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Palestinian Leader Calls for Arab Invasion of Israel
Israel Today ^ | July 8, 2010 | Ryan Jones

Posted on 07/08/2010 1:37:26 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, branded a "moderate" by the international community, let his true colors show during a recent meeting with writers and journalists when he stated that he would favor a pan-Arab military offensive against the Jewish state.

The official Palestinian Authority daily newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida on Tuesday wrote that when Abbas met recently with media figures at the home of the Palestinian ambassador to Jordan, he recounted that during an Arab League Summit in Libya in March he told his fellow leaders that he still preferred war against Israel, but could not do it alone.

(Excerpt) Read more at israeltoday.co.il ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: fatah; obama4fatah; obamafatahintifada; obamaintifada
Gee, where have we heard about this before?

Reading the Bible is like reading the front page of today's newspaper.

1 posted on 07/08/2010 1:37:31 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: ducttape45; small voice in the wilderness; presently no screen name; stars & stripes forever; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/08/2010 1:40:20 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Looks like Abbas did not accept Bibi’s offer on the Larry King show.

Of course, there are still those who say he wouldn’t live for five minutes after accepting an offer to recognize Israel.


3 posted on 07/08/2010 1:40:27 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Hate to tell this guy, but the Arabs have tried this several times and failed.


4 posted on 07/08/2010 1:40:39 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

I believe this time around Israel will complete the job.
Like Michael Corleone I believe this summer they will take care of all business.


5 posted on 07/08/2010 1:44:24 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I am afraid that I agree with him. I am all for it.
The Arabs should attack Israel with all their might as they have done in the past.

This time, Israel should respond with its full might which now includes an arsenal of some 400 nuclear and thermonuclear weapons... weapons the Arabs do not yet possess.

Let’s just get this done and move on.


7 posted on 07/08/2010 1:58:00 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
thanks for the *ping*

tick..tick.. from the way events are lining up, you would think the enemy read the Bible for instruction in what to do next..but we know they don't so..

hmmmmm....maybe, just maybe GOD KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN> HE FORETOLD IT FOR OUR UNDERSTANDING AND IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO READ IT>STUDY IT> AND KNOW WHEN IT IS AT HAND

Maranatha dear friend in Christ!

8 posted on 07/08/2010 2:04:39 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

They’re going to fail this time too. They can’t even begin to imagine how badly they’re going to lose.


9 posted on 07/08/2010 2:12:46 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: pennboricua
Israel will complete the job and then some.

Say goodbye to Damascus while you still can.

10 posted on 07/08/2010 2:13:47 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: ps2
Thanks for posting that, ps2!

Bill Salus is a wonderful student of Bible prophecy.

This article is very timely, isn't it?

11 posted on 07/08/2010 2:14:59 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Bon mots
Make sure you're stocked up on popcorn.

And maybe a share or two in an Israeli oil and gas company.

12 posted on 07/08/2010 2:15:58 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: small voice in the wilderness
I simply can't believe I'm part of this generation!

Maranatha!

15 posted on 07/08/2010 2:17:23 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I just want Mecca and that ugly rock all melted together
16 posted on 07/08/2010 2:18:32 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua
lol!

I want one Jewish brother to say to another: "Whoa. That blowed up REAL Good.."

17 posted on 07/08/2010 2:25:09 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

He really wants that Nobel Peace Prize, doesn’t he?

As wku man would say...

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!


19 posted on 07/08/2010 2:31:08 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( - Eccl. 10:18 -)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

20 posted on 07/08/2010 2:35:47 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Sounds like a declaration of War to me.

Israel should lock down the borders to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, cut off all aid, power, water, food, everything.

Before doing so they need to announce this at the UN and indicate that it will remain so until Abbas proceeds to address the UN in person and renounce this policy.

21 posted on 07/08/2010 2:45:06 PM PDT by SledgeCS (If this is an example of a transparent government, I would hate to see what a secret one is.)
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To: B-Chan; GiovannaNicoletta
Don't worry, Catholic Monarchist.

You're staying.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

22 posted on 07/08/2010 3:01:19 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

I’ll see you there, then.


23 posted on 07/08/2010 3:06:04 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Bon mots
This time, Israel should respond with its full might which now includes an arsenal of some 400 nuclear and thermonuclear weapons... weapons the Arabs do not yet possess.

Let’s just get this done and move on.

Motion seconded. Carried.

The only way to have peace between a civilized people and a race of serial killers has nothing to do with letting the serial killers have more of your land, and everything to do with recycling the serial killers into a nutrient-rich soil additive, or in this case, a lovely glow-in-the-dark skate park.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

24 posted on 07/08/2010 3:07:58 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

THX THX.

