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Posted on 07/01/2010 9:03:55 AM PDT by Mad Dawg
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Do you know where that’s from?
>>I want to join in, but I must be convinced within myself that the Love of the TRUTH is the reason for the gathering.<<
Do you mean “your” truth? Isn’t that why we pray to be humble?
This isn’t at all about the “Love of Truth”. Because praying this is not for others but rather to bring humility onto one’s self. Or at least that’s my take on it.
Much of the problem here is indiscreet zeal.
To the same person. On intemperate and indiscreet zeal.
I see, my dear Sister, that a mistaken zeal exposes you to dangers all the more serious because they are hidden under the most insidious appearances. Desire for the perfection of our neighbour is, doubtless, very good; the pain that is felt interiorly 202at the sight of his defects is good also, provided it proceeds from a pure desire for his perfection, But with all this there must needs be mingled much secret self-complacency, confidence in ones own superior light, and severity towards ones neighbour. Zeal such as this cannot, you must well understand, come from God; it is an illusion of the devil, hurtful to yourself and to others. However, the evil can be easily cured provided you are sincere enough, and submissive enough to recognise the gravity of it, and to apply the remedy. That which I am about to offer you has already produced a very happy result in a soul which was subject to the same illusion. Let us hope it will not be less efficacious in your case.
I advise you, therefore, and command you in the most sacred name of Jesus Christ, and that of His divine Mother, never more to think of practising the virtue of zeal as long as this prohibition is not expressly removed. I exculpate you before God absolutely, and I take upon myself the responsibility of all the ill consequences that may result from this prohibition. If you should get scruples about it, and the devil should put in your mind that you could do some good or avert some evil, say to God, My God, although charity is the queen of virtues, I may not practise this zeal until You have made me able to do so without detriment to the charity I owe to others and to myself. When I am found to be sufficiently strong, or rather sufficiently humble, to exercise zeal without disturbing the peace of my soul, and with all possible sweetness, compassion, and thoughtfulness for my neighbour, and a helpfulness, kindness and charity which nothing can embitter, a charity which is scandalised at nothing but its own shortcomings; with all that patience and long-suffering which enables one tranquilly to endure the defects of others, and for as long as You will suffer them, Oh, my God; and when I am neither troubled, nor uneasy, nor astonished that others are incorrigible, then this prohibition will be removed, and I shall be able to think that I can glorify You in my neighbour. But until then, Oh, my God, I must exercise my zeal on myself, in the correction of my numerous defects.
In fact, my very dear Sister, when humility has dug that deep foundation indispensable to every virtue, I shall be the first to urge you to resume the practice of zeal; until then think only of yourself. Remember that God, to punish those who have practised this indiscreet zeal, and to correct them, has often allowed them to fall into much graver faults than those which has scandalised them in others.
In the second place I command you never to speak of God, or of anything good, unless in a spirit of humility and meekness, in an amiable and gracious manner, with moderation and 203encouragement, and never with bitterness and severity, or in a way to wound and repel those who hear you, because, although you may only say what is in the Gospel and in the best books, I believe that in your present state of mind you might say it very badly and in such a way as only to do harm. Did not Satan make use of the words of Holy Scripture to tempt our Lord? Truth is the proper relation of things. It is changed when pushed to extremes, or wrongly applied. Your peevish temper is like a smoked glass, which, if you do not take care will prevent you seeing things in their true light, or showing them to others. Keep always on your guard against this fatal influence, and feed your mind on thoughts and feelings that are contrary to those inspired by temper. Entertain yourself and others with conversations on the infinite goodness of God, and on the confidence we ought to have in Him. Compel yourself to offer an example in your whole conduct, of a virtue that has no bounds, and which imposes no restraint on others. If you have nothing kind to say keep silent, and leave the care of deciding to others. They can avoid better than you too much laxness, and will be exact without being severe. If exactitude be praiseworthy, severity is blamable, it does nothing but revolt people instead of convincing them, and embitter their souls instead of gaining them. As much as true meekness, with the help of God, has power to repel evil and to win to good, so much has an excessive harshness power to make goodness difficult and evil incurable. The first is edifying, the latter, destructive.
Phew! That was CLOSE!
"I AM the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me."
Why would we pray for humility, self-abnegation, the scorn of the world ... except out of love for Jesus, who suffered all that we naturally struggle to avoid?
Jesus, Lamb of God
who takes away the sin of the world.
Have Mercy on us.
Grant us they peace.
If that’s the truth the svitw was talking about, does that poster doubt that we love Christ?
