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Discovery in Jerusalem: Oldest Writing Ever Found There Unearthed
Jerusalem Post via A Sacred Page ^ | 07-11-10 | Jerusalem Post

Posted on 07/14/2010 4:55:00 PM PDT by Salvation

Sunday, July 11, 2010

Discovery in Jerusalem: Oldest Writing Ever Found There Unearthed

From the Jerusalem Post:
Hebrew University excavations recently unearthed a clay fragment dating back to the 14th century BCE, said to be the oldest written document ever found in Jerusalem.

The tiny fragment is only 2 cm. by 2.8 cm. in surface area and 1 cm. thick and appears to have once been part of a larger tablet. Researchers say the ancient fragment testifies to Jerusalem’s importance as a major city late in the Bronze Age, long before it was conquered by King David.

The minuscule fragment contains Akkadian words written in ancient cuneiform symbols. Researchers say that while the symbols appear to be insignificant, containing simply the words “you,” “you were,” “them,” “to do,” and “later,” the high quality of the writing indicates that it was written by a highly skilled scribe. Such a revelation would mean that the piece was likely written for tablets that were part of a royal household.

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The most ancient piece of writing found in Jerusalem before the Ophel fragment was a tablet unearthed in the Shiloah water in the City of David, dating back to the eighth century BCE – nearly 600 years “younger” than the Ophel find.

Hebrew University Prof. Wayne Horowitz, a scholar of Assyriology, deciphered the script with the assistance of his former graduate student Dr. Takayoshi Oshima. Horowitz said that while the script was too broken to get context out of it, the quality of the writing gave some indication of the creator’s pedigree.

“What we can see is that the piece was written in very good script and the tablet was constructed very well. This indicates that the person responsible for creating the tablet was a first-class scribe.

In those days, you would expect to find a first-class scribe only in a large, important place,” he said.

According to Horowitz, the high quality of the tablet piece indicates that it was most likely part of a message sent from a then-king of Jerusalem to the pharaoh in Egypt.

Horowitz said that the fragment, which is made of Jerusalem clay, indicated that Jerusalem was one of the central cities of the area at the time.

“This shows Jerusalem was not a provincial backwater, [but] one of the main cities of the area,” he said.

Mazar called the fragment “one of the most important finds we’ve ever had” and said she hoped it would lead to further big discoveries.

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(H/T Jim West).


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Judaism; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; catholic; cuneiform; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; hebrew; jerusalem
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I'm not much into all this digging and stuff, but this is fascinating.
1 posted on 07/14/2010 4:55:03 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping!


2 posted on 07/14/2010 4:55:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

What I constantly find facinating is this BCE stuff ... Before The Common Era? What common era??? Just another way to ignore the birth of Jesus ....we’ve got BCE and CE ....


3 posted on 07/14/2010 4:57:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Am Molly Norris")
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To: Salvation
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second post: spelled that fascinating wrong ....

4 posted on 07/14/2010 4:58:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Am Molly Norris")
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To: SkyDancer
What I constantly find facinating is this BCE stuff ... Before The Common Era? What common era??? Just another way to ignore the birth of Jesus ....we’ve got BCE and CE

I was thinking the same thing. No doubt some would like to erase the Lord's name completely from the writings of history. I don't think they will succeed! :)

5 posted on 07/14/2010 5:01:12 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: SkyDancer

I see nothing wrong with using BCE. Jewish people and their history started way before the birth of Christ — AD and BC. They aren’t exactly “ignoring” His birth, it just doesn’t matter enough to use the Western abbreviations.


6 posted on 07/14/2010 5:01:16 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Salvation
Translation:

Hello mudda, hello fodda, here I am at Camp Granada.....

7 posted on 07/14/2010 5:02:39 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: SkyDancer
What I constantly find facinating is this BCE stuff ... Before The Common Era? What common era??? Just another way to ignore the birth of Jesus ....we’ve got BCE and CE ....

If you want it is the Christian Era and Before Christian Era.

You don't seem to understand how blasphemous it is suggest that YHvH did not exist before 3 BCE.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
8 posted on 07/14/2010 5:08:00 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Salvation

It was a post card to Pharaoh informing him of their forwarding address.


