after 62-1/2 weeks the Messiah will be cut off, and it does not say that the Messiah will begin his ministry after 62 weeks.

Then it tells us after Messiah is cut off, that the city and sanctuary will be destroyed.

NOW...We can look at verse 27:

"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

The first 7 weeks have gone by, the next 62 weeks have gone by and Messiah is cut off, and the city and sanctuary are destroyed...NOW...HE will make a covenant for 1 week (7 years), but in the middle will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering.

Who is this HE? Messiah has already been cut off after week 62 (69), and now week 70 starts with a covenant which is broken by the the one who made it 1/2 way through.

76 posted on 06/22/2010 9:59:43 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: guitarplayer1953; GiovannaNicoletta
Just a thout GP, I see you posted using the KJV: 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off

I thought maybe you were confusing 3 score and 2 weeks with 3-1/2 years. A score is 20 years. So 3 score is 60, and 3 score and 2 is 62.

Just and fyi, if you made that mistake.

77 posted on 06/22/2010 10:35:10 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: battousai
"The only clear answer was God only knows, the rest of us get back to work :)"

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent" (John 6:29)
"...Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief." (Mark 9:24)
"And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe." (John 14:29)
"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord..." (2Timothy 1:7,8)
"...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." (Rev 19:10)
"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed..." (2 Peter 1:19)

78 posted on 06/23/2010 2:35:04 AM PDT by mitch5501 (top of the world ma!)
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To: mountn man
Daniel says 7 week three score and two week until Messiah which is 69 weeks the 70th week began with his public ministry and he was cut off in the middle of the week after 3.2 years of ministry which only leaves 3.5 year left to fulfill the clauses.

Da:9:24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Da:9:25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: (a total of 69 weeks) the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Da:9:26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Da:9:27: And he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many (Jews) for one week: and in the midst of the week(3.5 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,(temple sacrife not needed after the crusifiction) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,t (God gave the Jews 40 years to repent for the continuation of the sacrifice) even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

79 posted on 06/23/2010 12:28:33 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953
DeMar's Delusion

For interpreters like Gary DeMar, who advocate a continuous fulfillment view of all seventy weeks without a break, it is they who must put both the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem, some forty years later, into the final week of years which is only seven years in length. Yet, DeMar accuses those of us who see a gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth week as exercising"'silly-putty' exegesis,"[100] of stretching out this biblical timeframe in a manner not supported by the text itself. DeMar argues that Christ's death took place in the middle of the final week, which would then draw to a conclusion in a.d. 33 with the conversion of Paul (an event which in no way is even remotely alluded to in Gabriel's prophecy).[101] What DeMar fails to tell his readers is that while he rails against a gap, he is oh so silent about how to ram, cram, and jam two events separated by forty years into a seven year period. Perhaps his approach should be called "shoehorn" exegesis!

A closer look at DeMar's problem reveals a grave contradiction in his understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 and his view of Matthew 24:15 as having been fulfilled in a.d. 70. "The abomination of desolation is mentioned in one Old Testament book (Dan. 9:27;11:31; 12:11),"[102] declares DeMar. He then statesthat "[T]here was no doubt in the minds of those who read and understood Jesus' words in Matthew 24:15 that the abomination of desolation prophecy was fulfilled in events leading up to the temple's destruction in a.d. 70."[103] Clearly DeMar links the fulfillment of the abomination of desolation in Daniel 9:27, which will occur in the middle of the week, with the Roman destruction of the temple in a.d. 70, some 40 years later. Sorry Gary, but even with the flexibility of new math, the numbers don't add up. There is no way to ram, cram, and jam events that occurred at least forty years apart into seven years.

Randall Price notes that "the events in verse 26: 'the cutting off of Messiah,' and of'the people of the prince,' are stated to occur after the sixty-nine weeks. If this was intended to occur in the seventieth week,the text would have read here 'during' or 'in the midst of' (cf. Daniel's use of hetzi, 'in the middle of,'verse 27). This language implies that these events precede the seventieth week, but do not immediately follow the sixty-ninth. Therefore, a temporal interval separates the two."[104] Only the literal, futurist understanding of the seventy weeks of Daniel can harmonize in a precise manner the interpretation of this passage.

