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Alleged Vatican Official Says Extraterrestrials Are Real
The Eponymous Flower ^ | 07/08/2010 | Tancred

Posted on 07/08/2010 8:54:20 AM PDT by 0beron

Edited on 07/08/2010 9:57:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

"Vatican Officials" say a lot of things. This man who is said to be an expert in demonology also claims to be an expert on the phenomenon of intelligent extraterrestrial life. We say they are supernatural in origin and the appearance of strange and foreboding lights in the sky are unfavorable signs.

Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia (governing body), and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on Italiannational television five times, including recent months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due topsychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully." Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican , and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, [Like the historical propensity for the press to be leftist deceivers who herald new phenomena like Communism as saviours of mankind.] his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.

Balducci revealed to a visiting American professional that the Vatican is closely following this phenomenon quietly. My informant originally surmised that the Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nunciatures (embassies) in various countries.


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1 posted on 07/08/2010 8:54:23 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

So, uh, are we gonna have to pay a tax to them now?


2 posted on 07/08/2010 8:57:17 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: 0beron

Maybe there is intelligent life on other planet, maybe there isn’t. Doesn’t affect my faith either way.


3 posted on 07/08/2010 8:59:14 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: 0beron

God must have been an extraterrestrial, right? He was a PREterrestrial! QED.


4 posted on 07/08/2010 9:03:16 AM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: 0beron

5 posted on 07/08/2010 9:03:31 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: norraad

No. Register them to vote Democrat


6 posted on 07/08/2010 9:04:33 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: 0beron
hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahha hahahahahahahhahahahah and just who IS this alleged "official"?
7 posted on 07/08/2010 9:06:04 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: MEGoody

Yah, except there’s really no evidence for it.


8 posted on 07/08/2010 9:07:23 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: norraad
So, uh, are we gonna have to pay a tax to them now?

Reparations, because they were here first and only Americans steal land.
This time we actually stole the whole planet.

9 posted on 07/08/2010 9:10:34 AM PDT by MaxMax (Conservatism isn't a party)
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To: 0beron

?????????????

Translation please????


10 posted on 07/08/2010 9:28:32 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: 13Sisters76
and just who IS this alleged "official"?

Green. Goes by the handle KANG. Slobbers a lot.

11 posted on 07/08/2010 9:32:36 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: 0beron
"Vatican Officials" say a lot of things.

"The Pope is (in certain constrained circumstances that have never actually in history pertained) infallible".

"Mary was assumed bodily in to heaven. "

They can say lots of things. Doesn't mean I should believe them.

12 posted on 07/08/2010 9:35:23 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: 0beron; Quix
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Ping.

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13 posted on 07/08/2010 9:38:11 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: 0beron
"Do they wear funny hats?"
14 posted on 07/08/2010 9:48:50 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: LucyT

WILL CHECK IT OUT.

The Vatican has been insuring that such an idea has been getting out for years now.


15 posted on 07/08/2010 10:11:11 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: JoeProBono

PING


16 posted on 07/08/2010 10:26:32 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Hardraade

lol


17 posted on 07/08/2010 4:23:48 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Quix
WILL CHECK IT OUT. The Vatican has been insuring that such an idea has been getting out for years now.

Among your other mischaracterizations of the Vatican, are you now sayng that they are in competition with Prudential?

18 posted on 07/08/2010 7:37:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: 0beron

Monsignor Balducci died two years ago. How in the world can he have gone on television five times in recent months? Do you guys do any research at all?


19 posted on 07/08/2010 7:41:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Mark in light of the UFOs above Rome this year, it’s timely anyway.

Besides, no one has yet provided any explanation of the Msgr’s comments. Not that we know.


20 posted on 07/08/2010 9:37:06 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, theologian, Vatican Curia, insider close to the Pope

Premise: If Monsignor Balducci's analysis of extraterrestrials...is [noted as] consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology.

Premise: If Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters are NOT demonic

Premise: If Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert

Premise: If Monsignor Balducci states that the Church does not censure these encounters

Premise: And..as stated by you...this is all the more remarkable.

Truth: The many extraterrestrial visual citings over the century's is proof that humans do not understand extraterrestrial "beings".

Truth: Now the Bible states correctly...that Satan can appear to men as an angel of light.

Truth: It is evident that the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost) inspired the Bible and correctly warns us that Satan can appear as an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Truth: Therefore, appearances of any kind of non fleshly "being", or "holy [thing]", or extraterrestrial "beings" are clearly demonic in source. Satan is the god of this world, that is why there is demonic activity:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Monsignor Balducci is flatly wrong that these are not demonic. The Holy Spirit is always correct. Men's who override the teaching of the Holy Spirit are always in error.

