Skip to comments.How did Jacob see *GOD* Face to Face? Genesis 32:30
Posted on 07/05/2010 11:10:25 AM PDT by TaraP
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Yes..because that is how we signal the Holy Spirit through prayer...
Through the pineal gland? Care to document that?
Wow, Tzfat, thank you for the Hebrew Words!
Do you speak Yiddish also? I understand a lot of Yiddish, and although a lot of Yiddish words are Germanic or Slavic in origin, the word for “face” is “punim” which has a similar sound to the Hebrew word you used for face. (panyim).
Please be patient with my ignorance, as I am actually an Irish Indian, and a Bass-Player to boot(LOL), and I am trying to teach myself these things using an Interlinear Bible. It IS a Struggle!
Do you think there is a relationship between the two words?
...do you think that God established the Bible for us to read into it what we will...
No. But in His wisdom, I think He sometimes may have had writers write precisely what He meant.
Too many times, I think, people treat the Bible as if it were a game, like Clue, and flail away trying to find a hidden meaning.
BTW, my take on the Trinity is "three Persons in One." I don't pretend to comprehend it.
I am saying what Jesus said...
The Kingdom of GOD is within you and outside of you.....
If we are created in the *Likeness of GOD* what does that mean? the way GOD looks? the way GOD operates? the way GOD thinks?
We are not GOD we are his creation...We can look within ourselves to connect with the Spirt of GOD which I believe is in our Brain and Heart....
I believe this: “a time, and times, and half a time”
Do you know how long that is?
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
O LORD, you have searched me
and you know me.
2 You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.
3 You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.
4 Before a word is on my tongue
you know it completely, O LORD.
5 You hem me inbehind and before;
you have laid your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too lofty for me to attain.
7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
This gland is involved in the regulation of melatonin synthesis. It acts as a link between the nervous system and the endocrine (hormonal) system. A rhythmic melatonin signal from the pineal controls photoperiod (day length differences of summer and winter) responses in many species showing seasonal cycles in reproduction, moulting and other processes.
What an image.
Do you think that scripture in Genesis is Jacob encountering G-D through the Pineal Gland? Is that spoken of in the Zohar?
I was referring to verse 30.
Yep - a growing exegetical problem with many who think they have really latched on to something.
The two words being compared and connected are in no-way connected in reality. Very dangerous method of “interpreting”...
Oh, OK. I know a lot of it from Show Business. It is an extremely colorful and expressive language, but it is, of course, the language of Diaspora, which, Thank G-d, is no more.
Leo Rosen wrote a book called “The Joys of Yiddish” which has a lot of very humorous stories and proverbs from the language.
A lot of American English words are from this rapidly disappearing language, and people don’t even realize it.
The word “Boss” is from Yiddish.
The word “OK” is from Lakota! (not my Tribe, but nearby!):-)
That would be the most logical and exegetically correct.
He saw Christ face to face, not the Father
Why is Everything blasphemy??
Do you even know the meaning?
So many Christians are unaware that Christian theologists believe Jesus came many times to men in the OT.
He is usually described as “The Angel of the Lord”.
For instance, in the fire with Daniel. If you read the verses where it talks about this particular angel, you can usually see a verse or two down where the Angel will make or act as God, for instance, accepting worship, or declaring something only God can say.
Gen. 32: 30 I have seen God face to face.
Ex. 3: 6 Moses . . . was afraid to look upon God.
Ex. 19: 11 Lord will come down in the sight of all the people.
Ex. 19: 21 charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze.
Ex. 24: 11 nobles of the children of Israel . . . saw God.
Ex. 33: 11 Lord spake unto Moses face to face.
Num. 12: 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth.
Deut. 34: 10 Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.
Judg. 13: 22 We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
1 Kgs. 11: 9 Lord . . . had appeared unto him twice.
Isa. 6: 5 mine eyes have seen . . . the Lord.
Matt. 11: 27 Father . . . to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
John 14: 21 I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Acts 7: 56 I see . . . the Son of man standing on the right hand.
Heb. 12: 14 holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
1 Jn. 3: 2 we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
Rev. 1: 17 when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead.
Rev. 22: 4 they shall see his face.
He, as so many others in the Old Testament accounts of history, saw the Second Person of the Trinity. It is called a Christophany.
What Jesus said, in Greek, was “entoV umwn”, which Thayer’s and many translations read as “among you (plural)” or
“in your midst”, which agrees with the context and N.T. understanding of what the kingdom is.