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MORMON CHRISTOLOGY: A CHRIST-TEST FOR CHRISTIAN IDENTITY - OPEN
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Posted on 07/15/2010 7:46:51 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: Elsie

Does this prove you have no conscience or you have trouble elelvating your thoughts!


141 posted on 07/17/2010 6:00:50 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Vendome; Blowtorch

I don’t know where you read baptism is a work or rite necessary for salvation but it isn’t or isn’t an absolute, depending on the perspective of the Christian franchise you worship in.

****

Well it was only a few decades ago before that policy was changed there was a lot hoopla over a baby had to be baptized for it the baby died he could not be saved...

my my things have come a along ways in a living breathing docttrine sort of like how some beings are treating our constitution!

In all fairness that was never really a doctrine of the Lord Jesus Christ nor can it be found in the scriptures but neither can the Trinty.

These things just seem to come and go by who ever is leading the council!


142 posted on 07/17/2010 6:14:18 PM PDT by restornu
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; bone52; JDW11235; Normandy; 1010RD; Paragon Defender; Saundra Duffy; ...
Amazing it seems you only want to use the verse that says "After all we can do" and ye cry foul when I point out how myopic you are when I post other verses that clarify

BTW You are taking this out of context AMPU these folks are still under the Law of Moese.

2 Nephi 25 Between 559 and 545 B.C.

20 And now, my brethren, I have spoken plainly that ye cannot err. And as the Lord God liveth that brought Israel up out of the land of Egypt, and gave unto Moses power that he should heal the nations after they had been bitten by the poisonous serpents, if they would cast their eyes unto the serpent which he did raise up before them, and also gave him power that he should smite the rock and the water should come forth; yea, behold I say unto you, that as these things are true, and as the Lord God liveth, there is none other name given under heaven save it be this Jesus Christ, of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved.

21 Wherefore, for this cause hath the Lord God promised unto me that these things which I write shall be kept and preserved, and handed down unto my seed, from generation to generation, that the promise may be fulfilled unto Joseph, that his seed should never perish as long as the earth should stand.

22 Wherefore, these things shall go from generation to generation as long as the earth shall stand; and they shall go according to the will and pleasure of God; and the nations who shall possess them shall be judged of them according to the words which are written.

23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.

24 And, notwithstanding we believe in Christ, we keep the law of Moses, and look forward with steadfastness unto Christ, until the law shall be fulfilled.

25 For, for this end was the law given; wherefore the law hath become dead unto us, and we are made alive in Christ because of our faith; yet we keep the law because of the commandments.

" 26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.

" 27 Wherefore, we speak concerning the law that our children may know the deadness of the law; and they, by knowing the deadness of the law, may look forward unto that life which is in Christ, and know for what end the law was given. And after the law is fulfilled in Christ, that they need not harden their hearts against him when the law ought to be done away.

28 And now behold, my people, ye are a stiffnecked people; wherefore, I have spoken plainly unto you, that ye cannot misunderstand. And the words which I have spoken shall stand as a testimony against you; for they are sufficient to teach any man the right way; for the right way is to believe in Christ and deny him not; for by denying him ye also deny the prophets and the law.

29 And now behold, I say unto you that the right way is to believe in Christ, and deny him not; and Christ is the Holy One of Israel; wherefore ye must bow down before him, and worship him with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul; and if ye do this ye shall in nowise be cast out.

" 30 And, inasmuch as it shall be expedient, ye must keep the performances and ordinances of God until the law shall be fulfilled which was given unto Moses.

143 posted on 07/17/2010 6:51:26 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

“Amazing it seems you only want to use the verse that says “After all we can do” and ye cry foul when I point out how myopic you are when I post other verses that clarify”

..... Ahhh, yes. I see. You are posting more mormonic verses
to “clarify” your earlier posting of mormonic verses. It can
get tiresome, you know, what with all the clarifying and
Bible twisting and the extra-Biblical quotings.

Perhaps, dear Resty, instead of chasing the mormonic verses
down a rabbit hole, you could just come right out and
answer a simple question. This is your moment to demonstrate
the ability to get straight to the point:
.
.
.

===> What must a mormonite do to get into the highest level
of mormon heaven?

===> Anything, or nothing?

[Think carefully, Restornu. Your credibility is on the line,
as there are at least 6 former mormons at the ready who
will step in to correct any misspeaking on your part. They
can freely point out what the mormonic verses teach. They
won’t let you pull a slippery one here.]

So...

Which is it: Must a mormonite do anything to get into
the penthouse of mormonic heaven, or absolutely NOTHING
is required?

Which is it?

best,
ampu


144 posted on 07/17/2010 7:12:25 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; restornu; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Utah Binger; SZonian; Colofornian; ...

Ping to my Cloud of Witnesses - former mormons who have now come to Christ: please watch Restornu’s answer... in the post before this and see if it is answered honestly.