It is not a big deal that Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert, theologian, Vatican Curia, insider close to the Pope. He certainly can claim to be all these things, but one thing he is not, and that is he is neither God the Holy Spirit, nor does he have any corner stone understanding equal to or above God the Holy Spirit. I know that you did not say he had these qualities, but the fact that the Vatican is still trying to figure things out after so many centuries, when God the Holy Spirit has already clearly spelled it out precisely. Why must be continue to dabble in things the Bible has already clarified?

After all, God's Words are higher than man's words, God's thoughts are higher than man's thoughts.

Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Instead of the continued speculation and continued Vatican uncertainty regarding demonic activity, why shall we not just trust in the clear Words of God, of Christ the Word, inspired by the Holy Spirit.

21 posted on 07/08/2010 10:29:16 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: MarkBsnr; Uri’el-2012; WorldviewDad; John Leland 1789; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; ...

The accurate awareness

of the Vatican’s efforts the last 10 years in this subject area is soooooooooooooooooo anemic to totally lacking . . .

I have almost 0.000000000000000000% confidence that any meaningful dialogue could be had with any of them about it.

The documentation, however, for those seriously interested, is abundantly available.

And, I spoke face to face a time or 3 with Balducci’s good friend and neighbor—high integrity, high quality researcher . . . Paola Leopizzi Harris.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Vatican

is preparing to present to the world when such things are more overtly and more wholesale on the CNN etc. nightly news . . . the Vatican seems to be laying the ground work for agreeing fairly fully with the satanic globalist oligarchy about the nature of the ET’s, their goals, status, nature etc.

The Biblical warning about the GREAT DECEPTION of the end times needs to be taken very seriously by all who love God truly.

Of course, this also fits in with the Vatican’s laying the ground work for a tyrannical global government . . . more or less . . . “for the children.”

Of course, those worshipping the Vatican Institution and UFO delivered Fatima ‘Mary’ imposters playing a role . . .

will not likely believe the facts regardless of how well and accurately presented they are.


22 posted on 07/08/2010 11:06:21 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: bibletruth

INDEED.

Well put.

I do not believe MOST of the critters are demons.

Some experts assert that SOME of the greys may be bio-engineered ‘suits’ to house demons for the ‘suits’ year and a half life-span.

Demons are those FALLEN ANGELS who lost their bodies in Noah’s flood.

Guy Malone

HTTP://WWW.ANCIENTOFDAYS.NET

and his highest quality panel of experts convincingly assert that the ET’s are FALLEN ANGELS.

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IT DOES NOT MATTER TO ME WHAT THEY ARE—EVEN IF they are the purported citizens of distant planets, THEY ARE STILL ALL—ALL THOSE I’VE READ ABOUT—ALL—IN CAHOOTS WITH THE GLOBALISTS TOWARD SETTING UP THE SATANIC WORLD GOVERNMENT.

THAT’S ALL I NEED TO KNOW about their values, allegiances, goals, dangerousness etc.


23 posted on 07/08/2010 11:10:06 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix; bibletruth

Here’s an interview suggesting an alternative possibility for this phenomenon as part of a campaign of disinformation to transform and mitigate traditional religion and replace it with a new religion of scientistic gnosticism.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stephen-hand


24 posted on 07/09/2010 12:15:01 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

Will check it out.

Am somewhat familiar with their postulations.

They don’t explain near all the data by a huge margin, imho.


25 posted on 07/09/2010 3:57:03 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: 0beron

INDEED.

There’s every indication that the Vatican is continuing with such an iterative incremental unfolding of a very globalist position vis a vis UFO’s and ET’s.

I don’t recall who the current spokesperson is in such regards. However, there have been ABSOLUTELY NO retractions nor even qualifying watering down of Balducci’s assertions. Instead, others have said essentially the same things.


26 posted on 07/09/2010 4:22:21 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: 0beron; Quix
Sounds a little loopey.
27 posted on 07/09/2010 5:00:07 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

“gone on television recently...”

He’s dead, Jim.

“Corrado Balducci
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Monsignor Corrado Balducci

Born May 11, 1923(1923-05-11)
Milan Italy
Died September 20, 2008
Rome, Italy

Monsignor Corrado Balducci, (born May 11, 1923 in Italy died September 20, 2008 in Italy[1]), was a Roman Catholic theologian of the Vatican Curia,[2] a close friend of the pope,[3] long time exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome,[2] and a Prelate of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples and the Society for the Propagation of the Faith...”


