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Is Islam Part OF God's Plan?
http://www.zenit.org/ ^ | July 11, 2010 | Mirko Testa

Posted on 07/11/2010 5:55:15 AM PDT by Biggirl

ROME, JULY 9, 2010 (Zenit.org).- The coexistence of Christians and Muslims is good for civil society because their mutual questioning of the other's faith acts as a stimulus and leads to deeper understanding, says a Jesuit priest who is an expert in Islamic studies.

This is the opinion of Father Samir Khalil Samir, an Islamic scholar and Catholic theologian born in Egypt and based in the Middle East for more than 20 years.

He teaches Catholic theology and Islamic studies at St. Joseph University in Beirut, is founder of the CEDRAC research institute and is author of many articles and books, including "111 Questions on Islam."

(Excerpt) Read more at zenit.org ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christanity; islam; society

1 posted on 07/11/2010 5:55:20 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

The author writes this article on the false premise islam is a merely religion. It is far more than a religion. It is a violent political ideology with its own court system. Religion is only one component used to impose islam on non muslim societies. Their goal is world domination as it was the Nazi’s goal. Is world domination part of God’s plan? Was Nazism part of God’s plan? Islam is anathema to the U.S. Constitution. The two cannot coexist in this country.


2 posted on 07/11/2010 6:02:22 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Biggirl

Was sin part of Gods plan? After all eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil could only increase mans understanding of Gods plan.


3 posted on 07/11/2010 6:05:23 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: Biggirl

Mind if we read it here? Not on excerpt list, and FR’s font and background make for easier reading. Although kudos to the webmaster for otherwise making his site flash and popup free. I do recommend going back. But FR’s environment still makes for easier reading.

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Is Islam Part of God’s Plan?

Interview With Jesuit Father Samir Khalil Samir

By Mirko Testa

ROME, JULY 9, 2010 (Zenit.org).- The coexistence of Christians and Muslims is good for civil society because their mutual questioning of the other’s faith acts as a stimulus and leads to deeper understanding, says a Jesuit priest who is an expert in Islamic studies.

This is the opinion of Father Samir Khalil Samir, an Islamic scholar and Catholic theologian born in Egypt and based in the Middle East for more than 20 years.

He teaches Catholic theology and Islamic studies at St. Joseph University in Beirut, is founder of the CEDRAC research institute and is author of many articles and books, including “111 Questions on Islam.”

ZENIT spoke with Father Samir regarding the June 21-22 meeting in Lebanon of the Oasis International Foundation, which seeks to promote mutual knowledge among Christians and Muslims.

ZENIT: Why was the subject of education placed at the center of the Oasis meeting this year?

Father Samir: The problem we are experiencing both in the Church as well as in Islam is that we are not always able to transmit the faith easily to the new generation and the generations to come. The question we ask ourselves is: In what way should we rethink the faith for young people, but also in parishes or in mosques, in the talks that religious address to their faithful?

This is what we want: to make a study of the Christian experience in Lebanon, and the Muslim Sunni experience and the Muslim Shiite experience in this ambit. We want to compare, to identify even if it is only the common difficulties, to seek together an answer to them. I think this has been the main objective of our meeting in face of a dialogue of cultures in the Christian and the Muslim faith.

ZENIT: What effect would the disappearance of the Churches of the Middle East have on the Christian and Muslim world?

Father Samir: The disappearance of the Churches of the Middle East would be, first of all, a loss for Christianity, because, as John Paul II said, the Church, as every human being, lives with two lungs: the Eastern and the Western. Now, the Eastern Churches were born here in the land of Jesus, in the territories of the Middle East, where Christ lived. And if this experience, these millennia of tradition are lost, then the loss will be for the whole Church, both of the Christians of the East as well as the Christians of the West.

However, there is more to this: if Christian leave the Middle East, in other words, if the Muslims remain alone, an element of stimulation will be lacking — represented, in fact, by that element of diversity that Christians can contribute. Diversity of faith, because Muslims ask us every day: How is it that you say that God is One and Triune? This is contradictory. And we say: How is it that you say that Mohammed is a prophet? What are, for you, the criteria of prophecy? Does Mohammed answer to these criteria? And what does it mean that the Quran is from God? In what sense do you say that it descended on Mohammed? We say that the Bible is divine, but mediated through human authors, whereas Muslims want to remove Mohammed’s mediation.