I have no idea. I can't imagine why anyone would pray this litany, with a sincere heart, for any other reason except to magnify Christ. Or why anyone with an insincere heart would pray it at all. Perhaps we've all got the reservation ... "but don't make it too bad, please!" ... but nonetheless, we all want to want to be sincerely humble, right?
no, I do not mean “my” truth. I mean The Truth. Love of The Truth. It builds bridges and mends fences and endures all. It raises us up and strengthens us when we are weak. It calls to us, not condemns. It waits with patience to be discovered and shouts with joy when it is. It never changes and is dependable, even unto the end. It shows us our past, guides us in our present, and promises us its unending, unwaivering allegiance in the future.
Of course I don’t doubt that you love Christ. I’m talking about the truth of God’s Word. Please don’t misunderstand what I was saying. It was not my intention to disrupt your thread or accuse you of something that obviously isn’t true. Your love of Christ is apparent, and I would never say or imply anything to the contrary. Maranatha!
Unnngh. As an editor, I can't stop myself ... but it's nothing personal ...
Are you suggesting that "Christ" and "the truth of God's Word" could ever be in conflict?
whole religions have been formed on loving Christ, yet denying/changing/deminishing God’s Word. You know that. No, Christ and the truth of God’s Word can NEVER be in conflict. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”.
Because I have such respect for Mad Dawg, I will join you tomorrow. But I do so with trepidation, as I seem to have offended some of you already, without meaning to offend. I do apologize if my comments were taken not as I meant them to be. Mad Dawg knows. Maranatha!
CHARIOTS OF FIRE’S THEME IS ON
CERTAINLY AND LIKEWISE. No forgiveness necessary but fully given just in case.
Though I think you are about as offensive as a white bunny baby when one needs a warm fuzzy.
Me . . . on the other hand . . . LOL.
Daily pings with a reposting of the prayer in the pings would be good.
I have it all printed several times for different places I’m usually still and prayerful at.
Good stuff, alright.
WELL PUT. THX.
A good essay, exhortation.
Lovely. Thanks for posting...
THE WHOLE THING will fit on one page in Word if one chooses narrow margins and puts it in two columns.
Bless you Bro.
I think it’s wonderful you added this. I have been thinking these exact same words and saying them in my head since yesterday! MUST be the Lord!!
The litany of humility is absolutely beautiful! What a great reminder.
“Grace be unto you and peace, from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
This is your a little bit before 7:00 AM (EDT) wake-up call!
“The prayer of a righteous man availeth much.” Maybe we ain’t righteous, but maybe the prayer of a bunch of sinners will avail somewhat. Can’t hurt, huh?
Please scroll to the top of the page and join in prayer.
God bless you all!
Please add me to the list. Thank you!
Apparently the cardinal was quite a guy. I was turned onto this prayer by my dear friend and former pastor, Fr. Brian Mulcahy, O.P. We agreed that it is almost frightening in its listing of what it means to cast all one’s hope on Jesus.
Yep. Frightening. Bring it! I may fail, but Jesus will stand.
I have taken the liberty of adding your name to my morning ping list for this time of prayer.
One of the saints suggested I invite you to join us. Please consider yourself/selves invited.
Mind you, I think we should be praying for you. I would think moderating Xtian threads would provide a great temptation to become a Buddhist — or at least to join an order where speech is forbidden.
Wow! What a recommendation -- LOL!
Sure, put me on!
At least, nothing interesting that she’ll detail for her mother ;-).
Amen to that — despite all the vicious fights, it’s good to pray with our fellow believers in Christ and also to pray for our brethren in the Judaic faith and our fellow God’s creatures among Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Sikhs
Thank you - I look forward to participating. Which Cardinal wrote that litany?
Or St. Francis. After all, that is his prayer.
Since Independence Day occurs within this Novena, my prayers will include the USA, and a litany of humility for its leaders, since it was indeed founded upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thank you Mad Dawg for this thread.
I was actually surprised when I found FR had a religion forum and Religion Moderator (poor guy/gal).
Anyway, many of the threads lately have descended into incendiary commentary of which I’m as guilty as others for getting sucked into.
FR should be a place where we can openly and cordially discuss faith however I strongly believe that we have more in common, core conservatism, than we might know.
Thank you again Mad Dawg for this virtual Sunday afternoon ice-cream social, prayer meeting, etc..
(Pontifex Maximus Smiley)
I think this is refreshing and needed after our sparring on the RF threads.
Christ would approve.
A fact I wish were more widely known.
Thanks for the ping....I had forgotten already.
About to take the three children out in public. That’s usually a humbling experience......
Ha! Ha! Love ya, Quix.
Can’t think of anything to say but the one thing that’s so BASIC: Brothers And Sisters In Christ. Amen!
Being Spanish, he probably needed lots of help in the humility department.
I appreciate the prayers.