28 posted on 07/09/2010 5:54:24 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 07/09/2010 6:24:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: wolfcreek; Quix; bibletruth
I don't mean to be condescending, but before you make any snap judgments, I'd take a look at what the founder of sociology and his disciples had to say, Augustus Comte. Then take a look at what's happened in terms of education. A good place to start is by listening to the interview by Stephen Hand, and perhaps go to a book by Jesuit, Henri de Lubac, who wrote a book called, The Drama of Atheist Humanism which describes what are the concerns of Stephen Hand, Phil and Paul Collins. It's a little ironic perhaps that Henri de Lubac was a supporter of Teilhard de Chardin. Who knows what's going on there, but it's clear that there's a strong liberal, elitist, Gramscian party in the Vatican and the Church at large that is promoting scientism in the Catholic Church...
30 posted on 07/09/2010 7:50:08 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: bibletruth
"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Eph. 2:2)

Which is where we see these 'images, visions, miracles'. The air. Which is Satan's dominion, at this time. Why would we trust anything that appears in the 'air'?

31 posted on 07/09/2010 8:04:06 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
WITH ONE EXCEPTION

"The we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord". (1 Thess. 4:17).

I think this is when Satan KNOWS for sure his time is short and that his power of the air is limited.

32 posted on 07/09/2010 8:25:59 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: 0beron
Mark in light of the UFOs above Rome this year, it’s timely anyway.

Now, what is a UFO? An Unidentifed Flying Object. Why is not labelled alien ship if you guys have knowledge that it is? What is happening above Rome, pray tell?

Besides, no one has yet provided any explanation of the Msgr’s comments. Not that we know.

Interesting, since the old gentleman has since died. Did nobody think to get clarification before his death?

33 posted on 07/09/2010 3:55:22 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: bibletruth

Interesting chain of illogic. There are too many ‘ifs’ in there to constitute proof. Anyhow, if there are this many sightings, why do we not have proof one way or another after all this time? I mean real proof.


34 posted on 07/09/2010 3:57:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix
I went looking at Paolo Leopizza Harris's bio. She seems like Al Gore to me: find a goose that lays golden eggs and feed it what it likes to eat.

If the Monsignor died some time ago, why in the world didn't somebody find out what he meant before he died? This is crazy talk.

Accusing the Vatican of participating and somehow bringing to fruition satanic possession of the world is even crazier. If you wish me to take you more seriously than I do now, how about presenting some proofs. You keep saying the equivalent of 'the truth is out there'. My response is that the folks who say that are out there as well. Bring the proofs into the light, my friend and we'll all be just like St. Thomas.

35 posted on 07/09/2010 4:13:37 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
"The we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

It isn't the air - it's what is in the drinking water that worries me.

36 posted on 07/09/2010 4:16:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OpusatFR; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; ...
Excerpts from:

CONNECTING THE DOTS…Making Sense Of The UFO Phenomenon

By Paola Leopizzi Harris

CHAPTER 2
DISCLOSURE BEGINS

Monsignore Corrado Balducci

Quoted exactly except for Quixicated emphases--and the ommission of a few typo errors. However, where I unbold, that’s what was bolded in her book.

P95

Monsignor Balducci is a dear friend who lived up the street from me as I lived next door to St. Peter’s in Rome. Often we would dine together. He was a great host. We would often spend New Year’s Even together and he had the habit of leaving his Christmas decorations up all year. Often I would ask permission to bring over foreign researchers to meet him. We first bonded at the may 1999 conference in San Marino where I was translator for Dr. John Mack.

To me he was also very much like J. Allen Hynek that he was often distracted by metaphysical concepts and would stray off into different tangents. He was a very random abstract thinker. . . . Monsignor Balducci has an incredible archive of news clippings on UFOs and the paranormal. It fascinates him. Unlike many of us researchers, he excluded nothing in the cosmic mystery and had begun “connecting the dots” long ago. . . .

Paola Harris (PH): Is Ufology a relatively new study, and is it connected to parapsychology in your opinion?

Monsignor Corrado Balducci (CB): Over the last 150 years this phenomenon has appeared sequentially and with an increasing spreading and frequency rate. Spiritualism and Ufology are two types of manifestations. In the evolutionary scale, I believe there is something between us and the angels.

PH: Did Jesus also represent these beings?

