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New San Fran Bishop: Sanctions against Pro-Abort Pols Makes Church Too 'Republican'
Life Site News ^ | 7/6/10 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 07/07/2010 6:22:10 AM PDT by marshmallow

SAN FRANCISCO, July 6, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The newly-appointed auxiliary bishop of San Francisco has in the past criticized Catholic Church policy disallowing politicians who promote abortion from receiving Holy Communion, saying that such a move would make the Church appear too "partisan," "Republican" and "coercive."

Msgr. Robert McElroy made the statements in a 2005 column for America magazine, in which he criticized Newark Archbishop John Myers for maintaining the policy against public figures who promote the murder of unborn children. Canon 915 of the Church's Code of Canon Law states that "those who have been excommunicated ... and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion."

The Vatican on Tuesday appointed McElroy to the San Francisco diocese, where he currently serves as a priest.

In his column, McElroy began by noting that "the theological starting point for those who advocate eucharistic sanctions is a sound one," inasmuch as the support of Catholic leaders for "abortion rights" represents a scandal and "a major failure in church life." However, he went on to call the notion that Catholics who vote in favor of the legalized killing of the unborn have excommunicated themselves "a novel and open-ended theory," citing Archbishop Myers' statement that such figures are "not objectively in communion with Christ and His Church."

McElroy objected that the notion of automatic excommunication "casts aside all the limitations and admonitions to pastoral solicitude that the church has traditionally demanded" in such cases. Citing the Church's traditionally prudential handling of scandal, the monsignor claimed that the benefits of denying Communion are "heavily outweighed" by other considerations, such as that the move would be "perceived by Americans ... as coercive" and make abortion appear to be a "sectarian Catholic issue."

"The imposition of eucharistic sanctions solely on candidates who support abortion legislation will inevitably transform the church in the United States, in the minds of many, into a partisan, Republican-oriented institution," he wrote.

"It does not matter that eucharistic sanctions would be fully within the legitimate moral and civil rights of the church to adopt, and that those who have attacked them as a violation of the separation of church and state are totally in error in their understanding of the constitutional tradition of the United States," wrote McElroy. "What does matter enormously is that Americans will in general recoil from the use of the Eucharist as a political weapon, and will reassess their overall opinion of the church’s role in the political order."

One prominent bishop in a nearby diocese, however, disagrees with McElroy that the pros outweigh the cons.

Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix, one of the most outspokenly pro-life bishops in the U.S., wrote last month that failing to call pro-abortion Catholic politicians to account when they profess to reconcile their views on abortion with their Catholic faith "inevitably leads to more evil acts in the future."

While the bishop did not mention communion in his latest column, in the past Olmsted has made clear that pro-abort Catholics should not receive, and should even be denied communion. In a booklet released in 2006, the bishop wrote that such politicians “cannot receive Holy Communion without previously making a good confession.”

In 2005 the Phoenix bishop made himself even clearer, telling IgnatiusInsight: "So anyone who has had an abortion, or has participated in one, or euthanasia, or who would be promoting those things, or have failed to protect human life while in a position where they could protect it – such as a politician or a judge – they should not be receiving Communion. If they persisted in it after [Church teaching] was presented to them, then I think the priest or deacon should not give them Communion in that case."

"Evil acts, in themselves, are the greatest source of scandal," wrote the bishop in last month’s column on scandal. "When the perpetrators are not called to account, then they are emboldened to do even worse deeds."

"Since some scandals are more grievous than others, remaining silent about the scandal given by those with greater influence in the Church or society has far more toxic effects than silence about other scandals," he noted.

Whether or not such a sanction is viewed as cruel or coercive, said Olmsted, such correction "is not an act of presumed superiority" but is "an act of fraternal love that desires our brother see and admit his mistake, to repent and find new life in the rich mercy of God."

Olmsted's opinion is backed by strong and repeated admonitions from Archbishop Raymond Burke, head of the Apostolic Signatura, the Catholic Church's highest court. Burke has confirmed that bishops have "no choice" but to deny Communion to publicly pro-abortion Catholics.


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Another Bernardin admirer, by the sounds of it.
1 posted on 07/07/2010 6:22:13 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

” ... The Vatican on Tuesday appointed McElroy to the San Francisco diocese, where he currently serves as a priest. ... “

This is truly troubling. Complain to the Vatican. Pray for the Church.


