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Divorce Rate Comparisons Between Couples Using NFP & Artificial Birth Control
HLI America ^ | 07/19/10

Posted on 07/23/2010 8:23:53 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Divorce Rate Comparisons Between Couples Using Natural Family Planning & Artificial Birth Control

Posted By Megan Morris On July 19, 2010 @ 2:37 pm In News & Commentary | Comments Disabled

July 19, 2010 (momslikeme.com)

Introduction

Everyone would agree that divorce is the greatest tragedy that can befall a family. Wouldn’t it be providential if the practice of natural family planning proves to be the authentic means to a successful marriage? Family of the Americas Foundation has just received the completed data collection of a study correlating marital happiness with the practice of Natural Family Planning (NFP). Since the early seventies, [Family of the Americas Foundation] has been conducting programs for couples that provide knowledge on the fertile and infertile phases of a woman’s cycle…

For years we have witnessed the benefits our programs have provided to families, not only in Christian countries, but also Moslem and even communist nations. Even though numerous scientific evaluations and statistical studies have confirmed its effectiveness, even superior to artificial birth control, we have never been able to validate the incredible benefits to the family that our teachers have been observing for many years.

Last year a scientific survey was conducted under the direction of a reputable independent statistician, Dr. Robert Lerner. He is a Sociologist from the University of Chicago with a degree in Economics. The protocol stipulated that he would not only evaluate the findings, but also compare them to two of the largest U.S. government funded surveys that asked similar questions of the respondents.

Summary Of Findings

The results presented from the three surveys analyzed revealed that compared to other women in general and to Catholic women of similar age, NFP users:

The Natural Family Planning group studied consists of the typical middle class families of the United States of America, primarily Catholic, with small minority of Protestant and Evangelical. From this first study, however, (others need to be conducted to confirm our findings), we can ascertain that Natural Family Planning may become the major vindicator…of respecting the natural laws. It promises to be the best safeguard for the family against divorce. Divorce… fractures the family and creating conflict among its members…the consequences of violating the natural laws through the use of artificial birth control, sterilization and abortion…usually lead to promiscuity, cohabitation and ultimately divorce.

The report confirms the practice of a natural method of conception regulation (Natural Family Planning).

This study presents results from a survey of 505 couples that have been practicing Natural Family Planning, primarily the Ovulation Method, through the teachers of Family of the Americas Foundation. They are based on the first-ever survey of its kind. It examined the types of persons and the impact learning Natural Family Planning has made in their family life, as well as sexual and moral attitudes.

More studies are appearing from around the world regarding the estrogen pollution of waterways from chemical birth control, and its adverse effects, at least on various fish populations.

Most people oppose environmental pollution, but seldom think about the chemical pollution they inflict on their own bodies.

It is well documented that long-term exposure to estrogen may have a carcinogenic effect on the human body. The World Health Organization (WHO) lists most estrogens as carcinogenic substances.

Natural Family Planning (NFP) is an all-natural, body-friendly method of avoiding – or causing – pregnancy through a 98% effective 3-pronged plan of fertility awareness.

For many women, being aware of the power of their fertility is a very “freeing” sensation, as opposed to the “bondage” of chemical birth control methods that suppress normal body functions

Awesome site: http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/193/36/ [1]


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1 posted on 07/23/2010 8:23:54 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Correlation does not equal causation.


2 posted on 07/23/2010 8:30:05 PM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“Family planning” is a catholic thing. I would argue that any couple that goes to church and follows their church’s instructions will divorce less. This study is slanted in favor of catholics.


3 posted on 07/23/2010 8:32:34 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: BlackElk; ELS; PatriotGirl827; IrishCatholic; Judith Anne; mlizzy; JSteff; wagglebee; NYer; ...

Is there a legitimate alternative explanation for low divorce rate among practitioners of NFP?

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4 posted on 07/23/2010 8:36:51 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Excellent! Last time I checked, the data showed around a 4% divorce rate; this is even better. And if these same folks attend daily Mass together, now or when they’re older, participate in Confession and Rosary-recitation frequently, their chances of divorce are almost nil.