These questions that they ask us and that we ask are a stimulus, not only for civilization, but also for civil society. It would be a great loss because the risk exists of wishing to found a society, a state based on the sharia, that is, on something that was established in the seventh century in the region of the Arabian Peninsula, even if for Muslims the sharia is generic and true for all centuries and all cultures.

And this is Islam’s great problem: how can Islam be re-thought today? The absence of Christians would make the problem even more acute.

ZENIT: Will there be at some point an enlightenment for Islam?

Father Samir: For the West, for the Church, the Enlightenment meant a renewal of the mind of the faith, which enabled us to be inspired by the culture and the criticism that came with it. The Enlightenment meant throwing full light on the realities of the world of faith. The risk of the believer is to begin only from the religious phenomenon, which is a partial phenomenon in human life and in the life of society.

If we don’t confront this religious phenomenon with science, with human rights, with the development of psychology, of the human sciences, with the cultures of the world, we will not have an open Christianity or, in this specific case, an open Islam.

Your question is: would Islam be capable of an enlightenment? In theory, yes. We had an example in the ninth and 10th centuries. There was then an enlightenment inspired by Syrian Christians coming from Syria, Palestine and Iraq who assimilated the Hellenic culture, transmitted it, translated it, commented upon it, were inspired by it, thus producing generations of Muslim thinkers who did the same applying it to the Quran, to the dogmas and sacred traditions.

This phenomenon continued until the 11th century and then it died slowly, because there was an Islamist reaction, which translated it into a strictly religious reaction, with the exclusion of philosophy, for example, and of historical religious criticism. If this continues to happen, there will never be an enlightenment. A prior condition is that Muslims increasingly study all the sciences and agree to study the text of the Quran as any other text of Arab literature, with the same criteria.

The main objective is to begin with a demystified history. And I hope that we will come to this critical and also religious rereading of the Quran: faith and culture, faith and science, faith and reason. This was the essential point of the Regensburg address of Sept. 12, 2006, and it continues to be this, although it was a shock for many Muslims in particular, and for certain Eastern Christians who are culturally Islamized.

ZENIT: In what way can we insert the birth and diffusion of Islam within the salvific plan?

Father Samir: This is a delicate but legitimate question. We can express it thus: “Insofar as what has been given to men to know about this, does Islam have a place in God’s plan?”

In the course of history, Christians of the East have often asked themselves this question. The answer of Arab Christian theologians was: “God has permitted the birth of Islam to punish Christians for their infidelities.” I think the truth about Islam leads back to the division between Eastern Christians, a division often due to nationalist and cultural motives hidden behind theological formulas. This situation impeded them from proclaiming the Good News to the peoples of the region, something that Islam has done partially.

Islam served to reaffirm faith in one God, the call to dedicate ourselves completely to him, to modify our life to adore him. It was a healthy reaction, in continuity with the Jewish and Christian biblical tradition. But in reality, to come to this it eliminated everything that created a bit of difficulty, in particular: the human and at the same time divine nature of Christ; the One and Triune God, who is dialogue and love; and the fact that Christ became obedient unto death on the cross, that he emptied himself, as St. Paul says, out of love for us.

Hence, it is a rationalized religion, not in the sense according to the Spirit and divine rationality, but in the sense of being simplified of those aspects that human reason cannot contain. Hence, Islam presents itself as the third and last revealed religion ... and for us, obviously, it isn’t. After Christ — whom the Quran recognizes as Word of God, Verbum of God — it is incomprehensible that God sent another Word that is the Quran.

If the Quran was in agreement and served to clarify the Gospel, I would say: why not? Like the saints who throw light on the Gospel and on the person of Jesus. But here, no: it is in contradiction. That is why I cannot say that God has sent a prophet — which would be Mohammed — with a new revelation. Even less can I say of him that he is “the seal of the prophets,” khatam al-nabiyyin, as the Quran states, namely, that he completes and corrects and leads the revelation of Christ to fulfillment.

ZENIT: But then, what is Islam’s place in God’s plan?

Father Samir: I think that for us Christians it is a stimulus to lead us back to the foundation of it all: God is the Only One, the Ultimate Reality — which is the fundamental Jewish and Christian affirmation, taken up by the Quran in the beautiful sura 112: “Yes: God is the Only One! God is the Impenetrable One!” etc. An affirmation, which modern life runs the risk of making us forget. Islam reminds us that, if Christ is the center of the Christian faith, he is so always in relation with the Father; to remain in unity, even if the Quran has not managed to understand what the Holy Spirit is.