2 posted on 07/07/2010 6:34:46 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: marshmallow; Irisshlass; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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3 posted on 07/07/2010 6:37:18 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: marshmallow

Is it true to say that most of the Bishops such as Cardinal Mahoney are more loyal to the Democratic party than the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?


4 posted on 07/07/2010 6:39:27 AM PDT by ardara
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To: marshmallow

Wouldn’t coddling illegals make the church too “Azatlan”?


5 posted on 07/07/2010 6:39:27 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ardara

That certainly seems to be true for some bishops. I’m not sure what percentage.


6 posted on 07/07/2010 6:42:27 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
The newly-appointed auxiliary bishop of San Francisco [Msgr. Robert McElroy] has in the past criticized Catholic Church policy disallowing politicians who promote abortion from receiving Holy Communion, saying that such a move would make the Church appear too "partisan," "Republican" and "coercive."

Msgr. Robert McElroy must believe it's impossible for the Church to appear too "Democrat".

7 posted on 07/07/2010 6:44:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: marshmallow

I think the Democratic Party platform would get more support from the Bishops than taking strong action against pro -abortion Catholic politicians.


8 posted on 07/07/2010 6:51:17 AM PDT by ardara
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To: marshmallow
The newly-appointed auxiliary bishop of San Francisco has in the past criticized Catholic Church policy disallowing politicians who promote abortion from receiving Holy Communion, saying that such a move would make the Church appear too "partisan," "Republican" and "coercive."

Well, your excellency ... how about the fact that you're aiding in these people committing a sacrilege by receiving while in a state of mortal sin?

This one apparently didn't learn much while in seminary.

9 posted on 07/07/2010 6:55:02 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: marshmallow

What makes me think that Levada and Mahony are behind this?


10 posted on 07/07/2010 7:02:46 AM PDT by rogator
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To: Alex Murphy
Msgr. Robert McElroy must believe it's impossible for the Church to appear too "Democrat".

Apparently. OTOH, his statement is a (perhaps unwitting) condemnation of the democRat Party. He's as much as admitting that most or all of the pro-death "catholic" politicians are also democRats.

11 posted on 07/07/2010 7:06:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow
I support denial of Sacraments, and of course, eventual excommunication of politicians, but also of anyone that openly denies the teachings of the Church. It's just that a politician is in a position to change the laws and is of greater sin than someone just holding a contrary opinion.

Denying Sacraments to politicians would send a message to others that the Church is not a democratic fraternity that just anyone can join and violate the rules. The reason Christians are against abortion is we believe all life comes from God and He is sovereign over it. We don't have the right to overrule His Will in the matter. The baby is a life that has been given to the mother and father by God and we will be judged by what we do to the child until God takes him/her back to Himself. The mother is mistaken to believe that she can do as she wishes because the child "belongs" to her. The Bible tells us that when we get to heaven we will recognize our loved ones, but that we will be there to worship Jesus and Him alone. Our wives and family will be there to do the same and we will no longer be married to them, but married to Jesus. God provides us with life and can do as He wishes with what belongs to Him. We don't have the right to murder His creation.

A politician or judge could uphold the laws of God or man made law, but by defying God's Laws, he/she has lost His rights before God to represent Him by name. A wife takes her husbands last name and leaves her maiden name when she marries, so who would want to claim a wife that defies their husband and dishonors his name? If you can't obey your husband, then there should be a divorce. If you can't follow Christ openly, they why keep His name? A politician wouldn't run for office saying they are Catholic and then say they hate God and all His stupid rules and be able to be elected, but it seems that someone can say they are Catholic, appear on TV with ashes on their foreheads, and then trash God's instructions to His people and still be considered a Catholic. That has nothing to do with being Dem or Repub, but being in rebellion to God.

This isn't about what the pope says or a Bishop says, but about what God says He requires of us to follow Him. It's the same with gay marriage and other hot topics that are circulating today. If we can't agree with what God has set up for His Kingdom, then why not be a Muslim or Buddhist or some other subject of a foreign kingdom that you could agree with? The only religion I know of that murders baby's is pagan anyway. There are many people in other religions that would disagree with me, but really, they are in disagreement with God. Infidelity with the Church is nothing new, but ignoring punishment is fairly new. If someone wants to divorce Jesus, then by all means, go fornicate with someone else. Jesus won't take a harlot for a wife anyway.