5 posted on 07/23/2010 8:37:20 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
correlation does not equal causation.

This is not a scientific study for causation. All this attempts to generate is religious people have a lower divorce rate.

6 posted on 07/23/2010 8:37:31 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mamelukesabre; longtermmemmory; Sloth

See the graphic in post #4. Data is from a non-Catholic source.


7 posted on 07/23/2010 8:38:46 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: longtermmemmory

“All this attempts to generate is religious people have a lower divorce rate.”

It shows that committed couples who communicate well about their intimacy and therefore communicate well about the rest of their lives, experience a lower divorce rate.


8 posted on 07/23/2010 8:41:51 PM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Ok. My last sentence is wrong then. But otherwise i am still correct. All this study really says is that the ones that try the hardest not to get pregnant are the ones most likely to divorce.


9 posted on 07/23/2010 8:42:45 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“You know what you call people who practice Natural Family Planning?”

“What?”

“Parents.”

(My mom, Catholic mother of a half-dozen, to my brother, at his wedding)


10 posted on 07/23/2010 8:45:17 PM PDT by IncPen (How can a man who won't produce his own documentation lecture the rest of us on immigration?)
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To: IncPen
“You know what you call people who practice Natural Family Planning?” “What?” “Parents.”
Maybe they had some whooops moments, because NFP -- when followed correctly! -- is 97-99% effective.
11 posted on 07/23/2010 8:49:30 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I think there is a selectivity issue here. Those who have stable marriage, more religious, and so on, are more likely to choose NFP compared to those who don’t have stable marriage or being more religious. So, it may not mean that if you use artificial birth control, you’d experience divorce, unhappiness, etc. At least, that’s not a conclusion that we can draw from this data.


12 posted on 07/23/2010 8:57:25 PM PDT by paudio (Be a conscious news consumer: Say NO to Journolist propaganda.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Very interesting!


13 posted on 07/23/2010 8:57:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

**have a dramatically low (0.2%) divorce rate;**

This is a huge “WOW!”


14 posted on 07/23/2010 9:00:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mamelukesabre
**I would argue that any couple that goes to church and follows their church’s instructions will divorce less. This study is slanted in favor of catholics.**

Oh, really, perhaps you need to take another look/study at this chart!

15 posted on 07/23/2010 9:02:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

blah blah. quit with the fact nonsense. I’m not here to argue facts.


16 posted on 07/23/2010 9:05:25 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre; longtermmemmory; Sloth; paudio
Some additional information for the uninformed.

Divorce Rate Comparisons Between Couples Using NFP & Artificial Birth Control

'Amazing Grace for Those Who Suffer'
Natural and Unnatural (father of 5 shocks mother of 1)
NFP — It Ain’t Your Momma’s Rhythm
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]
Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Journey to the Truth (Natural Family Planning) [Open]
Enslaving Women One Pill at a Time (Birth Control Pills and Natural Family Planning)
New Study Shows Natural Family Planning Technique More “Effective” Than Contraception
Fargo) Diocese set to require pre-marriage course in natural family planning

Making Babies: A Very Different Look at Natural Family Planning
Clerical Contraception (Important Read! By Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer)
(Fargo) Diocese set to require pre-marriage course in natural family planning
Natural Family Planning Awareness Week, July 25, 2004
IS NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING A 'HERESY'? (Trads, please take note)
Thanks Doc: More (and Younger) Doctors Support Natural Family Planning
Couple say Natural Family Planning strengthens marriage
Reflections: Natural family planning vs sexism
British Medical Journal: Natural Family Planning= Effective Birth Control Supported by Catholic Chrch
Natural Family Planning

17 posted on 07/23/2010 9:09:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Everyone would agree that divorce is the greatest tragedy that can befall a family

No! Divorce is not the greatest tragedy. The death of a child is the greatest tragedy. Divorce can only get second place.

