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'Hitler's Pope' saved thousands of Jewish lives
Telegraph ^ | July 6, 2010 | Simon Caldwell

Posted on 07/07/2010 7:24:30 AM PDT by Petrosius

Pope Pius XII, the controversial wartime pontiff, may have saved thousands of Jews by secretly securing visas so they could escape Nazi Germany, a historian has claimed.

Pope Pius, who was labelled “Hitler’s Pope” because of his silence during the Holocaust, may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, when thousands of Jews were rounded up and sent to concentration camps.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Judaism; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; hitler; holocaust; popepiusxii; rome; wwii
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1 posted on 07/07/2010 7:24:32 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

“may have” ???


2 posted on 07/07/2010 7:27:02 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Petrosius
“”may” have arranged”
3 posted on 07/07/2010 7:28:58 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Petrosius

The phrase “Hitler’s Pope” is an outrage.

Sadly I know Jewish Americans who think the Pope was a Nazi. You can work all kinds of evil with liberal education and news media.


4 posted on 07/07/2010 7:28:58 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Petrosius
who was labelled “Hitler’s Pope” because of his silence during the Holocaust

Why should we read anything by an author who repeats lies?

6 posted on 07/07/2010 7:47:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: Petrosius

These threads alway bring out some of the most disturbed Freepers that have yet to be banned.


7 posted on 07/07/2010 7:51:07 AM PDT by conservonator (How many times? 7X70!)
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To: TSgt

I’m interested in history.

“Pope Pius XII greeted Hitler as the Savior of Germany.”

You put that in quotes. Who are you quoting? What is the source of your quote?


8 posted on 07/07/2010 8:03:46 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Tax-chick
I encourage you to read the article. The opening line was penned by the Telegraph but the story is about new information by Dr Michael Hesemann, a German historian carrying out research in the Vatican archives. One quote:
He [Dr. Hesemann] said that Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli – the future Pius XII – wrote to Catholic archbishops around the world to urge them to apply for visas for “non-Aryan Catholics” and Jewish converts to Christianity who wanted to leave Germany. Elliot Hershberg, the chairman of the Pave the Way Foundation, said:“ We believe that many Jews who were successful in leaving Europe may not have had any idea that their visas and travel documents were obtained through these Vatican efforts. “Everything we have found thus far seems to indicate the known negative perception of Pope Pius XII is wrong.”

9 posted on 07/07/2010 8:05:26 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: IrishCatholic; TSgt

I have not been able to find any original source that says that yet so far. It might be a myth.


10 posted on 07/07/2010 8:09:41 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: conservonator
These threads alway bring out some of the most disturbed Freepers that have yet to be banned.

Yes - they're terrible! And disturbed FReepers will use these threads to proactively bash Protestants even before those Protestants show up to post anything.

11 posted on 07/07/2010 8:10:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: TSgt
Perhaps we should condemn the United States for supporting Hitler too because I can produce a picture of William Dodd (second person to the right of Hitler), the United States' ambassador to Germany standing with Hitler.

Cardinal Pacelli was the Vatican nuncio (ambassador) to Germany. Of course he meet with the Chancellor of Germany, Adolf Hitler, as did the ambassador of every country that had relations with Germany, including the United States. The use of these pictures to try to imply anything else is dishonest. The last I looked, all Christian denominations include "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" as one of the Ten Commandments.

Also, please give the citation for your quote.

12 posted on 07/07/2010 8:16:29 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
I encourage you to read the article.

Okay, thanks.

13 posted on 07/07/2010 8:18:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: Petrosius
Sir Martin Gilbert, a British historian and the world’s leading expert on the Holocaust, has said that Pope Pius XII should be considered as a “Righteous Gentile” by Yad Vashem, the Israeli Holocaust remembrance authority.

Thank for for (as it were) telling me not to be so hasty! This reminds me that I need to put more of Martin Gilbert's books on my library reserve list.

14 posted on 07/07/2010 8:21:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: vladimir998

Can’t be. He used it to support his statement that the Pope Pius XII was only interested in saving his own neck. He’ll give us the source of the quote.