CB: Yes, of course. Jesus died for all beings in the cosmos. In the sacred Scriptures, He is called King of the Universe. Never underestimate the great mercy or compassion of God whose grace and compassion surpasses all, and that means it relates to all of creation in all the cosmos. That also means that “all is possible.” God created us to give praise to Him, as I imagine he created others to do the same. How can God be gloried without a varied creation?

PH: Why is it so important to take UFO sightings seriously?

CB: Because it is based on human testimony, as are our Gospels. Since a great deal of the [Roman] Catholic faith is based on witness testimony, we must realize how important human testimony is. It would be a tragedy if we began to be suspicious of all people who report that they experienced something unusual like seeing crafts in the sky. From what I understand, there are some very credible witnesses who have seen this phenomenon and have come forward. They are courageous and should not be dismissed. Many church fathers have addressed the extraterrestrial presence in early philosophical works. In fact, testimony is a form of communication of our faith. Imagine what could happen to individual and social life if the value of human testimony were diminished, an act which would logically cause the decrease and disappearance of our faith, which is essential for daily life!

PH: Do you think that there is a type of theology or philosophy then that can be attributed to extraterrestrial life?

CB: I think that we need to examine it, then formulate “theological and Biblical considerations” on the habitability of other planets. First of all, there is a clarification: We should exclude that angels use spaceships, because they are merely spiritual beings [Qx: Scripture indicates otherwise—there are plenty of examples in Scripture where angels are quite observably tangible, dimensional. Scripture is essentially silent on whether the nonfallen angels use craft ever, at all, or not. I personally do not believe they NEED to. It’s just my opinion]. They are wherever they want to be, and in the rare cases when they show themselves, they have no difficulty in assuming a visible form. . . .

PH: How do you reach these conclusions?

CB: My conclusions come from my research in parapsychology and demonology. There are human testimonies concerning the UFO phenomena—in particular the abduction phenomenon—which are essential to historical truth and must be considered seriously. These things cannot be attributed to the “Devil.” He does not need UFOs. . . .

QX: I think he is very seriously wrong here. The connection between UFO abduction phenomena, poltergeist and related phenomena and occultic dabbling are very well established as Guy Malone at

.

DOCUMENTS extensively. He has not found a single case where the enemy of our souls and his fallen angels have been able to carry out abduction activities without some member of the family involved giving an opening through some level of occultic dabbings.

CB: [continued from above paragraph] This has nothing to do with the Devil [QX I think he’s seriously wrong]. These important UFO sightings by credible people must be taken into account because there are so many witnesses. It is as important as scientific research is! . . .

PH: Can you quote some church fathers who suggest the existence of life on other planets? I heard that Padre Pio said something of this nature.

CB: Yes there are several. Don Andrea Beltrami (1870-1897), the Salesian Father and servant of God, prayed also for the possible inhabitants of other planets. Of the 16 booklets he wrote, one seems to deal with this topic. The second is the recently sanctified Padre Pio, who was beatified by Pope John Paul II on May 2, 1999, and canonized on June 16, 2002. He was asked the following question: “Father, some claim that there are creatures of God on other planets, too.” Padre Pio replied, “What else? Do you think they don’t exist, and that God’s omnipotence is limited to this small planet Earth? What else? Do you think there are no other beings who love the Lord?” Another time someone asked him, “Father Pio, I think the Earth is nothing, compared to other planets and stars.” His answer: “Exactly! Yes, and we Earthlings are nothing, too. The Lord certainly did not limit His glory to this small Earth. On other planets other beings exist who did not sin and fall as we did.” [Qx: I guess his mangled ‘Bible’ did not include the Scripture about ALL CREATION GROANS WITH YEARNING EARNEST EXPECTATION FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD.]

PH: Is it a grave mistake to think that you are the official voice of the Vatican?

CB: These ideas are mine, and I do not represent the Vatican. However, I am told that the Holy Father Pope John Paul II has seen me on Italian TV several times and follows my radio homilies. If there were some objection, I’m sure I would know. I believe there is no problem here. P100

37 posted on 07/09/2010 5:15:22 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

OOOPS Didn’t proof read far enough.

Guy Malone’s site is:

HTTP://WWW.ANCIENTOFDAYS.NET


38 posted on 07/09/2010 5:18:11 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: 0beron

0.0000000000000% IS INACCURATE.


39 posted on 07/09/2010 5:19:07 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MarkBsnr

I don’t know what the UFO is, it’s probably anything else but a UFO.

Perhaps the Msgr’s comments were considered so strange that no one decided to issue a clarification.

I’d like to know, for example, why he was convinced they are extraterrestrial.

I knew of a dentist who claimed he’d been on board their ships and was going to take a trip to the pleiades.