Messiah Will Be Cut Off

As I work my way through the various items to be tackled in the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, I will continue my focus on issues related to verse 26. We have seen thus far that verse 26 begins with the phrase "after the sixty-two weeks." The text goes on to describe three things that will take place at the end of the sixty-ninth week of years (i.e., 483 years). Therefore, in this installment, I will deal with three important phrases in verse 26. They are: 1) "the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing," 2) "the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary," and 3) "its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined." All evangelical interpreters agree that the cutting off of Messiah certainly refers to the death of Jesus. This fits perfectly into my interpretation thus far. Since the 483 years were fulfilled to the day on March 30, a.d. 33-the date of Christ's Triumphal Entry (Luke 19:28-40)-and Jesus was crucified four days later on April 3, a.d. 33, then it was an event that took place after the 483 years, but not during the final week of years. This textual point is recognized by many, including amillennialist E. B. Pusey who says, "[N]ot in, but after those three score and two weeks, it said Messiah shall be cut off."[105] "As this relates to the chronology of the prophecy," notes Dr. John Walvoord, "it makes plain that the Messiah will be living at the end of the sixty-ninth seventh and will be cut off, or die, soon after the end of it."[106] G. H. Pember further explains:

"Now, His crucifixion took place four days after His appearance as the Prince-that is, four days after the close of the Four Hundred and Eighty-third Year. Nevertheless, the prophecy does not represent this great event as occurring in the Seven Years which yet remained to be fulfilled. Here, then, is the beginning of an interval, which separates the Four Hundred and Eighty-threeYears from the final Seven".[107]

The next phrase "and have nothing," literally means "and shall have nothing." To what does this refer? Certainly Christ gained what was intended through His atoning death on the cross as far as paying for the sins of the world.

What was it that He came for but did not receive, especially in relationship to Israel and Jerusalem, which is the larger context of this overall passage? It was His Messianic Kingdom! Indeed, it will come, but not at the time in which He was cut off. Dr. Charles Feinberg declares, "it can only mean that He did not receive the Messianic kingdom at that time. When His own people rejected him (John 1:11), He did not receive what rightly belonged to Him."[108]It is because of Daniel's people (the Jews) rejection of Jesus as their Messiah that the Kingdom could come in. The coming of the Kingdom requires acceptance of Jesus as Messiah in order for it to be established in Jerusalem. The Kingdom will arrive by the time the final week is brought to fruition. Since Israel's kingdom has not yet arrived, this means it is future to our day. Therefore, we have just seen another reason why the final week of years is also future to our day.

The Prince Who Is To Come

Identity of the prince who is to come is a matter of considerable debate and discussion.The full statement says, "the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary." Perhaps the best way to determine the identity of this prince is to first look at what he is prophesied to do at his arrival upon the stage of history. The people of this coming prince will destroy the city, clearly a reference to Jerusalem because of the overall context, and also the sanctuary. What sanctuary was there in Jerusalem? It could be nothing else other than the Jewish temple. Has the city and the temple been destroyed? Yes! Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in a. d. 70 by the Romans. This cannot be a reference to a future time, since, as Dr. Walvoord notes, "there is no complete destruction of Jerusalem at the end of the age as Zechariah 14:1-3 indicates that the city is in existence although overtaken by war at the very moment that Christ comes back in power and glory. Accordingly, it is probably better to consider all of verse 26 fulfilled historically."[109]

The subject of this sentence is "the people," not "the prince who is to come." Thus, it is the people of the prince who is to come that destroys the city and the sanctuary. We have already identified the people as the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in a.d. 70 under the leadership of Titus. Yet, I believe that the prince who is to come is a reference to the yet to come Antichrist. Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost explains,

"The ruler who will come is that final head of the Roman Empire, the little horn of 7:8. It is significant that the people of the ruler, not the ruler himself, will destroy Jerusalem. Since he will be the final Roman ruler, the people of that ruler must be the Romans themselves.[110] The coming prince cannot be a reference to Christ, since He is said to be "cut off" in the prior sentence. This prince has to be someone who comes after Christ. The only two viable possibilities is that it could either refer to a Roman prince who destroyed Jerusalem in a.d.70 or a future Antichrist".

Why should we not see the prince who is to come as a reference to Titus who led the Roman conquest in a.d. 70? Because the emphasis of this verse is upon "the people," not the subordinate clause "the prince who is to come." This passage is apparently stated this way so that this prophecy would link the Roman destruction with the a.d. 70 event, but at the same time setting up the Antichrist to be linked to the final week of years to the first "he" in verse 27. He is not described as the prince coming with the people, but instead a detached and distant description, as one who is coming. This suggests that the people and the prince will not arrive in history together. Dr. Steven Miller adds, "but v. 27 makes clear that this'ruler' will be the future persecutor of Israel during the seventieth seven. 'The people of the rule' does not mean that the people 'belong to' the ruler but rather that the ruler will come from these people."[111] Interestingly our amillennial friends agree that this is a reference to theAntichrist as noted by Robert Culver:

"Neither is there any difficulty with our amillennial friends over the identity of "the coming prince," . . . Keil and Leupold recognize him as the final Antichrist, said to be "coming" because already selected for prophecy in direct language in chapter 7 as "the little horn," and in type in chapter 8 as "the little horn." Young thinks otherwise but is outweighed on his own "team."[112] The Seventy Weeks of Daniel

Let me get this straight- you have to mangle Scripture to the point that Jesus Christ is the Antichrist but I have my "dogma"? You can find no Scripture whatsoever to back up your claim that Jesus Christ is the Beast who will confirm a seven-year peace contract between Israel and her enemies, and I'm the one who has "dogma"?