15 posted on 07/07/2010 8:22:42 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: IrishCatholic; vladimir998
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_mccabe/big_blue_books/book_02.html#2

It was, however, not until Pacelli had left Germany that the Nazis showed any prospect of ever attaining power, and he regarded them as a vulgar and disorderly rabble led by a bunch of unsavory apostates and "pansies." Three years later he would, as Secretary of State, compel the proud German hierarchy, against their very decided will, to greet Hitler as the Savior of Germany and the White Hope of the Church, Let us remember, when we get to that point in the next booklet, that Pacelli did not act from ignorance. He was less innocent than Chamberlain. If he had any ability at all -- and he has considerable ability -- he knew Germany thoroughly. Will Catholics call it a wicked suspicion if we assume that this observer of events, who lived eight years in Munich and four in Berlin, had read Mein Kampf? He knew the program: the glorification of the German race, the domination of Europe, the annexation of the Ukraine, the massacre of the Jews, the annihilation of France -- in a word, war on a stupendous scale. Catholics do not obtrude today his intimate knowledge of Germany.
16 posted on 07/07/2010 8:23:18 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: vladimir998; IrishCatholic

Low, David Alexander Cecil, 1891-1963 :Hunting big game. [6 November 1940] Reference Number: NON-ATL-C-0106 Shows a scene at the Vatican; von Ribbentrop, Hitler's Foreign Minister from 1938 until the end of the Third Reich, dressed as a priest, hunts the pope with a large butterfly net. Adolf Hitler, disguised as a plaster saint, stands motionless in a corner clutching a volume titled 'Hitler, the white hope of the Church' and labelled 'Propaganda stunt no. 19'. Refers to the stance of Pope Pius X11 in relation to the Jews.
17 posted on 07/07/2010 8:24:50 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Petrosius

Let me see! 6,000,000 executed, 200,000 may have been saved. that is the kind of exchange any Nazi would like. So the Pope kept his mouth shut for a 30 to 1 kill ratio. sound like a cathlic martyr to me and about ready for sainthood. BTW Were the 200,000 all young boys? just asking


18 posted on 07/07/2010 8:27:59 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: IrishCatholic; TSgt

this is the closest to an oriinal source that I have found:

“as Secretary of State, Pope, Pius XII
(Eugenio Pacelli) greeted Hitler as the
Savior of Germany and the White Hope
of the Church.”
-How The Pope of Peace Traded in Blood;
The Red Record of the Holy Fathers;
by Joseph McCabe
Haldeman-Julius; 1941

http://babylon-the-great.xanga.com/674561228/item/

Here it is online:

“It was, however, not until Pacelli had left Germany that the Nazis showed any prospect of ever attaining power, and he regarded them as a vulgar and disorderly rabble led by a bunch of unsavory apostates and “pansies.” Three years later he would, as Secretary of State, compel the proud German hierarchy, against their very decided will, to greet Hitler as the Savior of Germany and the White Hope of the Church, Let us remember, when we get to that point in the next booklet, that Pacelli did not act from ignorance. He was less innocent than Chamberlain. If he had any ability at all — and he has considerable ability — he knew Germany thoroughly. Will Catholics call it a wicked suspicion if we assume that this observer of events, who lived eight years in Munich and four in Berlin, had read Mein Kampf? He knew the program: the glorification of the German race, the domination of Europe, the annexation of the Ukraine, the massacre of the Jews, the annihilation of France — in a word, war on a stupendous scale. Catholics do not obtrude today his intimate knowledge of Germany.”

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_mccabe/big_blue_books/book_02.html


19 posted on 07/07/2010 8:29:24 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Petrosius
Perhaps we should condemn the United States for supporting Hitler too because I can produce a picture of William Dodd (second person to the right of Hitler), the United States' ambassador to Germany standing with Hitler.

The US never signed a Reichskonkordat with Hitler. The Roman Catholic church did...

The signing of the Reichskonkordat on July 20, 1933 in Rome. (From left to right: German prelate Ludwig Kaas, German Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, Secretary of Extraordinary Ecclesiastical Affairs Giuseppe Pizzardo, Cardinal Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli, Alfredo Ottaviani, and member of Reichsministerium des Inneren (Home Office) Rudolf Buttmann)
20 posted on 07/07/2010 8:32:29 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: IrishCatholic; TSgt
I’m interested in history. “Pope Pius XII greeted Hitler as the Savior of Germany.” You put that in quotes. Who are you quoting? What is the source of your quote?

May I?

The quote comes from a book entitled "How the Pope of Peace Traded in Blood" by Joseph McCabe.

McCabe was an English writer who spent some time training for the Catholic priesthood with the Franciscans but left and took up the cause of militant atheism.

From the link:

"One of the giants of not only English atheism, but world atheism, Joseph McCabe left a legacy of aggressive atheist and antireligious literature that remains fresh and insightful today. His many works-- he wrote nearly 250 books--could constitute a library of atheism by themselves."

Other books by McCabe:

The Popes and Their Church
Rome's Syllabus Of Condemned Opinions; The Last Blast Of The Catholic Church's Medieval Trumpet

A thoroughly balanced and objective source of information, you can be sure.

21 posted on 07/07/2010 8:32:43 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: conservonator

I’m not even sure what these loons think the Pope was supposed to do that the US and British military couldn’t do. Launch another Crusade? I think their real complaint is that Hitler didn’t exterminate all the Catholics as well.