We are questioned every day by Muslims about our faith, and this leads us to rethink it constantly from the perspective of Islam. I thank Muslims for their criticisms, so long as they make them as reflection and not as controversy. I would say the same for Christians’ questions.

Our vocation, that of us Christians of the East, is to live with Muslims, whether we like it or not. It is a mission! It is difficult, but we must live together. Because of this, I would say that it falls to Muslims to defend the Christian presence, and to Christians to defend the Muslim presence. It is not up to each one of us, in fact, to defend ourselves, as this would lead to confrontation.

Therefore, I hope that the synod on the Middle East , which will take place Oct. 10-24, will help us Christians of the West and the East, but that it might also help Muslims, to rethink the meaning of the divine plan that we must rediscover in friendship and at times in confrontation: why are we together in this land of the Middle East, which is the land of Jesus — certainly — but also the land of Moses and Mohammed? This land must truly come to be “Holy Land.”


4 posted on 07/11/2010 6:05:46 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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To: Man50D
The anti-Christ is part of God's plan. Islam is part of God's plan. Whether either is a force for good is a different question, and it takes quite a stretch to call either a positive, but they are part of God's plan.

Christianity: love your neighbor as yourself.

Islam: murder some innocents and get "70 perpetual virgins" in heaven

I don't see how anyone can put the two on the same moral plane.

5 posted on 07/11/2010 6:06:12 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: BipolarBob

The possibility of sin was certainly in God’s plan. The inevitability of the consequences is likewise.


6 posted on 07/11/2010 6:07:00 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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To: Biggirl

Only to the extent that Satan has a role in God’s plan. Exactly to that extent, like they are one in the same.


7 posted on 07/11/2010 6:08:58 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Larry Lucido

Of course, God planned for the possibility of sin. But that doesn’t mean that was part of the plan, but a deviation from His plan. Gods original plan was for no sin and no Islam. That was The Plan.


8 posted on 07/11/2010 6:11:38 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: Biggirl

NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO!!


9 posted on 07/11/2010 6:16:16 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Biggirl

questioning of faith in Jehovah was a constant long before the emergence of a religious-political ideology based on conquest by force, acceptable and encouraged murder of “non believers”, and enslavement of woman in the name of “virtue”


10 posted on 07/11/2010 6:20:12 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: Pollster1
The anti-Christ is part of God's plan. Islam is part of God's plan.

Perpetrating evil on humanity is part of God's plan? Really?
11 posted on 07/11/2010 6:24:48 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Biggirl
I was taught to believe in the Old and New Testament. The life, death, and resurrection of Christ was the fulfillment of both. There would be no other testaments until Christ returned to judge the living and the dead.

There was no P.S. or appendix to the bible. That was it. Therefore, islam is either an outright lie made up from whole cloth by an insane, blashphemous person or it was un-divinely inspired by dark forces to bring strife, death, and destruction to the world.

Considering the story about how the koran was created and what has transpired since, I'm inclined to believe in the second origin.

12 posted on 07/11/2010 6:31:29 AM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: Man50D

In that split second before the Muzzie sword severs his stupid neck—he will understand.


13 posted on 07/11/2010 6:31:56 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: Biggirl
Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John:14

He warns his disciples to beware of false prophets. I reckon he knew what was coming.

Good Morning!

14 posted on 07/11/2010 6:39:17 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Biggirl

Yes, very plainly. From Genesis 16: (read esp v 11-12)

7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”
“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count.”

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
“You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael, [a]
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward [b] all his brothers.”


15 posted on 07/11/2010 6:45:52 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Man50D

Islam = Anti Christ


16 posted on 07/11/2010 6:53:33 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: Biggirl

No different than asking if the nazi’s were part of God’s plan.


17 posted on 07/11/2010 6:58:16 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Thanks Larry. A very interesting interview.

Not as “hard edged” as some prefer; but the priest raises very valid points. I was especially interested in his reference to a “reformation” in Islam in the 10 / 11 centuries. I was unaware of that.

I wonder if there is anything in the past where Muslims spoke for tolerance? Christianity has plenty of that. Do Muslims see tolerance = infidelity?