18 posted on 07/23/2010 9:13:45 PM PDT by reg45
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To: mamelukesabre

I wonder if the study factored in the fact that Catholics can also get annulments, which are not the same thing as divorces and would not be counted as such. No other denomination does annulments to my knowledge.


19 posted on 07/23/2010 9:19:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: reg45

I think it depends on your point of view.

I believe from the parents’ point of view I could see them go 50-50 on it. I think for men the breakup of their family may be worse. For the mother I think death of a child would probably be.

I think from an outsider, more societal point of view, the family breakup is worse.


20 posted on 07/23/2010 9:21:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Would it really have needed to? I daresay most Catholics who get annulments do so because they’re already divorced and want to get married again in the Catholic Church.


21 posted on 07/23/2010 9:26:42 PM PDT by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

**I think from an outsider, more societal point of view, the family breakup is worse.**

I tend to agree with you. My mom and my daughters have expienced miscarriages/death of a child. It is heart wrenching to say the least.

But the loss of a family is community/state/nation wrenching — children have no positive model on which to base their parenting skills when a divorce occurs (provided the divorce did not happen because of abuse to the children or spouse.)


22 posted on 07/23/2010 9:32:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Once you have seen the look on the face of a parent at their child’s funeral, you would have to agree with me.


23 posted on 07/23/2010 9:36:41 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

It is only those people who are disinclined to divorce in the first place who love enough to practice NFP.


24 posted on 07/23/2010 9:37:20 PM PDT by amihow
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To: reg45

I’m not doubting what you say, I also know many dads feel like they’ve lost their kids (and in a sense they sure have) via divorce. They aren’t in your house anymore. They aren’t around. It’s very much like they are gone. On top of that their mom hates you and took half or more of your stuff.


25 posted on 07/23/2010 9:48:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

The graph is very interesting, but it doesn’t say anything about the causality between using divorce rates and NFP. As I mentioned in my previous post, those who have stable marriage (i.e., less likely to get divorce) are more likely to use NFP. They are highly correlated, I believe. However, it doesn’t translate to ‘use NFP and you’ll be more likely to have stable marriage, etc.’


26 posted on 07/23/2010 10:10:25 PM PDT by paudio (Be a conscious news consumer: Say NO to Journolist propaganda.)
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To: Huntress

nice try


27 posted on 07/24/2010 12:46:21 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Salvation

Yes, I would agree that sometimes divorce does cause a portion of the child to die sometimes. And then they never recover the part that was lost.


28 posted on 07/24/2010 2:39:54 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: mamelukesabre; Dr. Brian Kopp

I would say that those who want to just pop a pill to solve any problem, instead of adjusting their lifestyles are the issue. Which, IMHO, is a shallow way of solving any problem. Which is probably why those who lives are based on faith in God and have examined themselves and truly discovered the true reason they take pills(for any reason) are therefore more content in their marriages. Reasons for taking pills: convenience, promiscuity, availability, culture, resistance to change lifestyle, easy answer, peer pressure, time pressures.... Many of our current health issues are ‘solved’ by popping pills instead of changing behaviors.


29 posted on 07/24/2010 2:47:42 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Those are two separate things, Secret Agent Man. Annulments, actually Certificates of Nullity, refer to the Catholic marriage, which is one of the seven Sacraments. A Certificate of Nullity is given when a diocesan Tribunal determines, for various reasons, that the conditions for the marriage being sacramental did not occur. This applies in the Church, does not change legal status outside the Church. Divorce/dissolution are changes in legal status, but not recognized as such within the Church without a judgement of the type I described above. And, not trying to be too picky, strictly speaking, the Catholic Church isn’t a denomination(”of the name”). You are correct that none of the denominations (i.e. protestants, et al) have marriage as a sacrament in the same way, as far as I humbly know.


30 posted on 07/24/2010 4:16:00 AM PDT by sayuncledave
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To: IncPen
British Medical Journal   1993;307:723-726 (18 September), doi:10.1136/bmj.307.6906.723

"Natural family planning": effective birth control supported by the Catholic Church.