22 posted on 07/07/2010 8:34:58 AM PDT by Hacksaw ("Don't march on Moscow"..)
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To: conservonator
These threads alway bring out some of the most disturbed Freepers that have yet to be banned.

I find FReepers who object to open debate disturbing. Especially those who wish to see other FReepers banned for having a differing opinion.
23 posted on 07/07/2010 8:37:54 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TSgt
That's your source??? What, was Al the guy that works at Goodyear changing tires busy? The Klan website down? Jack Chick Publications not online? Hell, I'd have more respect for you if you got it from the Communist Party Archives.
“How the Pope of Peace Traded in Blood” by Joseph McCabe.

So who was that guy? Well, here is his bio from the same source:
“Joseph McCabe
[ 1867 - 1955 ]

One of the giants of not only English atheism, but world atheism, Joseph McCabe left a legacy of aggressive atheist and antireligious literature that remains fresh and insightful today. His many works— he wrote nearly 250 books—could constitute a library of atheism by themselves.

Born in 1867, Joseph McCabe became a Franciscan monk at the age of nineteen. But disgusted with his fellow monks and the Christian doctrine, he left the priesthood for good on February 19, 1896.

Not long afterwards, he began to write—first against the priesthood itself and then for the position of Atheism. He was one of the founding members of Britain's Rationalist Press Association, and was a prolific writer for Haldeman-Julius Publications. He was also a much-respected speaker, giving, by his own estimate, three or four thousand lectures in the United States, Australia, and great Britain by the age of eighty. Still fighting against the injustices and dishonesties of religion, he died on January 10,1955, at the age of eighty-seven. The epitaph he requested was: “He was a rebel to his last day.”

Yea, real good sourcing there pal! No bias there! Impeccable scholarship, no doubt.
Oh, hey, here's a quote right back at you from Jewish Virtual Library. They aren't fans of Pope Pius XII either. But, they were honest, sourced their quotes, and weren't pulling stuff out of their butts to put online. It is what he spoke to 250,000 pilgrims at Lourdes in 1935:

“They [The Nazis] are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of the social revolution, whether they are guided by a false conception of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult.”

Revisionism has to be fought no matter what the topic. I usually have to do it on the Civil War threads. I don't mind widening the range a bit. It helps keep bigots in line or at least show innocent bystanders they can, and should be opposed.

24 posted on 07/07/2010 8:40:24 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Hacksaw
I’m not even sure what these loons think the Pope was supposed to do that the US and British military couldn’t do. Launch another Crusade? I think their real complaint is that Hitler didn’t exterminate all the Catholics as well.

First, let me remind you not to make it personal. Second, perhaps the Pope and Catholic church could have resisted like the Protestants?

Got Reichskonkordat?
25 posted on 07/07/2010 8:40:46 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Alex Murphy

Really? Please, show examples. Usually the Know Nothings post vile slander then hit the abuse button and have the moderator save them.
I’ve always found the Catholics patient, slow to anger, and Christian. I’ve found Protestants the same way. Then, there is the scum that attack Catholics at every opportunity. They are our Fred Phelps family kooks of FR. Perhaps you know some???


26 posted on 07/07/2010 8:43:44 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: IrishCatholic
That's your source??? What, was Al the guy that works at Goodyear changing tires busy? The Klan website down? Jack Chick Publications not online? Hell, I'd have more respect for you if you got it from the Communist Party Archives.

Let me remind you as well not to make it personal.

Throw out the quote and source if you like, the fact remains that the church signed a treaty with Hitler, Reichskonkordat, to save its neck at the expense of others.
27 posted on 07/07/2010 8:44:14 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: dirtymac

Why? Are you a founding member of NAMBLA? You reason like you could be.


28 posted on 07/07/2010 8:45:47 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: TSgt
Is that even Pius XII, shaking hands with Hitler in that photo?

I seriously doubt it. In the 1930s and early 1940s, Eugenio Pacelli/Pius XII looked nothing like that. The individual in the photo has gray hair, a chubby face (which Pius XII never had) and is relatively short.

I believe it may be a German bishop.

Tell me I'm wrong.

29 posted on 07/07/2010 8:46:55 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: IrishCatholic
Really? Please, show examples. Usually the Know Nothings post vile slander then hit the abuse button and have the moderator save them. I’ve always found the Catholics patient, slow to anger, and Christian. I’ve found Protestants the same way. Then, there is the scum that attack Catholics at every opportunity. They are our Fred Phelps family kooks of FR. Perhaps you know some???

Your response to Alex Murphy does not illustrate patience or slow to anger.

Do not make it personal. Comment on the topic not other FReepers.
30 posted on 07/07/2010 8:48:27 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: IrishCatholic
Have a good look at the photo shown in post #5.

It isn't even Pius XII.

31 posted on 07/07/2010 8:49:02 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Petrosius

This has been rehashed many times.