12 posted on 07/07/2010 7:13:14 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: All

McElroy has forgotten he is to obey Jesus Christ and His Church...

Not his Leftist buddies that think compassion comes from government.

“...the road to hell is paved...”


13 posted on 07/07/2010 7:22:56 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: marshmallow

The church making a statement and then following up on it censoring anyone who violates it’s basic tenant is not political, even if some of those censored happen to be liberal politicians.

This priest is the one politicizing the issue by making such a ridiculous statement trying to defend the liberal anti-life position those pols who try and call themselves Catholic have taken.

The Vatican, sooner or later, will have to take action against some of the very liberal, actually anti-catholic individuals who have infiltrated the ranks of the priesthood and are acting against the church from within.

The catholic church, like our own government has been infiltrated. The sappers are under the wire and deep within the perimeter. In our government, they are in fact not only inside, but they are running the command post.

That’s why on July 4th I put the following on my http://www.jeffhead.com site where it will remain until Obama is out of office:

“Barack Hussein Obama, hear us, loyal Americans whose bloodlines run deep in this land, back to the founding & beyond, who have watered the ground of this nation & foreign soils to maintain our liberty & constitution: Molon Labe-Sic Semper Tyranus-De Oppresso Liber. Your Marxism shall not stand in this land, so help us God!” - Jeff Head, July 3, 2010


14 posted on 07/07/2010 7:25:30 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: marshmallow
ardara: Is it true to say that most of the Bishops such as Cardinal Mahoney are more loyal to the Democratic party than the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?
marshmallow: That certainly seems to be true for some bishops. I’m not sure what percentage.

If we're counting auxilary bishops, I'd guess at least two-thirds who don't see a conflict between the two.

Related threads:
[Archbishop] Wuerl: Why I Won't Deny Pelosi Communion
The Bishops Who Speak... And Those Who Don't

15 posted on 07/07/2010 7:26:56 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: ArrogantBustard
OTOH, his statement is a (perhaps unwitting) condemnation of the democRat Party. He's as much as admitting that most or all of the pro-death "catholic" politicians are also democRats.

Good observation.

16 posted on 07/07/2010 7:28:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: chuckles
PS. The same rules apply to the Churches. My fear is the inmates are over the asylum and outnumber the followers of Christ. They somehow feel their opinion is more valid than the Word of God and are changing the Church. Remember that Judas was a member of the first Church and a follower of Christ. Our enemies can come from within. To have Bishops, Cardinals, and priests bold enough to openly go against the Church is freighting for me. To have a majority of Catholics voting for Obama is frightening for me. Where is the discernment of the Spirit among the Church today? A few complaints to a few people don't seem to have much effect, but an upheaval may be in the cars in the future. I hate to see it, but I won't remain in an apostate church anymore than I will remain silent in an America that has lost it's way.

I don't really know what I will do if the Church continues to do what it is doing, but something has to change, and soon. Marching around in robes and pretending everything is fine while the parishioners are in open rebellion won't make "it" go away. Members of the Church of Corinth were proud that they were tolerant of the sexual sin of one of their members. but Paul told them to confront him and if that didn't work, throw him out. The Bible has the wisdom of God in it's pages, so why is it so difficult to follow what He has set out for His people? It's not really up to a Bishop somewhere to decide who is "too Republican", but to follow the Word of God and leave earthly things to condemned people.

17 posted on 07/07/2010 7:38:49 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: marshmallow

We should expect Cardinal Re’s parting gifts to continue to fall over the next few months, before Cardinal Ouellet gets to take firm control over the Congregation for Bishops.


18 posted on 07/07/2010 8:13:38 AM PDT by cmj328 (Got ruthless?)
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To: marshmallow

I think the guy got the wrong Church. The Episcopal cathedral is up on Nob Hill. That’s where he belongs.


19 posted on 07/07/2010 8:28:31 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: ardara

“Is it true to say that most of the Bishops such as Cardinal Mahoney are more loyal to the Democratic party than the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?”

It would be true to say they are more loyal to communism, which is to say, loyal to Satan, than they are to the Church.