Personally, I’m not convinced that these things are ETs. I think it’s more likely they are Government Programs. Like War of the Wolrds by O Wells radio hoax.


40 posted on 07/09/2010 5:27:57 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: Quix
Appreciate very much the tone and the presentation of the article. Since your previous posting, I have looked up some articles on the Monsignor. I also went through the article on ufoevidence.org and recognized some terminology...

On the surface of it, I'd have to say that the good padre gradually went senile. Now, you and I have talked before about this and the thing is that there is not the smoking gun; there are no bodies or spacecraft or technology that we can point to. Is there a smoking gun that has arisen?

41 posted on 07/09/2010 5:30:43 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: 0beron
Well, for instance, the replacement for the SR71 Blackbird. Here in flyover country, people occasionally see an object going far too fast for conventional aircraft. Yet, the SR71 was top secret until it was decommissioned with a top speed of oh, say Mach 3.5 or so.

Or so? The estimates that I have seen place it at Mach 5.0 or even higher.

Does Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, et al have anything in the works? What have they already done? I understand that there are eyewitness occurances, but William of Occam had a really sharp point.

42 posted on 07/09/2010 5:35:44 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

It depends on who’s testimony one is willing to accept.

Or . . . how close to such things one has worked.

Please remember

Jesse Marcel Jr is a decorated retired veteran eye? surgeon FREEPER . . . amazingly at his age . . . with IRAQ duty to his long list of credits.

And, there have been other FREEPERS over the years who have affirmed in careful clever ways, their working around such craft and beings.


43 posted on 07/09/2010 5:36:39 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MarkBsnr

Senility is not an adequate explanation.

Paola certainly would fiercely disagree. His language shows no hint of it. Nor does his picture.


44 posted on 07/09/2010 5:37:48 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MarkBsnr

“Does Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, et al have anything in the works? What have they already done? I understand that there are eyewitness occurances, but William of Occam had a really sharp point.”

Spouse was in the Air Force. He said that the USAF has birds in the air and in process that are always way ahead in technology from the craft already in production.


45 posted on 07/09/2010 5:42:22 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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Please take my name OFF your ping list for this worthles fantasy.


46 posted on 07/09/2010 5:48:56 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne; Quix

Please replace Nur..Judith Anne’s name with mine on your *ping* list. I am very interested in the Nephilim information.


47 posted on 07/09/2010 6:01:27 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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Please remember Jesse Marcel Jr is a decorated retired veteran eye? surgeon FREEPER . . . amazingly at his age . . . with IRAQ duty to his long list of credits.

Don't recall running up against him before.

And, there have been other FREEPERS over the years who have affirmed in careful clever ways, their working around such craft and beings.

Why the cleverness? Why not spill the beans openly?

48 posted on 07/09/2010 6:21:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix
Senility is not an adequate explanation.

Paola certainly would fiercely disagree. His language shows no hint of it. Nor does his picture.

Spent the last few minutes looking him up. He does appear to be classicly senile, no. So, what is it? You mentioned before that you believe that the Vatican has a department investigating UFOs?

49 posted on 07/09/2010 6:23:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl; xzins; marron; TXnMA; Buggman; MHGinTN; YHAOS; hosepipe; stfassisi; ...
Never underestimate the great mercy or compassion of God whose grace and compassion surpasses all, and that means it relates to all of creation in all the cosmos. That also means that “all is possible.” God created us to give praise to Him, as I imagine he created others to do the same. How can God be gloried without a varied creation?

I find these remarks most disturbing. Just because "all things are possible" for God, it does not logically follow that all things are possible for man.

Somehow these statements recall to mind the character Ivan, of Dostoyevsky's Brothers Karamazov. He said something to the effect: If there is no God, then all things are possible. This is what it means to be "beyond good and evil." [Which is the state of things once God is "killed."] And it is almost certain that Nietzsche took a page from Ivan's book. With all that followed from that, preeminently the notion of Superman — which I take to mean a man who has "evolved" unto the status of god himself, having committed the ultimate Patricide in his own mind.

God IS gloried and glorified in His "varied creation" already, and that since Day One. But the variation we see in the natural world, its splendid diversity, is not born of chaos; it is born — and sustained — only in God, Who created all things in heaven and earth by His holy Word, the Logos.

Methinks this cardinal of the Church has been imbibing from springs of post-modern progressivist thought. And it seems to me this puts him more in the company of Dostoevsky's Ivan, and Nietzsche, than it does in the ranks of Christian saints....

JMHO FWIW

50 posted on 07/09/2010 6:54:37 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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