THANKFULLY, GOD IS IN CHARGE, NOT THE EVIL ONE.

Will get increasingly ‘interesting.’


25 posted on 07/08/2010 5:35:11 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ps2

I’m not sure of the timing.

However,

THOSE WILL BE ISRAEL’S BOUNDARIES.

THAT

IS MORE CERTAIN THAN THAT THE SUN WILL RISE TOMORROW.


26 posted on 07/08/2010 5:36:48 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Israel will complete the job and then some.

Right idea, but wrong answer.

El Shaddai will complete the job and THEN SOME!

27 posted on 07/08/2010 5:45:44 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: B-Chan; GiovannaNicoletta
Another nitwit sighting Darby crap.

Next time learn some history before you spout stupidity.

Man I hate stupid people.

28 posted on 07/08/2010 6:00:09 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

Perhaps he should discuss Edward Irving then.


29 posted on 07/08/2010 7:07:09 PM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: brent13a; GiovannaNicoletta
Whats interesting is this article is about Israel being attacked.

Irving didn't start his beliefs into end time prophecies until 1826, and Israel became a nation in 1948, 122 years later.

Either Irving was being prophetic or he was reading the Bible, and the Bible was being prophetic.

Either way for Irving, he seems to be accurate about the importance of Israel in end time prophecies, and its role.

30 posted on 07/08/2010 7:20:03 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man
Man I hate stupid people.

You must hate yourself, then.

31 posted on 07/08/2010 9:02:01 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan
WOW!!!

Now that was a good retort.

You must have spent almost 3 hours thinking that one up.

I truly feel humbled by it.

32 posted on 07/09/2010 4:55:13 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: brent13a
"Perhaps he should discuss Edward Irving then."

Or Margaret MacDonald.

33 posted on 07/09/2010 6:34:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: mountn man

Yes, you’re right!


34 posted on 07/09/2010 1:59:21 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: mountn man
The truth about Darby has been posted, MM. Numerous times.

The truth is well known but since it nukes the cherished belief that the Biblical doctrine of the Rapture is a lie, and since those who believe that the Biblical doctrine of the Rapture is a lie don't have the courage to come out and call God a liar, Darby is a convenient boogyman for those who reject many parts of Scripture, among them the parts that tell us that the Church will be taken off the earth before judgment.

It's really just that simple.

35 posted on 07/09/2010 2:05:54 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: circlecity
Or Margaret MacDonald.

In the interest of truth:

Margaret McDonald Who?

I have visited just about every anti-rapture web site on the internet. One common point used on nearly every one of these sites to oppose the pretribulation doctrine is the claim that the rapture theory was started by a Scottish girl named Margaret MacDonald. Many critics of the rapture declare that MacDonald received her vision from demonic origins, and that she then passed on the message of that vision to infect the Church. Being a staunch pretribulationist, I'm at a loss to explain the connection between Margaret MacDonald and my beliefs in the rapture. I cannot recall ever hearing pre-trib prophetic speakers say, "I believe in the rapture because Margaret MacDonald told me so."

After reading and listening to a number of web sites, books, and radio programs that promote the idea that Margaret MacDonald started pretribulationism, I decided to look into the matter.

To be certain that I made no oversight, I searched through my library of prophecy books for references citing Margaret MacDonald as the founder of the rapture teaching. My hunt turned out to be in vain. It was like looking for the cartoon character "Where's Waldo." Only in this case, no Waldo was to be found.

If MacDonald was the founder of the pretribulation rapture, as most anti-rapture proponents say, then someone needs to explain why rapturists have failed to give her credit. You would expect to find dozens of books that expound upon her every word. From reading the writings of anti-rapture authors, one would think we pre-tribbers would be reverencing MacDonald as Catholics do Mary. But clearly we don't. Pre-tribbers don’t go around reciting, "Hail Margaret full of grace, blessed art thou among visionaries, pray for us sinners at the time of the rapture." If MacDonald were the founder of the doctrine of rapture, the lack of recognition we rapture believers pay her would be comparable to the modern Mormon church failing to recognize Joseph Smith as its founder or to the Jehovah's witnesses neglecting to identify Charles Russell as that group’s originator. Poor Margaret MacDonald, she gets all of the blame, but none of the credit.