These days people like to think of the “political spectrum” as eminating right and left from some ideal “center.”

Not so.

The political spectrum runs from Satan on the left to God on the right. Being “in the center” just means that a person is a lot further from God than he should be.


20 posted on 07/07/2010 8:49:51 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: marshmallow

Sounds like a leftist dimocrat.

Pray for life.


21 posted on 07/07/2010 9:29:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ardara
The dimocrats' platform includes the support of abortion. There is no bishop that should be a dimocrat dimwit. Just in case we have all forgotten here are some older links (against the Obamacare/healthcare passage) to glance through.

A bad bill and how we got it (Archbishop Chaput on "a failure of decent lawmaking")
Denver Archbishop Criticizes CHA 'Counter-Witness' Against Bishops on Health Care
Catholic Bishops’ Plea to Congress: Do Not Pass Pro-abortion Health Care Bill
U.S. Bishops’ final plea to Congressmen: Do not pass pro-abortion health care bill
U.S. Bishops’ final plea to Congressmen: Do not pass pro-abortion health care bill

Cardinal O'Malley rips pro-Obama Catholics on health care
U.S. bishops, dissenting Catholics face off in in health care debate
Practical Politics 101 (remedial: for US bishops) [Is it time to contact our Bishops?]
Opinion: Speaker Pelosi’s Bishop Corrects her Once Again. Call to Catholic Action.
Pelosi’s archbishop slams her rationale for supporting abortion

Mandated Abortion Coverage Threatens Health Care Reform, U.S. Bishops Official Says
Alveda King: Reid's Racial Insensitivity Exceeded by Disregard for Unborn
U.S. bishops reactivate nationwide campaign against federal abortion funding
Battle Over Abortion Funding in Congress Pits Catholics Against Each Other
New Catholic mandate on comatose patients

The US Catholic Bishops and Health Care Reform: A Failure of Imagination
US Bishops' Biggest Hope: Life-Affirming Care for All
Abortion Debate Shows the Catholic Bishops' Growing Influence
The Catholic case against health-care reform
Pro-Life Leaders Launch Opposition to Senate Health Bill Following Nelson Amendment Demise

With pro-life amendment's defeat, US bishops urgently call for changes in Senate health bill
More Proof that the US Catholic Bishops are Leading the Charge in Abortion Battle
Bishops Urge Senators to Support [Abortion]Amendment on Health Care; Urge Constituents to Back It
Bishops urged to be tough on pols who would pay for abortion
Health reform still full of thorny problems for Catholics (Vasa comes out for subsidiarity)

Healthcare and Catholics: True and False Arguments

Meddling Bishops Interfere in Political Process

How the Stupak-Pitts Amendment May Change Our Politics
Health Care and the Power of the Bishops' Conference
US Bishops: Abortion Isn't Health Care
Denver Archbishop Chaput says promises were broken on abortion
Catholic Bishops: Health Care Bill ... ‘Money-Laundering System’ for Funding Abortion

Catholic Caucus: The Bishops Go On Offense
US bishops conference mounts late drive against 'unacceptable' health-care reform
Catholic Bishops Urge Members to Oppose Abortion Funding in Health Care Plan [Catholic Uprising!]
Bishops Announce Unprecedented Massive Catholic Opposition to Obamacare
Bishops Call for Massive Catholic Opposition to Abortion in Current Health Care Reform

Archbishop Charles Chaput on the Current Struggle Between Catholics and "Caesar"
The Bishop's Ax Falls on Obama. And on the Vatican Curia (bombshell article)
US Bishops: Heath Package Still Funding Abortions (Urge Congress to Keep Working)
Catholic Bishops Declare They Will ‘Vigorously’ Oppose Health Care Bill as It Now Stands
Bishops Restate Vow vs. Obamacare's Abortion

Important: US Bishops taking the gloves off on health care reform
BREAKING: Catholic Bishops On Health Care - Change Bills Or Else
U.S. bishops warn of vigorous opposition if Congress fails to fix health care bills
List: *41* Bishops against Obamacare (and counting!)
Bishop Murphy Issues Video Statement on Health Care Reform [Diocese of Rockville Centre]

Health Care Principles [Bishop Samuel Aquila, Fargo, ND]
Florida Bishop [Thomas Wenski] Weighs in on Health Care Reform
ObamaCare and Catholic social teaching [Bishop Neckless]
Some Catholic bishops question gov't health care
Boston’s Roman Catholic Cardinal Says He Confronted Obama about Abortion in Health Care Plan....