Thank you friends.

blessings,
ampu


145 posted on 07/17/2010 7:18:17 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; bone52; JDW11235; Normandy; 1010RD; Paragon Defender; Saundra Duffy; ...

It is very clear now you do not want discussiion or facts just to spread your anti LDS propaganda!

Antis are not interested in facts they just want to poison the water for every one else...

No one should ever fear the truth nor the Witness by the Power of the Holy Ghost!

The most rewarding day in anyones life when that happens!


146 posted on 07/17/2010 7:25:16 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Utah Binger

Utah Binger you have now come to Christ?

Blessing to you!


147 posted on 07/17/2010 7:27:55 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

“It is very clear now you do not want discussiion
or facts just to spread your anti LDS propaganda!”

Is it easier to read my mind than to just answer?

I may be wrong here, but it appears you do not wish to
answer the question I asked after you protested so
strenuously that mormons didn’t have to do anything
to add to Christ’s work.

“Antis are not interested in facts they just want
to poison the water for every one else...”

The mormon water was poisoned before I was born. Pardon
me while I warn people away from sure eternal death.

“No one should ever fear the truth nor the Witness
by the Power of the Holy Ghost!”

Eh, except that the mormon “holy ghost” is a created
spirit being who doesn’t have a body because he did
something wrong. Really? A god that sins and was naughty?

Yep.

... and we shouldn’t fear his witness?? Even though he
has been bad? You want a naughty/bad spirit showing his
power and testifying to you???

By way of contrast, the Christian God is HOLY. He is
incapable of doing wrong or sin.

.....................

Now, do you want to just be straightforward and tell us
whether a mormon must do anything to get into the highest
level of heaven or must she do nothing?

Which?

best,
ampu


148 posted on 07/17/2010 7:33:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu; aMorePerfectUnion
Between 559 and 545 B.C.
. . . . Jesus Christ. . . . .

Interesting, here the Greek interpolation for Yeshua Hamashiach centuries before its time had come. What a joke.

149 posted on 07/17/2010 7:40:11 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: restornu; aMorePerfectUnion
The most rewarding day in anyones life when that happens!


150 posted on 07/17/2010 7:42:30 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

151


151 posted on 07/17/2010 7:45:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu

In case you missed the question:

.....................

Now, do you want to just be straightforward and tell us
whether a mormon must do anything to get into the highest
level of heaven or must she do nothing?

Which?

....................

best,
ampu


152 posted on 07/17/2010 7:48:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu; Blowtorch

Coming from a Protestant background, you just wouldn’t find baptism as a requirement.

There have been changes in canon for Catholics but there have been “extenuating circumstances” in which your salvation would still be assured, even though you had not been baptized.


153 posted on 07/17/2010 8:03:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; bone52; JDW11235; Normandy; 1010RD; Paragon Defender; Saundra Duffy; ...
BTW I just read the last half post # 148

Hebrew 12

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Will you be in the first or second resurrection?

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New Covenant The trial of our faith precedes salvation—Christ foreordained to be the Redeemer.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

NO MORE "HEY MAN"!

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

The Spirit of God

154 posted on 07/17/2010 8:28:53 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Ah yes... You’ve gone all around and not given a simple answer again.

I will be more than happy to talk about the Bible, but will you answer the question?

Must a Mormon do anything to get into the highest level of heaven, or is there nothing she must do?

Ampu


155 posted on 07/17/2010 8:41:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I know who I am and what is expected of me and it has nothing to do with your STRAWMAN SPIN VERSION!


156 posted on 07/17/2010 8:47:16 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Ah yes... Another common mormonic avoidance technique. I expected as much.

And so I will not comment on the passage you quoted except to note it had nothing to do with what I posted about. I expected as much.

:-)


157 posted on 07/17/2010 8:52:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu

Thank you my darling. I love you.


158 posted on 07/17/2010 9:24:03 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, where Mr. Milquetoast lives with his "Persecution Complex")
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To: Utah Binger

My heart is glad for you I fine your spirit sharing and loving.


159 posted on 07/17/2010 9:34:25 PM PDT by restornu
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Hi Ampu,

If I may make a comment here, I think it is clear that LDS believe that something is required of them to receive the highest reward that God has to offer.

I don’t believe that just believing in Jesus in my mind or confessing with my lips is enough. I have to make a sincere effort to follow Christ.

This takes love, sacrifice, repentance, selflessness, charity, longsuffering etc — the things that Jesus taught and exemplified.

We have to make an effort, and of course we will fall short, but we have to repent of our sins, and keep on trying to overcome.

Now I know that some will say that “you are saying that your works save you” — I don’t believe that. My feeble efforts cannot cleanse me from sin, cannot raise me from the grave. Only Christ can save.

Best regards,

Normandy


160 posted on 07/18/2010 4:19:50 AM PDT by Normandy
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