I'm not the one with any dogma and I'm certainly not the one who is deluded.

80 posted on 06/23/2010 1:49:42 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
the 70 week prophecy is about Christ not the anti-christ. Show me a 7 year time period in revelations. the only temple left to build is the Ezekiel millennial one.
81 posted on 06/23/2010 2:02:45 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Read the previous post.

Learn something.

82 posted on 06/23/2010 2:11:15 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: guitarplayer1953; GiovannaNicoletta
I don't know where YOU...MAKE THIS STUFF UP.

There is NOWHERE in the BIBLE that states what your claiming.

SHOW ME

Like I posted before, and I'm posting with the very Word of God

Verse 26 tells us "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing,", It does not say after 62-1/2 weeks the Messiah will be cut off, and it does not say that the Messiah will begin his ministry after 62 weeks.

Now this is where you need to pay RRREEEEEAAALLLLL CLLLOOOOOSSSEE Attttteeennnttttiiion

Then it tells us after Messiah is cut off, that the city and sanctuary will be destroyed. NOW...We can look at verse 27: "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." The first 7 weeks have gone by, the next 62 weeks have gone by and Messiah is cut off, and the city and sanctuary are destroyed...NOW...HE will make a covenant for 1 week (7 years), but in the middle will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering. Who is this HE? Messiah has already been cut off after week 62 (69), and now week 70 starts with a covenant which is broken by the the one who made it 1/2 way through.

No matter how much you might twist stuff, and I don't care what some so called preacher says. THE WORD OF GOD IS CLEAR ON THIS

Verse 26 says AFTER the 62 weeks, Messiah will be cut off.

Verse 27 says: And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week

Timeline works like this,69 weeks Messiah cuttoff, THEN one week covenant made.

It doesn't get any clearer. You can hope and change and wish all you want, you cant' change the fact that verse 26 happens before 27, and that Messiah is cutoff BEFORE the one week covenant.

83 posted on 06/23/2010 9:39:16 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

there is no more grain offerings there has been the final sacrifice by Christ there is no temple the only temple left is Ezekiel’s and that is the millennial temple. If you are waiting for a temple to be built and the abomination of grain and animal sacrifices to start up again before the return of Christ you will never see it.


84 posted on 06/24/2010 7:38:37 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953; GiovannaNicoletta
there is no more grain offerings there has been the final sacrifice by Christ there is no temple the only temple left is Ezekiel’s and that is the millennial temple. If you are waiting for a temple to be built and the abomination of grain and animal sacrifices to start up again before the return of Christ you will never see it.

Paul says otherwise.

2 Thessalonians 2: 1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the TEMPLE of God, displaying himself as being God.

Derned Bible, proves you wrong again.

Thanks for playing

Hey GP you're even talked about in the Bible

2 thess. 2:11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

85 posted on 06/24/2010 8:15:33 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: USALiberty

bflr


86 posted on 06/24/2010 8:21:27 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: USALiberty; All; Quix; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; Ann de IL; aragorn; auggy; autumnraine; ..

Thank you USALiberty; I am pinging Quix’s Level Two End Times list though I realize you folks thereon don’t see the “Rapture Ready” issue all the same way, this seems to be a good thread to put this on, and thanks,

Hat-tip to Charmaine Eggers at

http://runningfrombabylon.blogspot.com/

for the following excerpt of a riveting article written by

Joseph Herrin

“Then Comes the End...”

On July 11, 2010 (1st of Av - Hebrew calendar) the date of the 3rd total solar eclipse in three years, Bob Sheppard, the longtime public address announcer for the NY Yankees baseball team died. He was 99 years old. Two days later, on July 13, George Steinbrenner, the longtime owner of the same sports franchise, died of a heart attack. He was 80 years old.

There are reasons I believe this to be a prophetic sign. The word Yankee is used worldwide as a reference to the citizens of America. George Steinbrenner, the owner of the Yankees, was born on the 4th of July, 1930. He serves as symbol of the American nation, being born on the day of the nation’s birth, and owning the ultimate symbol of America, her premiere baseball team. His worldly success is a symbol of the American dream. He bought a floundering sports franchise for $10 million dollars and built it into a behemoth valued at $1.6 billion dollars today.