R E Ryder

Department of Endocrinology, Dudley Road Hospital, Birmingham. During 20-22 September Manchester is to host the 1993 follow up to last year's "earth summit" in Rio de Janeiro. At that summit the threat posed by world overpopulation received considerable attention. Catholicism was perceived as opposed to birth control and therefore as a particular threat. This was based on the notion that the only method of birth control approved by the church--natural family planning--is unreliable, unacceptable, and ineffective. In the 20 years since E L Billings and colleagues first described the cervical mucus symptoms associated with ovulation natural family planning has incorporated these symptoms and advanced considerably. Ultrasonography shows that the symptoms identify ovulation precisely. According to the World Health Organisation, 93% of women everywhere can identify the symptoms, which distinguish adequately between the fertile and infertile phases of the menstrual cycle. Most pregnancies during trials of natural family planning occur after intercourse at times recognised by couples as fertile. Thus pregnancy rates have depended on the motivation of couples. Increasingly studies show that rates equivalent to those with other contraceptive methods are readily achieved in the developed and developing worlds. Indeed, a study of 19,843 poor women in India had a pregnancy rate approaching zero. Natural family planning is cheap, effective, without side effects, and may be particularly acceptable to the efficacious among people in areas of poverty.

31 posted on 07/24/2010 6:57:43 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: amihow
We taught NFP for ten years. We saw it improve marriages among couples that previously contracepted in ways that would indeed prevent divorce.

Its a chicken-and-egg argument. In some cases, couples practice NFP because of a deep preexisting commitment to Christian principles.

In some cases, couples practice NFP because of baser motives (couples where the wife almost died from blood clots from the Pill, for instance.)

The deeply committed couples are drawn to NFP, but NFP itself does indeed build relationships and helps them grow deeper.

And last but not least, it is a sacrifice to practice NFP, and God provides Grace to those couples willing to make that sacrifice out of love for Him and His Natural Law.

That Grace builds and saves marriages.

32 posted on 07/24/2010 7:06:27 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: paudio
‘use NFP and you’ll be more likely to have stable marriage, etc.’

We taught NFP for ten years, and used it briefly when we had grave reason for recourse to it (the only circumstances where NFP is morally licit, as the Church teaches.)

I can state unequivocally that the communication required to successfully practice NFP builds stronger marriages. I saw it in our own marriage, and witnessed it in the dozens of couples we taught over the years.

That will naturally help prevent divorce.

33 posted on 07/24/2010 7:11:11 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I posted my mom’s humorous observation as an anecdotal ‘first person’ response to NFP. Granted her experience was 50 years ago.

But even in your reply, the quoted piece says, ‘ 93% of women everywhere can identify the symptoms’, the implication is that 7% cannot identify symptoms. Allowing for errors (if we generously say 3%), that means a one-in-ten failure rate. Given the stakes (a human life) I think that that’s a risky game to be playing.


34 posted on 07/24/2010 7:15:33 AM PDT by IncPen (How can a man who won't produce his own documentation lecture the rest of us on immigration?)
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To: IncPen
Actually, that's not a proper conclusion; every scientifically valid study has found NFP to be 95 to 99% effective when used according to the guidelines.

But the bottom line is that it is open to Life, and therefore far more open to God's Will. Especially when compared to barrier and hormonal contraceptives!

In comparison, all barrier methods have a 5 to 15% failure rate and even the Pill is no better than NFP. The Pill and all other hormonal contraceptives are abortifacient, and therefore verboten to any committed Christian, and barrier methods are much less effective than NFP.

So where's the debate for a committed Christian?

35 posted on 07/24/2010 7:30:22 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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36 posted on 07/24/2010 7:31:40 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: IncPen
Granted her experience was 50 years ago.

Oh, I missed that. "Her experience" likely refers to the rhythm method then, not NFP. No comparison.

37 posted on 07/24/2010 7:31:39 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: IncPen
From the quoted piece:

Most pregnancies during trials of natural family planning occur after intercourse at times recognised by couples as fertile...Indeed, a study of 19,843 poor women in India had a pregnancy rate approaching zero.