The facts are that the Pope acted correctly.

The reluctance to give him credit is not based on the facts at the time, but rather on the Church’s historical role at fostering a climate of anti-Semitism.


32 posted on 07/07/2010 8:50:58 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: IrishCatholic; Religion Moderator
Why? Are you a founding member of NAMBLA? You reason like you could be.

IrishCatholic, many of us have committed to cordial discourse in the Religion Forum.
33 posted on 07/07/2010 8:51:49 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TSgt
Do not make it personal. Comment on the topic not other FReepers.

Happy to.

Post #5 is a crock.

It shows a photo of a bishop shaking hands with Hitler and is Photoshopped with an unsourced quote about Pius XII. IOW, the quote is irrelevant to the photo and vice versa.

What's up with that?

34 posted on 07/07/2010 8:53:10 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

Wouldn’t even pass for a 33% lesser version, like Pius VIII


35 posted on 07/07/2010 8:54:19 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: marshmallow

Those who would base their opinions on such works stand condemned by their own words.


36 posted on 07/07/2010 8:58:35 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
True.

If it's anyone it's Angelo Roncalli, the future John XXII, who was Papal Nuncio during the German occupation of Greece.

38 posted on 07/07/2010 8:59:42 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: IrishCatholic
Wow - IC - funny how the same person who said I find FReepers who object to open debate disturbing. Especially those who wish to see other FReepers banned for having a differing opinion. couldn't wait to narc you out to the mod.
39 posted on 07/07/2010 9:01:02 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: marshmallow
The photo does not state that it is Pius XII. Pius XII used many envoys. A source for the quote has been given.

What about the Reichskonkordat?
40 posted on 07/07/2010 9:01:18 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: marshmallow
........John XIII
41 posted on 07/07/2010 9:01:37 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: TSgt

Yea, I’m getting pretty hot at such vileness I see here among the bigots. I better go cool off for a while.

It’s like watching three guys beat up an elderly person or some other type evil. You don’t want me to mention the three guys, just their technique.

Well, cry victim all you want while you give the finger with your lies. I’ll move on.


42 posted on 07/07/2010 9:02:46 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: marshmallow

You could be right...I went to Roncalli H.S. in Indianapolis, and the pictures I remember of him look similar to the one in the thread.

Pope Pius XII was a slender man with dark hair, was he not?


43 posted on 07/07/2010 9:02:51 AM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: IrishCatholic
You are not an honest man. You have no integrity. By matching a bogus quote to a picture of Hitler and the Pope you lie through your teeth on content and context.

What happened to patience and slow to anger? Since you are unable to debate without making personal attacks we are done here. Perhaps you may want to visit the prayer thread for the Religion Forum?
44 posted on 07/07/2010 9:03:57 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Petrosius

I’m not Catholic or Jewish.
But I did find the following book an interesting read about the WWII-era Pope,
seeing how it was written by a rabbi.

The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: Pope Pius XII and His Secret War Against Nazi Germany
by David G. Dalin

http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Hitlers-Pope-Against-Germany/dp/0895260344/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1278518216&sr=1-1


45 posted on 07/07/2010 9:04:15 AM PDT by VOA
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To: TSgt

The concordat was an interstate agreement that regulated the affairs of the church in Germany. It did not give any support to the Nazi agenda. The UK and Germany signed the Anglo-German Naval Agreement in 1935. Such treaties do not imply support for Nazi regime but were agreements with what was then the lawful government of Germany. There was nothing nefarious about the concordat despite your wishes to the contrary.


46 posted on 07/07/2010 9:04:55 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

It’s their pattern. It’s what they do.
I’m moving on from this thread. It’s like I just was made to sit through a cross burning at a Klan rally. Too much ugliness in such a short time. I normally am more patient with the haters, for some reason, I’m not today.


47 posted on 07/07/2010 9:05:33 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: TSgt
The photo does not state that it is Pius XII.

Ahhhaaaaaaaaaa!! I was right!!!

So who is it and if it's not Pius XII, why is his name plastered across it!!??

Pius XII used many envoys. A source for the quote has been given.

Yeah...........by me!!!................LOL.........thanks for all your help!!

How do you know this is an envoy and how do you know it was taken in Germany?? Hitler got around a bit. This looks like Archbishop Roncalli and if so, the photo was probably taken in Greece, which Hitler visited after its fall in 1941.

48 posted on 07/07/2010 9:06:33 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: IrishCatholic

Prayers for The Religion Forum (Ecumenical)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2545159/posts


49 posted on 07/07/2010 9:06:54 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: IrishCatholic

Bless ya for getting the truth out there in the first place. If at some point repeating these truths turns into beating your head against the the Ignorance/Prejudice Wall, well who could blame you for stopping?


50 posted on 07/07/2010 9:08:34 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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