MORMON CHRISTOLOGY: A CHRIST-TEST FOR CHRISTIAN IDENTITY - OPEN

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[Normandy]

The Church which Christ established.

[T Minus Four]

OK, so how do you know if the baptisms for the dead were being conducted under the authority of the church which Jesus established?

[Normandy]

Well I have no real reason to think that they were not valid, since Paul does not seem to be condemning the practice. Admittedly it is a single mention of baptism for the dead so not too much detail is provided and I haven’t extensively researched the topic. Jeff Lindsay goes into it in quite some depth:

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_BaptDead.shtml#cor

[T Minus Four]

What if it wasn’t being done under the authority of the church Jesus established?

[T Minus Four]

Norm, how would it have been possible for valid baptisms for the dead to be conducted in the time of Jesus? There were no Christian temples. It is absolutely necessary to perform these ordinances in a temple.

I guarantee you the Jewish priests would have never permitted such an event in their temple, not that there would have been any accomodations for such a ceremony . The one and only Jewish Temple had a completely different purpose - it was for the sacrifice of animals.

[T Minus Four]

Well, let me know your thoughts. I’m off to bed - good night.

[Saundra Duffy]

I am beginning to think you need to find some constructive distractions from your anti Mormon obsession.

Your words about me poisoning souls is really quite strange and sad.

The fact that you continue day after day with the same charges and odd ramblings makes me wonder about your Christian walk.

I have found in my life experience that those people who scream and protest the loudest are often insecure in their own foundation.

One time my husband and I were visiting non active members and we happened upon this barbeque group who were drunk and we told them we were members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints looking for so-and-so. This drunk man started cursing at us and he said, “We’re Christians around here - go away, get lost, you Mormons!” Scott and I later laughed about it but when you think about it, it’s really really sad.

Me thinks thou protesteth way too much.

[Saundra Duffy]

“So tell us Resty - are you listening to demons? How would you know if you were? “

I told you about the experience I witnessed in a pentecostal church when people gathered around my deaf friend and screamed and carried on trying to cast out a demon of deafness from her. It was thoroughly disgusting and creepy. She was humiliated, confused and horrified.

Were they “listening to demons”? How would you know if they were?

[restornu]

Saundra in post I was asking the RM for clarification as to what the antis could say imply or call another.

Still those under the influence of snarky spirits come by and ask these inane question this has been going on now for months.

One really has to be carefull not to get on their radar or the snarky spirit could entice the LDS to return in kind.

[Normandy]

“It is absolutely necessary to perform these ordinances in a temple”

Not exactly. When the doctrine of baptism for the dead was first revealed to the Latter-day Saints, there was a period of time when the ordinance was performed in the Mississippi river by Nauvoo, IL. This was before the Nauvoo temple was constructed.

The Lord explained: “A baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—for this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me” Doctrine and Covenants 124: 29-30

[Elsie]

 

So tell us Resty - are you listening to demons? How would you know if you were?

 

Oh!

 

ME ME ME ME!

 

This one's EASY!

 

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 129

 

Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished. HC 5: 267.

1–3, There are both resurrected and spirit bodies in heaven; 4–9, Keys are given whereby messengers from beyond the veil may be identified.

 

  1 There are two kinds of beings in ^aheaven, namely: ^bAngels, who are ^cresurrected personages, having ^dbodies of flesh and bones—

  2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not ^aflesh and bones, as ye see me have.

  3 Secondly: the ^aspirits of ^bjust men made ^cperfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

  4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

  5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

  6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

  7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the ^aorder of heaven for a just man to ^bdeceive; but he will still deliver his message.

  8 If it be the ^adevil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not ^bfeel anything; you may therefore detect him.

  9 These are three grand ^akeys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

 

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The jury will note that Joseph Smith did NOT juse this easy 'test' when the two demons talked to HIM!!

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

Joseph Smith also received revelations about the doctrine.

And where is THIS found in MORMON scripture?

[Elsie]

If the baptism for the dead mentioned by Paul was carried out under authority from the Church then yes, I would say it was certainly valid.

IF???

What does MORMONism teach on this subject?

[Elsie]

Well I have no real reason to think that they were not valid, since Paul does not seem to be condemning the practice.

He was DEFINITELY questioning the 'practice'!

[Elsie]

While souls in the spirit world are being taught the Gospel (read Doctrine and Covenants 138 - it's beautiful!), they are faced with a dilemma: they need baptism to enter into a covenant with Christ and receive a washing away of their sins, etc., but they lack physical bodies in which to be baptized.

(From your link...)

[Elsie]

Your words about me poisoning souls is really quite strange and sad.

Golly!

That's what a person does who follows such a MEAN & NASTY Jesus!

You'll just have to get over it.

[Elsie]

Your words about me poisoning souls is really quite strange and sad.

Golly!

Remember THIS???

AoF #11

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

[Elsie]

This drunk man started cursing at us and he said, “We’re Christians around here - go away, get lost, you Mormons!”

Wow!

He COULD have tossed some BEER on yoju!

That would be MUCH worse than WATER!

[T Minus Four]

Not exactly. When the doctrine of baptism for the dead was first revealed to the Latter-day Saints, there was a period of time when the ordinance was performed in the Mississippi river by Nauvoo, IL. This was before the Nauvoo temple was constructed.

Oh really? So if a temple is not necessary to perform ordinances, what's the point of wasting all that money? It's not a place of worship. They get closed up on Sundays. It seems to me the money could be better spent.

Does it really give God more glory to make many multi-million dollar buildings to perform something that could just as easily be done in a river? It was good enough for Jesus and He is God.

[T Minus Four]

YOur concern for elsie is touching, but really, who’s got more of a problem here.

Elsie got on this thread to post a point of view. You got on this thread to worry about other people’s motives for getting on this thread.

Perhaps you could contribute something to the conversation. I would love to hear your own personal thoughts sometime, rather than Stepford scripts.