George Steinbrenner had just experienced his 81st 4th of July. The number 81 is 9 times 9. In the Scriptures the number 9 denotes judgment. Furthermore, Steinbrenner died 9 days after he witnessed his 81st Independence Day.

Bob Sheppard was 99. This is a multiple of the numbers 9 and 11. The number 9 once more denotes judgment, and 11 denotes disintegration and disorder.

END OF EXCERPT

http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/then-comes-end.html


87 posted on 07/16/2010 10:53:27 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Joya

Thanks for the ping!


88 posted on 07/16/2010 10:56:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Joya

Those are interesting numbers, to say the least.

The numbers that added up on that horrible day, 9/11/01, were also interesting.

Gematria(The Hebrew Study of Biblical Numerology), Bible Codes, and other calculations are all very intriguing, but I try not to let them take my eyes off of Jesus, Who is Our Blessed Hope.

BUT! Time is getting Short.

THAT is pretty plain!

Anyone who would like to come to Our Garden of Prayer to pray For The peace of Jerusalem, according to Psalm 122:6, is welcome. It is a Prayer Thread, so we don’t debate, we just pray.

Ping me if you are interested.


89 posted on 07/16/2010 11:07:22 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Joya
On July 11, 2010 (1st of Av - Hebrew calendar) the date of the 3rd total solar eclipse in three years, [...]

Thanks for your posting, sister... But it misses the point. The fact that the eclipse happened for three years running on the 1st of Av is the bit that holds portent:

"The Nine Days inaugurates an even greater level of communal and personal mourning in recognition of the many tragedies and calamities that befell the Jewish people at this time."

The Nine Days culminates with Tisha B'Av.

It is almost certainly a portent of great calamity.

We need to pay great attention to (as in "observe") the Holy Days that God ordained.

90 posted on 07/16/2010 4:50:22 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: mlizzy

No, believe not as you like, but through faith in Christ and what God has provided for us.


91 posted on 07/16/2010 8:08:28 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

So the Church didn’t exist until after 70AD?

The Temple is determined by God, by His Sovereignty, not by man.


92 posted on 07/16/2010 8:10:33 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: mountn man

Great post!


93 posted on 07/17/2010 9:15:17 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: mlizzy; mountn man
I do not decipher the Lord's Word on my own, but through the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church.

Why would you turn over your free salvation to men in Rome?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
94 posted on 07/17/2010 9:26:45 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: battousai

While I agree, people should live their lives (and live them as if they will meet Jesus at any moment) clearly, there are verses that point to us *watching*. Interestingly (I have been a member of Rapture Ready for a number of years, altho I don’t post often anymore) they forbid date setting. We won’t know the hour or the day, but in Luke 21:28-36 Jesus certainly indicates we can know the season.
I think we all have different tasks and gifts. Some people are interested in studying end times and being *watchers*. They can certainly use this as a witnessing tool.
But, everyone, no matter what their gift or task should be about the business of witnessing. We can’t let an interest in something consume us to the point where we are not using it as He intended.


95 posted on 07/17/2010 9:29:38 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: mlizzy

If you recall Peter was afraid when they took Jesus to be crucified. Does that mean he wasn’t a true Christian? If you think about the sort of suffering that will go on in the tribulation, I don’t think anyone WANTS to go thru it. And if they think they do, it’s because they don’t really conceive how bad it will be.
I don’t think it’s really fair to question someone’s salvation based on how much they want to suffer.


96 posted on 07/17/2010 9:37:38 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: dps.inspect

I am pretrib mainly because I hope it is. But, my faith is not predicated on any of this happening as I envision it. I (and the rest of us) are likely wrong about at least parts of it.
BTW saw a supposed UFO from China video on Fox this morning. Have not had a chance to look that up yet, but it was the strangest thing I’ve seen (that didn’t come from a movie studio). We live in interesting times.


97 posted on 07/17/2010 9:39:48 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

If you discern the Bible on your own, you, in essence, become your own pope, and, in fact, that’s probably why we have tens of thousands of non-Catholic faiths ...


98 posted on 07/17/2010 9:46:21 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: brytlea
I don’t think it’s really fair to question someone’s salvation based on how much they want to suffer.
Maybe it would be better if I said that our salvation will be based on how well we handle the suffering that Christ has allowed us. That is to say, to suffer like Jesus, with love and joy for even our enemies. Not easy to do, but all things are possible with God ... :)
99 posted on 07/17/2010 9:59:33 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy
Become a Follower of Yah'shua(Jesus).

The Holy Spirit will guide you in reading the Holy Word of G-d.

Trust Yah'shua as He said so:

15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Shabbat Shalom !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

100 posted on 07/17/2010 10:08:45 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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