9 posted on 07/14/2010 5:09:24 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Sacajaweau
When “you” are hot and tired,
Because “you were” slaving all day,
Ask “them” “to do” you a favor and give you a cold Akkadia beer now rather than “later”.

Akkadia Beer...Because you deserve a good beer!
10 posted on 07/14/2010 5:12:24 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Soothesayer9
I was thinking the same thing. No doubt some would like to erase the Lord's name completely from the writings of history. I don't think they will succeed!

He shall speak words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;
and they shall be given into his hand -- Daniel 7:25 (ESV)

This is conjecture, but I believe the above passage from Daniel that speaks of the AC where I think its possible he will try to do on a global scale what is currently only adopted by historical academics. Think of it, every time someone states the year (at least in the western world), whether that is the intent or not, they are declaring the authority and/or the remembrance of Jesus Christ.
11 posted on 07/14/2010 5:21:07 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: SkyDancer

What is the tab in the cronolgy that divides ‘Before the Common Era’ from the ‘Common Era’? This is silly stuff. Leonard Nemoy keeps doing it on the TV, but it is still the old definition to me. It blows to hell every historical article I read. I feel disgusted and just close up the paper when I read BCE or CE. What is it about these deconstructionalists that they are continually after convention. In my old neighborhood, I was standing talking to a neighbor who remarked about the color several people in the neighborhood had painted their houses. I told him ‘**** most men don’t worry about those things. That’s what’s going on here. ‘AD’ & ‘BC’ have been acceptable for a lot of years. Why are a few mal-contents after them? Anti-something I guess.


12 posted on 07/14/2010 5:22:15 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Soothesayer9
Just another way to ignore the birth of Jesus ....we’ve got BCE and CE...I don't think they will succeed!

Biblical indications that they will succeed, but only briefly, during the short but hellish Tribulation.

13 posted on 07/14/2010 5:25:47 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I think B.C. means “Before Christ,” not before the Creator God.


14 posted on 07/14/2010 5:28:00 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: SkyDancer

I ignore their terminology and Pluto is a planet.

LLS


15 posted on 07/14/2010 5:29:26 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: SkyDancer

BCE... maybe written by a “a scholar of Assyriology”.

While I know that is some one who studies ancient Assyria, my inner 14 year old loves the word “assyriology”.


16 posted on 07/14/2010 5:31:25 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: Salvation
Is this saying,

"The oldest writings ever found were found in Jerusalem recently," or

"The oldest writings ever found in Jerusalem were found recently"?

17 posted on 07/14/2010 5:33:45 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Mikey_1962

I like the “Before The Christian Era” better and CE as Christian Era ... yep, that’ll do it ....


18 posted on 07/14/2010 5:38:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Am Molly Norris")
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To: Salvation

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19 posted on 07/14/2010 6:11:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SkyDancer

The year 1900 marked the end of CE and the beginning of ACE (”After The Christian Era”).


20 posted on 07/14/2010 6:13:11 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: SkyDancer

You’re absolutely right SkyDancer, it’s BC (Before Christ). Another attempt at political correctness-type censorship.


21 posted on 07/14/2010 6:20:41 PM PDT by sayuncledave
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To: Jim 0216

So accordingly the Christian Era is over??? ACE??? Thought it was CE ... the Current Era which is the Christian Era ...


22 posted on 07/14/2010 6:46:57 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Am Molly Norris")
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To: sayuncledave

BCE has been in used for a while in the Jewish community, but it’s the Jehovah Witness’ that started the main trend back in the 60’s...magritte


23 posted on 07/14/2010 6:53:51 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Try ACN.
24 posted on 07/14/2010 7:04:27 PM PDT by cmj328 (Got ruthless?)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Exactly.

I mean, the days of the week are still as they are:

Sunday - Sun’s Day

Monday - Moon’s Day

Tuesday - Tiw’s Day (Norse god of combat)

Wednesday - Woden’s Day (Norse god of souls)

Thursday - Thor’s Day (Norse god of thunder)

Friday - Fríge’s Day (Norse goddess of love)

Saturday - Saturn’s Day (Roman god of harvest)


25 posted on 07/14/2010 7:38:22 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: tang-soo

Agreed, and I’m familiar with that verse, but I have pondered what “change the times” exactly mean. In my youth I always thought it was the seasons. And I’ve never quite understood why the Lord would give that authority to him to begin with, but I guess if youre going to clean house anyway, why not?


