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To: vladimir998

“Please note that the Vatican does not doubt for a second that the 4 SSPX bishops are in fact bishops.”

Priests cannot make themselves bishops.

“The pope does not need to recognize the bishop of Smolensk for him to be a REAL bishop. He’s Eastern Orthodox, and he’s a real bishop. Period.”

Eastern Orthodoxy is a bit different. They’ve always had bishops and their priests are raised by the patriarch or their archbishops to the bishopric.

If the priest were to consecrate himself bishop, this is invalid. This is also problematic for all the ordinations performed by the bishops who elevated themselves.

Personally, bring them in, but don’t elevate the priests into bishops. Put them under the oversight of someone who has been validly and licitly conferred.


23 posted on 07/18/2010 4:01:57 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: BenKenobi

You wrote:

“Priests cannot make themselves bishops.”

True. These four SSPX men were consecrated by two bishops. It was illicit, but valid.

“Eastern Orthodoxy is a bit different. They’ve always had bishops and their priests are raised by the patriarch or their archbishops to the bishopric.”

Yes, but the SSPX has always had a bishop too. First one, and then two bishops who were both consecrated DECADES before SSPX ever existed. Those two then made the other four bishops. All perfectly valid. All perfectly illicit.

“If the priest were to consecrate himself bishop, this is invalid. This is also problematic for all the ordinations performed by the bishops who elevated themselves.”

Right, but all of the bishops in question were consecrated by other bishops. No one “made himself a bishop” in the SSPX.

“Personally, bring them in, but don’t elevate the priests into bishops. Put them under the oversight of someone who has been validly and licitly conferred.”

I think that would be best. I believe, however, that Pope Benedict will generously allow three of the four bishops to continue on as bishops for the SSPX.


24 posted on 07/18/2010 4:25:45 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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