18 posted on 07/11/2010 6:59:13 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: BipolarBob

Not being a predestinationist, I agree. I do believe that for every plan, God has a backup plan.

I wonder if islam would exist if Ishmael had not been conceived? Kinda moot, I guess.


19 posted on 07/11/2010 7:03:35 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. ~Ayn Rand)
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To: Biggirl

People are free to believe whatever they want, but in many ways Scripture says “there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:12).

Further,

Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
(1 Corinthians 15:24-26 ESV)

Islam is just the most widely accepted pagan religion. People in the East worship elephants and cows.

Paul tells us they are really worshiping demons:

No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. (1 Corinthians 10:20 ESV)

For someone to say otherwise is nothing less than a lie.


20 posted on 07/11/2010 7:05:56 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Biggirl

The well-educated cleric is wrong and stupid. He is talking about a violent world-domination ideology cleverly disguised as a religion.


21 posted on 07/11/2010 7:13:07 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism: severe deterioration of the thinking apparattus)
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To: Biggirl

Question:
“Is Islam Part OF God’s Plan?”

Answer:
No.


22 posted on 07/11/2010 7:15:05 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Biggirl

A Jesuit? Of course!


23 posted on 07/11/2010 7:15:29 AM PDT by eCSMaster (He promised hope; he gave us hype. He promised change; he gave us chains!)
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To: Biggirl
Islam is the plan of the Evil One for world domination.

Anyone who has sought the face of YHvH and His salvation through His Word would know that.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

24 posted on 07/11/2010 7:36:35 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

bingo


25 posted on 07/11/2010 7:39:41 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Biggirl
Islam... the anus of religious thought.

Islam... the anus of religious thought.

26 posted on 07/11/2010 7:39:51 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Pollster1

Like Nazism, Islam is obsessed with earthly perfection, which is unattainable. You can’t be perfect, it’s impossible. Muslims worry more about praying five times a day than about building their country and living lives that accept the fallibility of man.

In Judeo-Christian societies, the citizenry worry more about building their country and accept that no one is perfect, which is okay. Without worrying about earthly perfection, they can concentrate on living life and being human.


27 posted on 07/11/2010 7:47:23 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Biggirl
The Book of Revelation is replete with references to the role of Satan in the world.
28 posted on 07/11/2010 8:16:25 AM PDT by G Larry (Democrats: expediting the Destruction of America, before they lose power...)
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To: Biggirl

I realize that you’ve contributed this for discussion’s sake. I must answer the general question: No, I truly do not believe islam (forever small “i”) is part of God’s plan. There is one True Faith. And there are many theologians that enjoy a comfortable life due to selling books based on controversial premises that do most emphatically NOT adhere to Catholic teaching and Magisterium. This person is one.


29 posted on 07/11/2010 8:22:01 AM PDT by sayuncledave
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To: Biggirl

The human species as we know it is destined to strive for greatness, having a challenge is our destiny, having no opposition and a free and easy lifestyle with no worries, no problems and no enemies always leads to a weakened society, of which our current generation is a victim of, why?

Because we do need to war, to kill, to struggle the reach a better lifestyle that cannot be done with enemies at close hand.

Islam is our precipice, we need to get to the edge, and Obama is the temptation of the devil, those that follow him are casting off their souls, those that talk of living alongside Islam are only surrendering to the inevitable conclusion, Christianity and Islam absolutely cannot exist in close contact, no way no how.

Islam seeks total domination, absolute obedience, to willfully die for Mohammed, we are Spartans, those that don’t measure up, those that cannot raise their shields are not worthy of being a Spartan.

And frankly I think we have also forgotten the Spartans, something to think about.


30 posted on 07/11/2010 8:32:01 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: cdcdawg
"Only to the extent that Satan has a role in God’s plan. Exactly to that extent, like they are one in the same."

Much evidence, including the latter Su'ras (and not to mention the front-page headlines in recent years), indicates Islam is a Satanic death cult, the living embodiment of nihilism.

And it was foretold in prophecy, and the Bible on your shelf stands in testimony to that. Here is what it says about Islam's progenitor, Ishmael:

Gen 16:12 [KJV]

And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
31 posted on 07/11/2010 8:35:33 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: BipolarBob

That sounds like Mormonism to me. Ten foot pole alert.