Iowa Bishop: Don’t Be Railroaded into the Current...Health Care Proposals
in a message issued by the Diocese of Sioux City (The Church on Universal Healthcare)
Nazi Health Care A Catholic Bishop Speaks Out Against "End of Life Care" (Germany, 1941)
Bishop Nickless: "No Health Care Reform is Better than the Wrong Health Care Reform"
Cardinal Rigali, Abp. Chaput Intensify Warnings Against Obamacare's Abortion Expansion

22 posted on 07/07/2010 9:42:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: chuckles

I disagree. I think the majority of the Church is prolife. It’s just a matter of replacing the 1960’s generation which is still polluting the USCCB.

There is more to the Church than the mission field which is the US.


23 posted on 07/07/2010 10:09:44 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: marshmallow
Time to tell him/them that this view is not Catholic.

Bishops listed by Diocese

Bishops by Name

Bishops listed by state

24 posted on 07/07/2010 10:57:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

San Fran Swish Bish from the sound of it.


25 posted on 07/07/2010 12:37:28 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hitler Was Their Fate and their Fate Could Not Be Stayed. Von Braustitch.)
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To: Jeff Head
Were you not ill for awhile?

Welcome back! I agree with you completely.

26 posted on 07/07/2010 2:20:16 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: marshmallow
Let us make two lists.

First list: Currently living pro-death politicians who claim to be Catholic, along with their party affiliation:

1) Nancy Pelosi (D) (US House)
2) John F. Kerry (D) (US Senate)
3) Patrick Leahy (D) (US Senate)
4) ...

27 posted on 07/07/2010 2:34:43 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow
Let us make two lists:

Second list: Currently living pro-life politicians who claim to be Catholic, along with their party affiliation:

1) Bob McDonnell (R) (Virginia Governor)
2) Bobby Jindal (R) (Louisiana Governor)
3) Jim Risch (R) (US Senate)
4) Sam Brownback (R) (US Senate)
5) ...

28 posted on 07/07/2010 2:41:20 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BenKenobi
Well, you may disagree, but the majority of Catholics voted for Obama. What does that tell you? Father Phlager was called on the carpet for his shenanigans, but what really happened to him? Nada, nuttin. We can't even discipline a priest gone wild, let alone a few pols that thumb their noses at the church. You can look at the situation any way you want, but I'm trying to be realistic and not let my feelings for the church influence my opinion of the truth. I realize there are multitudes of good Catholics in the pews, but it just seems more and more every day are in positions of influence that are destroying the Church. I can't point to “the last straw” exactly, but day after day, drip by drip, we get stories like Pelosi saying the Church isn't settled on abortion while in Rome. There are people in powerful positions spewing crap like a honey wagon and NOTHING seems to happen other than a editorial in some opinion column by a priest or Bishop somewhere. Where is the backbone of the Church? These people need to be disciplined or thrown out if they just can't be comfortable with the Word of God. We don't need them and I'm sure God is judging our reaction to their blasphemy.

I don't think anybody condones thought police turning all of us into mindless robots, but some things we should all be able to agree on and abortion is right up there at the top of the list. We can argue over Latin mass or what ever else among ourselves, but there are some things that are at the heart of church teaching that we must agree on or we are no longer Catholic. Abortion is one of those. If a Democrat wants to favor abortion, gay marriage, removing God from American life, and a bucket of other topics, Then they need to decide if they want to be Catholic or a Democrat. Right now, there doesn't seem to be all that much pressure to make a decision.

29 posted on 07/07/2010 8:51:19 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Pelosi, born 1940.

Kerry, born 1943.

Mahoney, born 1936.

All came of age in the 60s.

Why are you worried about what the dinosaurs believe? Their time is already passing.


30 posted on 07/08/2010 12:03:20 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: BenKenobi

Patrick Leahy - 1940.

Wow, why am I not surprised that all the most notorious Catholic pro abortion politicians came of age in the 60s?


31 posted on 07/08/2010 12:05:06 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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