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Atheist child indoctrination, “child abuse,” and “brain washing”
Examiner ^ | May 15, 2010 AD | Mariano Grinbank

Posted on 07/10/2010 8:29:54 AM PDT by MarianoApologeticus

Albuquerque’s local all things liberal publication “The Weekly Alibi” reported on a local “workshop on thoughtful ways to raise intellectually curious children outside of a religious faith” via the atheist catechism in the form of the book “Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Children Without Religion” which was an “event, sponsored by the Humanist Society of New Mexico.”

As much research as uncovered, “raise intellectually curious children…” is a way for atheist parents to hide the fact that they want to raise their children to be atheists. Of course, research has also uncovered that some atheist parents are not at all shy about this fact.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheist; childrearing; moralabsolutes

1 posted on 07/10/2010 8:29:56 AM PDT by MarianoApologeticus
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To: MarianoApologeticus

Atheist parents who try to raise “intellectually curious” children are often disappointed because those children usually end up believing in God. If parents really wish to make atheist children, they should live lives of hypocrisy; that is, be atheists, but pretend to be Christians. That will sour kids on God real fast.. .a lot faster than involving them in intellectual pursuit.


2 posted on 07/10/2010 8:42:11 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: MarianoApologeticus

What is it about liberalism that makes them want to force others to believe as they do?

I have no problem with them wanting to raise their kids any way they please, but why do they insist that EVERYONE ELSE raise their kids the way THEY believe

It is a mental desease


3 posted on 07/10/2010 8:42:56 AM PDT by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofread- I swear I try!)
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To: MarianoApologeticus
So why can't children of faith be intellectually curious children?
4 posted on 07/10/2010 8:48:42 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: Mr. K
What is it about liberalism that makes them want to force others to believe as they do?

It is the because liberalism at its core is anti-freedom. We as Americans believe that we have inherent freedoms granted to us by our Creator. These freedoms give us the right to raise our children as we see fit.

5 posted on 07/10/2010 8:50:13 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: svcw
So why can't children of faith be intellectually curious children?

Because our children do not think as these people do. Like anyone with a losing argument, they instantly attempt to belittle their opponents by claiming that they themselves are intellectually "superior."

To paraphrase a commonly observed and commented upon view, it never ceases to amaze me how little "free" thought there is among "free" thinkers. They almost all march entirely in lockstep with one another.

6 posted on 07/10/2010 8:56:11 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Good points.


7 posted on 07/10/2010 8:59:31 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: MarianoApologeticus

So now WE are on the side of telling parents what and how to inform their children.

Treading dangerous ground, IMO.


8 posted on 07/10/2010 9:02:31 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: MarianoApologeticus

I do not have a problem with atheists and fully respect their choice but I’m finding too many atheists(not all) are mostly anti-Christian(although very silent on Islam) in their rhetoric while attempting to remove all traces of Christianity in our society .


9 posted on 07/10/2010 9:05:00 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Guyin4Os

excellent point and often true. Intellectually curious children often begin to ask all sorts of questions about God and religion and often at a minimum move into the agnostic position with an open mind. They also as you say can become all out believers much to the astounding head scratching of their parents. usually only one parent is truly atheist.


10 posted on 07/10/2010 9:09:24 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
yes. you hit the nail on the head. I do have an atheist friend and an agnostic friend. Both early on in the friendship display this rabid hate and attack of Christianity and I challenged them directly on it. I basically said I questioned their believe and embracing of it if it took attacking what they see as the polar opposite to prop themselves and their beliefs up. I also took on the attacks on Christianity and discussed them with confidence and intelligence.

Soon following I actually saw one of them criticizing other agnostics for attacking Christianity and even more curiosity about specific religions in general. The other (the atheist) is still where she is at and it is her belief. I do however correct her when she makes inaccurate judgments and conclusions about Catholicism and Christians that are untrue. Honestly I like having a few friends that challenge me and my beliefs. It helps me to look at myself and my beliefs objectively and ask the hard questions about myself and my own faith. My faith has strengthened. Oddly God always intervenes and says, "I AM HERE." That is the cool thing about being a believer. God actually exists and I see Him.

11 posted on 07/10/2010 9:18:00 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: MarianoApologeticus

I hope the kids notice that no professed atheist lives consistently with their supposed worldview. They all act as if there are eternal absolutes which touch on various areas of their existance.


