Or something similar...
Posted on 07/20/2010 5:08:05 PM PDT by delacoert
Oh, is this supposed to be a “I’m rubber, you’re glue...” moment Resty?
What do you call running away from your own rogue thread after being ridiculed for over 700 posts then jumping down the throat of someone who started their own legitimate thread and make completely baseless accusations against them. What do you call that?
I’ll take “Hypocracy” for $1,000 please Alex ???
You are correct! We would also have accepted small, sneaky and/or pathetic.
Facts, facts, nothing but the facts. Strange things, facts. Back in 300 CE it was a well known fact that human beings could not fly from one country to another. It was also a firm fact that there was no self-propelled vehicle in which to ride from place to place. Wonder how airplanes and cars were thought of? I guess some “magical thinking” person was thinking outside the “facts.”
Yippee
I won I won !!!!
Yeah, imagination and innovation are the same as magical thinking. (rolls eyes)
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It’s interesting that the author was a tbm and through his rational thought process determined that the fantastical claims of the BoM were just too much and subsequently has become inactive.
Yet, his “aversion” to “hurting his family” has prevented him from making the break while at the same time expressing concern over what his grandchildren are being taught. I found this to be an interesting dichotomy.
As an ex-mo, I can relate to his conundrum though. I’m going through it right now. While I seek Christian counseling and guidance to help me leave mormonism behind, I’m at the same time, “leaving my family behind” in a way. Until I can begin to show them the truth.
Of course, I’ll have to break through the “magical thinking” that has a hold on them in order to be successful.
Thought provoking article, thanks for posting.
Conventional wisdom is often mistaken for fact, and is also used deliberately to mislead by those who know that the "conventional wisdom" is wrong.
wow. quite the story and sad.
My favorite example is the French savants who refused to believe in meteorites. “There are no stones in the sky. Therefore, stones cannot fall out of the sky.” Superb logic.
Resty; yer #20 disappeared.
If you want ME to reply; you’ll have to FReepmail it to me.
I wish NANA had a heart!
Resty; yer #26 disappeared.
If you want ME to reply; you’ll have to FReepmail it to me.
I hate Chicago Nazis!
Or something similar...
It appears that JOSEPH SMITH was being channeled quite accurately!
Nope; they were derived at by taking the KNOWN facts that had been observed in the world and putting them together to perform a specfic job.
No one waited around for them to evolve on their own.
Oh; you've SHOWN them the TRUTH!
They just may be having a hard time accepting it!
You're in our prayers...
Luke 12:49-53
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
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