After having examined the claims of those critical of the rapture, I have found holes large enough to drive a dump truck through in their so-called evidence:

The first problem with the MacDonald origin is the fact that she wasn't the one who widely taught the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture. A man named John Darby is believed by many to have sparked modern interest in the rapture. The question here is how Darby came to hear of MacDonald's vision. Proponents like Dave MacPherson and John L. Bray have never been able to prove that Darby had ever heard of MacDonald or her vision.

Darby himself claims the revelation of the rapture came to him when he realized the distinction between Israel and the church.

Darby reported that he discovered the rapture teaching in 1827, three years before MacDonald had her vision.

When one closely examines MacDonald's vision, it becomes clear that her vision could not have been a pretribulational one. MacDonald looked for a "fiery trial which is to try us," and she foresaw the Church being purged by the Antichrist. Any pretribulation rapturist can tell you the Church will be removed before the advent of the Antichrist. John Bray, an anti-rapturist, said himself that Margaret MacDonald was teaching a single coming of our Lord Jesus. This contradicts current rapture doctrine, which teaches a two-staged event—first, Christ coming for His Church and second, seven years later His return to earth. With so many contradictions between MacDonald's vision and today's pretribulationism, it is difficult to see any linkage.

By far the biggest mistake post-tribulationists have made attacking the rapture is claiming that the pretribulation rapture wasn’t taught before 1830. In fact, John L. Bray, a Southern Baptist evangelist, offered $500 to anyone who could prove that someone taught the rapture doctrine prior to MacDonald's 1830 vision. Bray was first proven wrong when he wrote in a newsletter, "Then my own research indicated that it was Emmanuel Lacunza, a Jesuit Catholic priest, who in the 1812 book The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty, first taught this theory." Bray stuck his neck out again when he made another $500 offer to anyone who could provide a documented statement earlier than Lacunza's 1812 writings. Apparently he had to cough up the 500 bucks. I quote him again: "I offered $500 to anyone who would give a documented statement earlier than Lacunza's time which taught a two-stage coming of Christ separated by a stated period of time.” No one claimed that offer until someone found writings that forced Bray to write the following: “Now I have the Photostat copies of a book published in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1788 but written in 1742-1744 in England, which taught the pretribulation rapture before Lacunza." Lately, a number of other sources have been located that teach the pretribulation rapture--some written as early as the second century. Where does this leave Margaret MacDonald?

In my life here on earth, I've made a number of observations that I regard as undeniable truths. One of these is the fact that the truth will suffer attacks with no one defending it, while a lie will be allowed to proliferate with no one challenging it. This seems to have taken place in the case of the rapture. For years on end, anti-rapturists have been allowed to attack pretribulationism freely. One assailant called the rapture the mark of the beast while another remarked that when Jesus returns at the battle of Armageddon, He will fight against those who believe in the rapture. The people who should have been contending for the rapture, for the most part, just said, "That may be your opinion."

Finally, it appears that those who hold to a pretribulation rapture are beginning to counter the ridiculous charges. A number of books have been published that cite several pre-MacDonald sources describing a raptured Church. Author Grant Jeffrey deserves a good deal of praise for his work in discovering many of these sources.

As far as being able to find the pretribulation rapture in the Bible, we don’t need to be rocket scientists to discover it. For me, locating the rapture doctrine in the Bible was as simple as finding evidence that Jesus Christ is Messiah.

The evidence that Christians believed in the rapture long before MacDonald does not seem to have sunk into the minds of those opposed to the rapture. They still teach that she is the founder of pretribulationism. When someone is presented with overwhelming proof that he or she is wrong and refuses to accept that truth, then we certainly may conclude that he or she is in spiritual darkness.

I would like to conclude by saying that no evidence whatsoever points to MacDonald as the source of pretribulationism. Every major prophetic author alive today claims the Word of God as the foundation for belief in the rapture. Both Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul made statements that clearly establish the rapture doctrine. Jesus said, in Matthew 25:13, "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." Paul affirmed in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

36 posted on 07/09/2010 2:12:36 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Most people who spew about Darby, fail to note that the idea or terminology of the "rapture" can be traced back to at least 400 ad.

St. Jerome who first translated the Bible into latin used rapiemur because it was the word in latin that most closely captured the meaning of the Greek word harpazo meaning to snatch out or away, to seize, carry off by force.

Seeing that Jerome was translating, the idea wasn't his. He was already translating for something already being taught.

37 posted on 07/09/2010 2:40:05 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

Exactly. If Scripture isn’t good enough for them, there is abundant evidence of the fact that the doctrine of the Rapture was believed and was being taught in the early church.


38 posted on 07/09/2010 2:42:02 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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