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Salvadoran Catholic Church asks President Funes to veto Bible reading in schools (Translated)
La Prensa Grafica (El Salvador) ^ | July 11, 2010 | Stefany Jovel with reporting from Loida Martínez

Posted on 07/11/2010 12:05:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMind

"On behalf of the Catholic Church in El Salvador and society in general, we ask Mr. President to use his executive power to veto the decree referred to upholding the rule of law and democracy of our Salvadoran society"

The Episcopal Conference of El Salvador (CEDES) demanded on Sunday the president Mauricio Funes veto a legislative decree that compels us to read the Bible in schools, believing that "violates" the "religious freedom" enshrined in the Constitution.

The CEDES Funes makes the call under in the coming days must be punished, veto or observe the legislative decree 411 which provides read the Bible in classrooms to combat violence.

The education of children in the faith, according to the bishops, "is a right and duty" of parents, aided by ministers of religion.

"We are interested in reading the Bible, but not as imposing liability in the schools, hopefully becoming more read the Bible is more understood, more practiced," says the shepherd.

(Excerpt) Read more at translate.google.com ...


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To: Jvette; ConservativeMind
Univision reports that: El decreto aprobado establece que las lecturas serán seleccionadas por el Ministerio de or, as CM's would no doubt tell him, the approved law establishes that the readings will selections chosen by the Ministry of Education.

While I'm sure we can all be confident that the state will provide selections that are not tailor made to any ulterior purpose -heaven knows all good conservatives in the USA blindly trust our Department of Education - is it possible that individual teachers will put a spin on the passages that the Ministry allows? I know American teachers can always be trusted never to allow their personal opinions to intrude into the classroom, but . . .

21 posted on 07/11/2010 1:28:02 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
The Bible was taught in US schools for many years. It was also used to teach reading. Was there something wrong with with that among conservatives?
22 posted on 07/11/2010 1:28:26 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: wideawake
This is a pretty disgusting twisting of the facts on your part.

Catholic, Baptist and Pentecostal leaders are all opposing this move, because it involves individual teachers deciding which religion they want to teach in their classroom. it is seen also as an assault by liberals in the government on Christian schools of every denomination - by mandating a watered-down state-approved version of liberal Christianity the charters of the Christian schools will be labeled superfluous and will not be renewed.

Where's the article that confirms your story???

23 posted on 07/11/2010 1:31:38 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: ConservativeMind
La CEDES reconoce "las buenas intenciones" de los diputados que promulgaron el decreto 411, pero advierten que "lamentablemente la sola lectura bíblica sin la debida explicación y en un ambiente carente de fe no forma valores como se pretende".

This is the money quote and it makes perfect sense. The Catholic Church, still, to the absolute amazement of many, teaches that truth is one and all else is error. Thus, Scripture certainly requires "la debida explicacion". The authentic interpretation of Scripture and the deposit of faith is a gift from God to the Church, which allows us to safeguard the truth and pass it on untainted.

Call that "baggage", if you wish, but the YOPIOS approach yields confusion and a gaggle of conflicting voices.

The Catholic Church believes that God does far more than simply toss us a Bible and say "go figure". That might be the Protestant approach but God is a far better Father than that. He gives us the certitude of the truth.

What a surprise that the Church should wish to safeguard it.

24 posted on 07/11/2010 1:34:46 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: elpadre
In those days, there was a general consensus that the text of the Bible was to be respected and not used as a political weapon.

El Salvador in 2010 is not the USA in 1950.

The government here specifically says that the goal here is to use it as part of the government's anti-crime campaign. in other words: "Even the Bible says the government is right!" That doesn't make me feel too comfortable.

25 posted on 07/11/2010 1:37:30 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: vladimir998
Actually a number of different Christian groups have opposed this. The problem is the same one that happened here in the 19th century - the teacher of the class will choose how to interpret the Bible. Some of those teachers will undoubtedly mock the scriptures because they are unbelievers.

The law, which "institutes the reading of passages of the Bible on a daily basis and in a systematic way in all of the educational institutions of the country," was approved by the Salvadorian parliament. The readings will take place for up to seven minutes without additional commentaries.

I'm thinking you're just worried that more people will find out that the real church is not the Catholic religion...

