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Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 4 Sins that Cry Out to Heaven
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Posted on 07/23/2010 8:02:29 AM PDT by Salvation

Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With

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The 4 Sins that Cry Out to Heaven

The 4 Sins that Cry Out to Heaven
Willful murder
The sin of Sodom
Oppression of the poor
Defrauding laborers of their wages

Note:
Genesis 4, Genesis 18, Exodus 2, James 5, respectively.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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This is an open thread to discuss The 4 Sins that Cry Out to Heaven.

I had never heard these categorized in quite this same way as well as the Scripture references.

1 posted on 07/23/2010 8:02:34 AM PDT by Salvation
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Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 4 Sins that Cry Out to Heaven

2 posted on 07/23/2010 8:04:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...

Dsicussion ping!


3 posted on 07/23/2010 8:07:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for posting these!!!

Is the Sin of Sodom, HOMOSEXUALITY???


4 posted on 07/23/2010 8:14:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Salvation
Defrauding laborers of their wages

This sin is often overlooked

IMHO, this sin is something that regular Catholics and Bishops are encouraging on a wide scale by supporting illegal immigration.

In my area Mexican laborers are being exploited by landscaping companies, cleaning companies, construction companies, etc. Many of these companies do not pay overtime rates because they can get away with it because they know the illegal is not going to complain to authorities about it.

This is an enormous sin.

5 posted on 07/23/2010 8:14:22 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Ann Archy
Is the Sin of Sodom, HOMOSEXUALITY???

Absolutely.

6 posted on 07/23/2010 8:15:03 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Ann Archy
The Sin of Sodom is indeed homosexual acts, which directly contradict God's plan for Mankind and pervert God's design.

They are, IMHO, blasphemous.

7 posted on 07/23/2010 8:27:07 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

bfl


8 posted on 07/23/2010 8:28:56 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: frogjerk

Very good point ... labourers who are here legally can have recourse to the courts if they are being denied just compensation for their work. Illegals cannot. Our immigration laws need BOTH to be reformed and to be enforced.


9 posted on 07/23/2010 8:30:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Salvation

Oppression of the poor—

1. The situation in Bell, CA, where the city administrator and other officials had their own little fiefdom and made hundreds of thousands per year while the median income in their city is very low.

I should link to the thread that describes the whole scam, but I don’t know how.

2. I used to practice bankruptcy law. It was sad for all concerned in the normal cases, where mistakes were made or disaster occurred and the money was insufficient to pay everyone. But it was far worse when people lost their money due to a scam, because a scam entails such callous contempt or disregard for the humanity of the person being conned. Abuse of power and abuse of trust cuts very deep and ruins lives, breaks hearts and disturbs minds.

BTW, in the cases I saw, the scammer was sometimes the debtor, and sometimes someone who scammed the debtor. Different scenarios would play out.


10 posted on 07/23/2010 8:39:51 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21
I should link to the thread that describes the whole scam, but I don’t know how.

Here's one.

And here's the HTML to do it:

<A href = "http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2557656/posts">Here's one.</A>

11 posted on 07/23/2010 8:52:21 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Salvation
Defrauding laborers of their wages.

I'd say "income tax" falls into that category.

12 posted on 07/23/2010 8:54:19 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: frogjerk

>>Defrauding laborers of their wages<<

How about the opposite end of that scale? Demanding all the perks that Unions get. Demanding that people be paid to sit on their butts in the “job banks”, or doing as little as possible at work, reading FB or FR on the job, personal emails and correspondence? So an employer doesn’t pay “overtime”? Do they pay “time”? People are lucky to have jobs.

Why only from an evil employers point of view?
I’ve worked tons of jobs where my fellow employees commit the sin of sloth constantly.

It’s not all the big evil employers. Sometimes it’s the lazy employees.


13 posted on 07/23/2010 8:56:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Salvation
Defrauding laborers of their wages

Every time a union achieves a wage rate that is higher than what the free market would pay, it results in a tendency for the market to decrease the average amount of wages to those not in the union.

14 posted on 07/23/2010 9:35:42 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: netmilsmom
How about the opposite end of that scale? Demanding all the perks that Unions get. Demanding that people be paid to sit on their butts in the “job banks”, or doing as little as possible at work, reading FB or FR on the job, personal emails and correspondence? So an employer doesn’t pay “overtime”? Do they pay “time”? People are lucky to have jobs.

It’s not all the big evil employers. Sometimes it’s the lazy employees.

I agree totally. A sin against the Fourth Commandment. From a traditional Catholic examination of conscience: http://www.fisheaters.com/penance.html

* Have I been honest in business, including paying my employees a fair wage?
* Do I treat my employees or those I supervise with dignity, respect, and consideration? ~and/or~ Do I give my employer his due and perform my job satisfactorily?