26 posted on 07/14/2010 7:57:20 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: SkyDancer

I agree with you on the BCE etc. stuff. Dumb in my estimation.


27 posted on 07/14/2010 8:08:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jim 0216
I think B.C. means “Before Christ,” not before the Creator God.

But AD means In the day of YHvH.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
28 posted on 07/14/2010 8:54:07 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: SkyDancer

make them really mad by referring to BCE as:

before Christian era


29 posted on 07/15/2010 3:16:47 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Right. AD means "the year of our Lord." But it doesn’t necessarily mean that God didn't exist before 3 BCE, just that Christ has revealed God to the whole Gentile world (not just to Israel).
30 posted on 07/15/2010 5:14:47 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: cmj328
The agreed upon protocol in Archeology is: CE & BCE.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

31 posted on 07/15/2010 6:12:33 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Jim 0216
I think B.C. means “Before Christ,” not before the Creator God.

how many gods do you believe in ?

I believe there is only ONE G-d and His NAME is YHvH.

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one!
Peter tells us through the writings of his amanuensis that
Yah'shua repeats it for those who are "grafted in"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered, ... 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
32 posted on 07/15/2010 8:59:31 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
BC/AD marks an event in that changed all time and eternity: God became flesh and dwelt among us as fully God and yet fully human. God is one God but in the three distinct Persons of the Trinity. This is basic New Testament revelation that was hidden in the Old Testament.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1,2,14.

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. I John 1:3.

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. Psalm 110:1

I think you’re Jewish but I also thought you were a believer that embraces the New Testament of the blood of Christ. Was I mistaken?

33 posted on 07/15/2010 5:40:49 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: SkyDancer
I believe the age of the Laodicean Church began around 1900. This is the first and only church age that's marked by Christ being on the OUTSIDE of the church, knocking to anyone who will let Him in. Revelation 3:20.

Facts of the age we're living in bear this out. Much of the "Church" denies Christ and the age as a whole has basically rejected the claims of Christ and the Bible. This is the first and only age to do so since Christ.

This is also the last age before the Day of the Lord, the Tribulation, and the setting up of Christ's rule on earth.

34 posted on 07/15/2010 5:52:37 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216
BC/AD marks an event in that changed all time and eternity: God became flesh and dwelt among us as fully God and yet fully human. God is one God but in the three distinct Persons of the Trinity. This is basic New Testament revelation that was hidden in the Old Testament.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1,2,14.

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. I John 1:3.

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. Psalm 110:1

I think you’re Jewish but I also thought you were a believer that embraces the New Testament of the blood of Christ. Was I mistaken?

BC/AD is a relic of the Pagan Roman "church"

It is blasphemous on it's face as YHvH (Lord) is the creator of the universe
and He was not born in 3 BCE.

YHvH took on a suit of flesh to tabernacle with His people in 3 BCE

NAU John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt(tabernacled) among us,
at His commanded Feast of Tabernacles.

There is only ONE YHvH. Yah'shua is quoted by Peter as captured by Mark his amanuensis

29 Jesus answered, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH

citing

NAU Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one!

BCE/CE is the accepted protocol for dates in Archeology.
It is used to facilitate communication not to echo the Roman "church"

Shabbat Shalom !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
35 posted on 07/17/2010 10:56:13 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Nah, BC and AD are acceptable except to cultural progressives who are anti Christian.

Even Jews accepts the importance of Christ in time and history, they just missed the coming of the Messiah.


36 posted on 07/17/2010 11:08:08 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: rbmillerjr
Nah, BC and AD are acceptable except to cultural progressives who are anti Christian. Even Jews accepts the importance of Christ in time and history, they just missed the coming of the Messiah.