12 posted on 07/10/2010 9:34:15 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: MarianoApologeticus

Unfortunately, you can’t always save the world. Look at the people who have children living in San Fransicko.
That alone is child abuse.


13 posted on 07/10/2010 9:40:45 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MarianoApologeticus
Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Children Without Religion”

leads to a belief that there are no absolutes which leads to relativistic ethics and arbitrary laws.This leads to increased risk of statism and socialism in the long run.

14 posted on 07/10/2010 9:44:59 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: mjp
leads to a belief that there are no absolutes which leads to relativistic ethics and arbitrary laws.

Exactly. How do you explain to a child why what we think is "good" is "good?"

15 posted on 07/10/2010 9:50:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: svcw

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Atheist child indoctrination, “child abuse,” and “brain washing”, svcw wrote:
So why can’t children of faith be intellectually curious children?

They can be. I was such a child. I then later became an atheist.


16 posted on 07/10/2010 9:57:11 AM PDT by GeorgeSaden
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To: MarianoApologeticus
parents have the right to teach their children anything they wish and it is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

If you try and stop atheists from teaching their children atheist beliefs, it wont be long before the government starts coming to stop you from teaching your children Christian beliefs.

17 posted on 07/10/2010 10:11:03 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: MarianoApologeticus

Most children inherit their parents religious beliefs.


18 posted on 07/10/2010 10:24:37 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The compulsion/intimidation comes more from the atheists. Kurt Goedel, one of the great mathematicians, became as a student of Leibnitz, a theist, but as a shy man was ridiculed and even lost students because of the intolerant climate of Princeton. Many people who have abandoned the classical two-tier universe
for the Flatlands of scientism, literally cannot rise above that level when confronted by situations that demand they question the received wisdom. To put it another way, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man risks getting his eye poked out.


19 posted on 07/10/2010 11:28:26 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: MarianoApologeticus

I don’t see this in a negative light. In fact, it sounds like there is a need for a workshop on how religious parents can raise “intellectually curious children” within their religion.

Religions make a serious mistake by being intellectually segregated from other studies. In truth, religion is part philosophy, part history, part government, part business, and part language and other studies. These need to be taught apart from, but as part of, religion.

Instead, what we have today is a homogeneity of religious faiths and ideas. Presbyterians in practice little different from Methodists, etc.

Imagine going to say, an Episcopalian church, finding a dozen adults, and ask them what is the history of *their* religion? Think any would have a clue?


20 posted on 07/10/2010 11:38:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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21 posted on 07/10/2010 1:01:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarianoApologeticus; All
To turn children into atheists, as opposed to an young person or adult who, so to speak, declines to accept the existence of God, parents must disabuse children of what their own eyes are telling them.

This seems to me to be an emotionally and psychologically disturbing process, especially so the younger the age it occurs. It is not the flip side of a parent providing a child religious instruction, which (truth be told) the child may or may not accept. Religious instruction at least does not require the child, at fundamental levels, to say that his own instinctive conclusions are actually lies.

This is not to say that, as the child grows up, he may not choose to dismiss what his eyes tell him. But that is not as harmful psychologically as having parents teach him from an early age that he cannot trust his own spiritual instincts at all.

Fascinating research here:

Children are born believers in God, academic claims.

22 posted on 07/10/2010 1:02:39 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Obama: "I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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23 posted on 07/10/2010 1:19:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: MarianoApologeticus

Gee! Why should atheist parents worry about raising atheist children?

Tax funded and secular ( that means godless) government schools teach our nation’s kids to think godlessly ALL DAY LONG!


24 posted on 07/10/2010 2:04:23 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Guyin4Os
If parents really wish to make atheist children, they should live lives of hypocrisy; that is, be atheists, but pretend to be Christians. That will sour kids on God real fast.. .a lot faster than involving them in intellectual pursuit.

Sadly, there's way too much truth in your comment.

25 posted on 07/10/2010 3:45:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

It’s a simple law of nature. Children are affected and influenced by what they are taught both in school and at home and at church. They are influenced by their peers, their parents and teachers. If they are taught about God, with love and understanding, they will be more likely to accept God when they are older.

If they are taught that God does not exist, this will influence them but not necessarily for ever, but it will have influence.

Right now, such influence is a veritable onslaught via public education, the media of all kinds and the general culture. This is very unfortunate and means that parents who want their children to be safe from this malignant influence have to be very alert, cautious and pro-active.


26 posted on 07/10/2010 5:55:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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