26 posted on 07/11/2010 1:37:44 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: ConservativeMind; Jvette; vladimir998

BTW, in El Salvador Prensa is the liberal paper and Hoy is the conservative.


27 posted on 07/11/2010 1:41:06 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: ConservativeMind; Tax-chick

This doesn’t sound right. Calling someone who can translate it correctly.

There’s got to be more to this story. Like someone else deciding what children are taught rather than the parents.


28 posted on 07/11/2010 1:47:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

http://ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=16344


29 posted on 07/11/2010 1:47:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Don’t confuse a good anti-Catholic fetish orgy with facts. They don’t want to let go of the blood lust.


30 posted on 07/11/2010 1:50:18 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: ConservativeMind

Are you sure the Catholic Church is liberal??? LOL!

The Catholic Church is the only church, ONLY church, I repeat that has stood against abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, infatnacide — and the list goes on — same sex marriage.

Protestant churches have caved on these matters. Aren’t you aware of the number of Protestants that are coming back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church??

Please educate yourself.


31 posted on 07/11/2010 1:51:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wideawake; All
The actual text of the bill is not yet available, but even the president (who is Catholic) says he agrees with the bill in principle. We've searched for it for posting, and may do so when it is available.

Another good article here:

http://migenteinforma.org/presidente-funes-acuerdo-con-lectura-de-biblia-en-centros-escolares/

From that:

President Mauricio Funes said Tuesday July 6 that in principle he agrees with the reading of the Bible in schools, but pointed out that when you receive the decree of the Legislative Assembly, listen to different sectors and Registrar legal affairs office, before making a decision...

The decree passed by 45 votes in legislative fractions, except FMLN and CD, provides that prior to the start of the school day the Bible is read by an average of 7 minutes without performing any comments religious, sectarian or denominational.

The two paragraphs above are from Google Translate, so that you would not think I “colored” the truth.

32 posted on 07/11/2010 2:01:59 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Salvation

The legislature thinks reading the Bible in schools will combat violence. The bishops say that’s a nice thought, but that simply reading the Bible, without any instruction about what’s being read, is unlikely to help with that goal. And that if there is “teaching” being done, in addition to simply reading from the Bible, that is religious instruction which is not within the purview of the state. They say that religious instruction is the right and duty of parents, to be accomplished with the assistance of the parents’ chosen religious community.

OF COURSE Salvadoran Catholics have a perfectly good Spanish Bible (a number of versions) available to them. I own one, myself, “Latinoamerica, Edicion Pastoral.” Half the people in our Spanish charismatic prayer/Bible study group are Salvadoran. They know their Bible quite well.


33 posted on 07/11/2010 2:02:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: wideawake

Thank you. I knew that didn’t sound quite right.


34 posted on 07/11/2010 2:02:38 PM PDT by Desdemona (VIVA ESPANA! No relation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg3cshE_HbU)
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To: Salvation

Thank you!

I came back for just that reason.


35 posted on 07/11/2010 2:03:17 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Salvation

When they scour the internet to try to find any anti-Catholic screed they can, even at an amazing stretch of reality, I understand they keep a drip-cloth between themselves and the computer to catch the saliva.

Just an interesting piece of information.


36 posted on 07/11/2010 2:05:21 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: ConservativeMind
"How dare you be against this."

Because it opens the door for mandatory reading of the Koran too.

37 posted on 07/11/2010 2:06:22 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: wideawake

By the way, the two parties against the bill are the FMLN and the CD.

When you look those up, you realize they are Communist parties. I’m sure you remember the FMLN from years ago.


38 posted on 07/11/2010 2:10:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: ConservativeMind
How dare you be against this.

Because religious education and discipleship belong in the family and in the church - whatever church the family chooses - not in government institutions. I would oppose mandatory Bible reading in the county schools for which I pay taxes, for the same reason. State imposition of any religious practice is unsuitable.

39 posted on 07/11/2010 2:10:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick (We made a proactive decision to postpone the originally scheduled nightlife activities.)
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To: Natural Law

No, because it must be the Bible.

The real controversy is over which translation of the Bible might be read, or if that was up to the teachers, of which over 90 percent are Catholic, so I really don’t get the issue from any Catholics here on this.

It’s bizarre.


40 posted on 07/11/2010 2:11:50 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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