BC/AD has everything to do with the earthly power of the Roman "church"

Shabbat Shalom !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
37 posted on 07/17/2010 11:12:50 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

BC and AD have everything to do with the power of Jesus Christ and his impact on the world. Thus his name is used to divide THE most important Eras in history. “Before Christ” and “In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ”.


38 posted on 07/17/2010 11:25:06 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: rbmillerjr
BC and AD have everything to do with the power of Jesus Christ and his impact on the world. Thus his name is used to divide THE most important Eras in history. “Before Christ” and “In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ”.

If YHvH were in it,
I can assure you that it would not have been 3 BCE.

And it was most assuredly not at christmas.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
39 posted on 07/17/2010 11:29:25 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Uri’el, it seems that you don’t believe in the Trinity: one God in the three persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. To help me understand your point of reference, again I ask, have you received Jesus Christ as you personal Savior and Messiah?


40 posted on 07/17/2010 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Of course God and Jesus Chris are one and the same.


41 posted on 07/17/2010 11:32:25 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Of course God and Jesus Christ are one and the same.


42 posted on 07/17/2010 11:33:38 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: madison10
Swell, then the object should be dated according to the Jewish calendar. Dating something according to the Christian calendar, but being offended by it, is more than a little disingenuous.
43 posted on 07/17/2010 11:40:16 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Jim 0216
Uri’el, it seems that you don’t believe in the Trinity: one God in the three persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. To help me understand your point of reference, again I ask, have you received Jesus Christ as you personal Savior and Messiah?

Yes !

I thank YHvH for becoming my salvation ====> Yah'shua

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
44 posted on 07/17/2010 12:29:55 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Well, I rejoice with you Uri'el.

So it looks like your issue here is with the Trinity (one God, three persons)? If Jesus Christ is your Messiah, then you must believe in at least God the Father and God the Son. I and my Father are one. John 10:30.

45 posted on 07/17/2010 1:36:14 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216
So it looks like your issue here is with the Trinity (one God, three persons)?

I do not presume to tell the creator of the universe if He is one or three.

He has said He is ONE.

I take Him at His WORD.

While I do not condemn the celebration of Christmas,
a clear reading of the Holy Word of G-d would lead to another date.

A date commanded by YHvH with clear Biblical meaning and understanding.

Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.

Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.

This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.

Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)).
Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18

Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.

Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.

John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).

Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.

John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.

The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell

Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.

Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.

After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).

Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.

Biblical Dates for the Birth of Yochanan the Immerser
and for the Conception and Birth of Yeshua HaMashiach

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

46 posted on 07/17/2010 1:59:56 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I do not presume to tell the creator of the universe if He is one or three.

I'm not asking what you're telling God but how you read what He tells you in His Word.

I'll try again...

If you believe that Jesus Christ is your Messiah, then how do you read scripture, including those provided, that speak of the concept of God the Father and God the Son?

I and my Father are one. John 10:30. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. Psalm 110:1.

47 posted on 07/17/2010 6:38:58 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216
Have you ever considered that the terms father and son were metaphorical ?

Or do you create G-d in your own image ?

I do not presume to define G-d in human images.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

48 posted on 07/17/2010 7:29:49 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Uri’el, it appears you’re having trouble with New Testament concepts like “Our Father who is in heaven,” Jesus the Son of God, maybe who the Holy Spirit is, the Trinity and such. That’s OK. It takes time to learn what God wants to teach us in His Word. I would encourage you to focus on reading and learning the New Testament, beginning especially the Gospel of John which unveils who Jesus is and His relationship with His Father.

At the risk of being presumptuous, I would also like to suggest that you try to refrain from harsh condemnation of others who may know less than you or possibly more than you.

Let no man therefore judge you [or others] on meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17.

Being what appears to be a (possibly orthodox?) Jew who has accepted Jesus as Messiah, you may have to unlearn certain traditions of man that are not according to the revelation of Jesus and the New Testament in God’s Word. It may be difficult but will reap you great rewards.

God bless you in your journey with Him.

49 posted on 07/18/2010 4:59:06 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Theology is the Queen of the Sciences—not archaeology—and we must obey her ontology over all others lest we violate the First Commandment.


50 posted on 07/18/2010 6:55:21 PM PDT by cmj328 (Got ruthless?)
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