15 posted on 07/23/2010 11:41:48 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: frogjerk

>>From a traditional Catholic examination of conscience<<

Well there’s our problem. I’m sure the people who need that the most would be the least likely to believe anything “traditional”!

Good catch!


16 posted on 07/23/2010 12:09:10 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Salvation

Finally, a list that does not point a guilty finger at me. :)


17 posted on 07/23/2010 6:20:18 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: married21

...a scam entails such callous contempt or disregard for the humanity of the person being conned.

&&&
I have never been able to understand how someone could enjoy spending money that he got by cheating someone else, especially in cases where the victim’s savings are wiped out.


18 posted on 07/23/2010 6:23:07 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Salvation

Placemark.


19 posted on 07/23/2010 7:22:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Ann Archy

And everything it leads to.


20 posted on 07/23/2010 8:07:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DuncanWaring

For a moment there I was mystified as to why your example did link.....then I saw that you left spaces around the =

When posting the link — no spaces there or it won’t link.


21 posted on 07/23/2010 8:11:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

That’s curious ... I put the spaces around the “ = “ to make it easier to read as I’m typing; checking out the “View Source” option shows that the FR editor takes them back out when actually doing the post.


22 posted on 07/24/2010 6:21:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: married21

Very interesting. You’ve shown there are many ways to oppress the poor, and endless depravity in doing so. There also are different types of poverty. Of course we think of the lack of food, shelter or medical care. But there are those who are spiritually and emotionally poor, abused in some way, very lonely and confused in a culture that breeds loneliness and confusion.


23 posted on 07/24/2010 7:21:16 PM PDT by baa39
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To: Ann Archy

JMO But I take the Sin of Sodem as hetro and homo sexual whoring around.

Fornicating is fornicating no matter who is doing it.


24 posted on 07/24/2010 7:51:24 PM PDT by Global2010 (Congradulations to Dware for the FR Mussel Eating Fundraisor.)
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To: Salvation

How do they get this category ? What is their source ???

Scripture notes if you break one commandment you have broken them all...

I have never heard this group category before


25 posted on 07/25/2010 4:46:37 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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To: RnMomof7

In today’s first reading you have the reference of the Lord saying to Abraham, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah cries out to heaven.

Right there in Scripture. They aren’t new. People don’t usually think of categorizing these sins together....that’s all.

Just wages — the parable of the laborers who come in at different times.

I don’t think I need to reference specific scripture about the poor; Jesus always talked about “blessed are the poor.”

And murder is expressed in the parable of the vineyard owner trying to collect his fair share from the tenants — the tenants in greed kill the messengers as well as the son.

Ples there are many stories in the Old Testament about murder. The epitome of murder for me, however, is the story of the Crucifixion of Christ, innocent yet murdered.


26 posted on 07/25/2010 4:56:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

“How do they get this category ? What is their source ???”

The Bible. Each of the Bible verses in the note includes a statement that the cry went up to the Lord.

The 4 Sins that Cry Out to Heaven
Willful murder
The sin of Sodom
Oppression of the poor
Defrauding laborers of their wages

Note:
Genesis 4, Genesis 18, Exodus 2, James 5, respectively.

Genesis 4 - The LORD then said: “What have you done! Listen: your brother’s blood cries out to me from the soil!

Genesis 18 - Then the LORD said: “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great, and their sin so grave,
that I must go down and see whether or not their actions fully correspond to the cry against them that comes to me. I mean to find out.”

Exodus 2 - Still the Israelites groaned and cried out because of their slavery. As their cry for release went up to God, he heard their groaning and was mindful of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

James 5 - Behold, the wages you withheld from the workers who harvested your fields are crying aloud, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts.


27 posted on 07/25/2010 5:36:43 PM PDT by rwa265 (Christ my Cornerstone)
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To: rwa265

Got ya ...interesting to lump them like that ...

All sin is an offense to God... We have to be cautious not to look at ourselves and say “we are not THAT bad”

God said liars will not get into heaven... yea we are all THAT bad :(


28 posted on 07/27/2010 12:07:09 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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To: Salvation

What surprises me; (maybe I’m not thinking this through sufficiently) is that abuse of children isn’t on the list. Jesus seemed particularly concerned with the welfare of children.
Pardon me if this is a dead discussion; just a thought.


29 posted on 07/31/2010 10:18:34 AM PDT by glide625
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To: glide625

Would not that be included in #1 above?


30 posted on 08/04/2010 9:56:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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