Skip to comments.Daily Gems: Chains of bondage will fall [LDS open]
Posted on 07/21/2010 8:57:19 AM PDT by T Minus Four
"Millions of ordinances are performed in the temples each year in behalf of our deceased loved ones. May we continue to be faithful in performing such ordinances for those who are unable to do so for themselves. I love the words of President Joseph F. Smith as he spoke of temple service and of the spirit world beyond mortality. Said he, 'Through our efforts in their behalf their chains of bondage will fall from them, and the darkness surrounding them will clear away, that light may shine upon them and they shall hear in the spirit world of the work that has been done for them by their [people] here, and will rejoice with you in your performance of these duties' (Joseph F. Smith, in Conference Report, Oct. 1916, 6).
"Brothers and sisters, the church continues to grow, as it has since being organized over 179 years ago. It is changing the lives of more and more people every year and is spreading far and wide over the earth as our missionary force seeks out those who are looking for the truths which are found in the gospel of Jesus Christ. We call upon all members of the church to befriend the new converts, to reach out to them, to surround them with love, and to help them feel at home."
Thomas S. Monson, "Welcome to Conference," Ensign, Nov. 2009, 4-6
Thomas S. Monson, current "prophet" and president of the LDS church.
Once someone is deceased, their eternal destiny has been sealed. You can do anything you want on their “behalf”, but it’s just a waste of time designed to make those left behind feel like they have some power they do not.
Question?......Once these departed people are baptized by surrogates are they then on the official membership roles?
Gotta post and run. Back soon.
I still cannot find the reasoning behind baptizing those who have departed to the other side. Anything we might think or want to do on their behalf has zero affect on them. It looks like this reitual is to generate monies and occupy the mebers in yet another distraction and wearing down of their ability to reason for themselves. I say this because anyone who steps into that water for that ritual is conducting something which is not of God...it is a rituall which is done as well in satanic circles so why imitate such a vile thing?
It mocks the very Word of God.
What's the point of His dying for us...if we can just pray dead people into heaven?
It's blasphemy in my opinion.
I wouldn't want to be in the business of mocking God.....
Sorry Tom; but the BIBLE states otherwise:
And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Note what he DIDN'T say: RESTORED!!!
Hear ye! hear ye!
All those having business here will please step forward.
My client claims that her name IS in the Book of Life - there must have been a scribal error for it's being overlooked and she requests the COURT to FORCE the gatekeeper to let her in, as she was a faithful - no - VERY faithful member of GOD's church; the one with His NAME on all their buildings.
Excuse me, Counselor, but our research has alREADY shown that she did NOT do the simple requirements to make it in, but instead relied on a complicated and time consuming method of religious rituals that absoLUTEly no power in them at all.
Your client is to be remanded to the outer darkness area.
Does she have any words for the court?
You are very funny! I was SURE that was MIS-TRANSLATED!
I, and the bible, are in absolute agreement with you.
I'm not sure either, but I'd love to know. I fond my parent on their geneological website. I can only assume they have benn dead-dunked. Funny, they are still very much alive. These life-long Catholics are quite amused at possibley being numbered among the lDS on theri memebrship rolls.
Wait til they find out they're alive and send them a tithing bill.
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us
to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and
preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering
of God waited in the days of Noah ...” (1 Peter 3:18-20)
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged
according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Peter 4:6)
It’s amazing that Jesus preached also to the spirits of the disobedient. Appearantly we can repent
and accept Jesus even after death. All is not lost for those who lived without Jesus in their lives.
But there is a problem; how can they be baptized? For Jesus said that
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
“... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
The solution to this problem is vicarious baptisms, where the living are baptized for the dead.
This was a common practice amoung the early saints. St. Paul tells us about it in the Bible.
“Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are
they then baptized for the dead? (1 Cor. 15:29)
We know this was a common practice because Paul didn’t have to justify it, but rather, he justified
the rising of the dead by the vicarious baptisms. Clearly, St. Paul and the Corinthians considered
the practice of baptisms for the dead to be a normal part of the Gospel, otherwise there would have
been no justification in St. Paul’s argument.
“Thus saith the profit”
"... The term "spirits" is not used in reference to human beings. Humans are never called "spirits" anywhere in the New Testament. The closest reference is Heb 12:23, which makes mention of "spirits of just people made perfect," and in this verse the use of "spirits" is qualifiedthey are spirits of people.
In 1 Pet 3:19, Peter does not qualify the term "spirits." These are not the spirits of dead people, or Old Testament people. They are simply spirits. When this term occurs in the New Testament without qualification, it refers to demonic spirits (Matt 8:16; Luke 10:20).
Other times it is qualified, but still is typically used as a reference for the demonic powers: "unclean spirits" (Matt 10:1; Mark 1:27; 3:11; . In the bible, human beings are not called spirits, even when they are dead and awaiting resurrection. Spirits are something humans have, not something that they are. Thus, 1 Pet 3:18-20 should be understood as describing Jesus proclamation of victory over death to the demonic realm.
First of all, Christians don't establish doctrine on one single mention of something in the bible. You can have an opinion, you can believe it, but it's not good doctrine. For instance, I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture but I won't die on that hill. And I won't reject someone who is a mid- or post tribber.
Secondly, Paul says THEY are baptising for the dead. Not we are . Google for a site that translates the original Greek into English. Fascinating. I wish I knew Greek.
Third, the subject being discussed was the resurrection. Apparently those who were batising for the dead didn't believe in a resurrection. Paul was asking what therefore the point was.