32 posted on 07/11/2010 9:02:23 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: All

The reason why I posted it was because just the title itself took me by surprise. The truth is that Christianity and Islam WILL NEVER TRULY GET ALONG. It is like cats and dogs or water and eletricity.


33 posted on 07/11/2010 9:13:55 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

The Bible passage mentioned has been realized so many times.


34 posted on 07/11/2010 9:25:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

I’m convinced the anti-christ will be Islamic.


35 posted on 07/11/2010 9:28:41 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Niuhuru

I like and agree with your response. Islam DEMANDS you be perfect. The Christian faith KNOWS that you CANNOT BE PERFECT. That is why in the latter God sent His Son, WHO IS PERFECT, go to the Cross in order to forgive sinful humanity of his/her sins.


36 posted on 07/11/2010 9:35:47 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: aimhigh

Me too, the more as time goes on.


37 posted on 07/11/2010 9:42:08 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

The Islam faith is a Satanic death cult...and Muslims do not know but they actually worship a Satanic demon...proof is that they reject Christ [the true and only living God] and their false scriptures only make Christ out to be another god. True Christians will never “get along” with false Christ rejecting cults.


38 posted on 07/11/2010 10:18:40 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: aimhigh

Certain scriptures suggest the Antichrist may be a Syrian Jew. Now those are in short supply.


39 posted on 07/11/2010 10:53:14 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: bibletruth

Or rather the Muslims and their Koran make Christ out to be just another prophet. Simply put, not regarded as the Son of God.


40 posted on 07/11/2010 11:19:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Man50D
The author writes this article on the false premise islam is a merely religion.

The author's premise is consistent with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

41 posted on 07/11/2010 11:24:04 AM PDT by Gamecock ("God leads us to eternal life not by our merits but according to his mercy." - Augustine)
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To: Biggirl
You have caused a good debate with this, so good to see Christians intermingle with thoughts and discussion...
42 posted on 07/11/2010 12:22:57 PM PDT by gulfcoast6 (GOD IS!)
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To: gulfcoast6

This what I want see, discussions on what is important in the world of current events and faith. Better then flaming each other. :)=^..^=

Thank-you. :)=^..^=


43 posted on 07/11/2010 12:51:22 PM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Gamecock
The author's premise is consistent with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church better wake up to reality.

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims
44 posted on 07/11/2010 4:08:48 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Biggirl

As the muslim gang surrounded the lone Christian male, a knife slashed across his abdomen. The attackers reached inside a pulled the vicims intestines out and placed them inside the his hands. One shouts; this is a gift from allah’ Crying out, another attacker with blood up to his elbows screams ‘Our God is greatest, the muslims left the man alone to die.


45 posted on 07/12/2010 12:22:05 AM PDT by STD (Oil-Bambi's Revenge and econ 101 by the Father of Facist Capitalism)
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To: All

Proof that the “Allah” that Muslims worship is the DEVIL.


46 posted on 07/12/2010 3:40:36 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

God’s Plan does not require to performance of that which is “good for nothingness”, which is also a type of sin. His Plan is anything but sinful. His Plan never misses the mark.

He doesn’t keep people from straying away from His Plan, insofar as He doesn’t intrude upon volition, nor the consequences of our volition and decisions. By grace, He is free, by remaining perfectly just and righteous, to provide for us, so that we might accept His grace and return to Him through faith in Christ.

Without returning through faith in Christ, we have no forgiveness of sin and still stand out of fellowship with Him. We return into fellowship first by turning back to Him, through faith in Christ, then confessing those known and unknown sins to Him through faith alone in Christ alone.

At that point we might be in the right time and right place to perform in accordance with His Plan.


47 posted on 07/12/2010 3:54:31 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Larry Lucido
As in so many theological questions, the very first thing a good student will discern is the framework inherent in the question.

Father Samir: The problem we are experiencing both in the Church as well as in Islam is that we are not always able to transmit the faith easily to the new generation and the generations to come. The question we ask ourselves is: In what way should we rethink the faith for young people, but also in parishes or in mosques, in the talks that religious address to their faithful?

The question as framed, fails to properly address the mechanism by which Christian faith is provided. We do not transmit saving faith to any other human being, but God the Holy Spirit provides and grows that faith in us, while we remain with Him.

The entire line of reasoning which would follow any acceptance of the question, as a valid premise, falls out of fellowship with God. Ergo, wrong question.

48 posted on 07/12/2010 4:30:09 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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