If poor illiterate women in India can achieve a failure rate approaching zero, think what educated motivated Americans could do.

By the way, I don't like referring to pregnancy while using NFP as a "failure." I see it as God's Will for that couple at that time in their life.

38 posted on 07/24/2010 7:35:23 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Secret Agent Man

I may be wrong but I believe in order to petition for an annulment in the Catholic Church one must already be civilly divorced.


39 posted on 07/24/2010 8:47:38 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

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40 posted on 07/24/2010 8:48:38 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: reg45
I often think about what the loss of a child would do to a family unit as a whole.

I have 3 children, and cringe at the thought of losing any of them, naturally. I would think that it would definitely leave a deep wound and that a scar would remain on the family even after the wound healed. The loss of that child would always be felt, even if the pain is in the background.

However, divorce is the family killer! I have seen that within my own family. The repercussions are endless to all family members, including the extended family. It's worse than a rock being thrown in a pound that causes a ripple effect. I equate it to a fault line under the water that moves constantly causing tsunamis. Some of the tsunamis aren't major, but there is always a huge tsunami threatening on the horizon. The pain just does not end.

41 posted on 07/24/2010 10:36:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk
Yes, death is "natural," even the death of a child. It is within the natural order of fallen nature, but it is not intrinsically a violation of Natural Law.

But divorce is itself a grave violation of Natural Law. The temporal consequences of gravely violating Natural Law will always be more damaging to the family unit.

42 posted on 07/24/2010 11:05:20 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
You are absolutely correct! Divorce is always ugly. Unfortunately, I get to see the awful harvest that is grown from it on a regular basis.

I do wish that people would take the Sacrament of Marriage more seriously. Failure is not an option. It is a “permanent” commitment. It is just not looked at that way. That is the root of the problem!

43 posted on 07/24/2010 1:02:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
By the way, I don't like referring to pregnancy while using NFP as a "failure." I see it as God's Will for that couple at that time in their life.

Agreed.

44 posted on 07/24/2010 3:06:39 PM PDT by IncPen (How can a man who won't produce his own documentation lecture the rest of us on immigration?)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I am glad to here about the “positive” results of NFP, but I do not think that I understand the concept. Is the goal to not have a child? I have read through some of the posts in this thread and it appears that a child is equated to a failure, this does not appear to line up with “children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward”. Why work against God’s reward?

Like I said, I may not understand the concept...My wife and I were told we would not have children by three different doctors and after leaving it in God’s hands we now have seven, and will accept more if it is God’s will.


45 posted on 07/24/2010 8:09:06 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: WorldviewDad
If my children would literally starve if my wife were to get pregnant, it is morally licit to space children until I could afford to feed them.

NFP would be a morally licit way to achieve this necessity.

But artificial birth control is intrinsically evil. It can never be morally licit to have recourse to artificial contraception.

So to answer your question, the INTENTION in having recourse to EITHER artificial family planning OR "natural" family planning could be illicit or licit. One may be sinful, one may not.

However, the method itself, in the case of artificial birth control, is intrinsically illicit, i.e. regardless of intent is it gravely sinful.

However, NFP itself is morally neutral. It becomes morally illicit when the intention itself is illicit.

4 main reasons for having recourse to NFP.

1--Physical/ mental health---a pregnancy could kill you or so physically impair you as to prevent your fulfillment of your duties in your state in life---NOT because of a widening waste-line or drooping skin! Or psychological health, i.e., mom would literally have a nervous breakdown if she became pregnant---not because she "just couldn't stand being home with the little kids all day without the personal fulfillment of her professional job..."

2--Financial constraints---your child will starve if you have another. Wanting a bigger house or designer SUV just does not cut it!

3--work on the mission fields by one or both spouses that would preclude having children temporarily

4--active persecution or war---i.e., you or your child likely to die by coercive abortion, in concentration camp, in acts of war, etc.

Clearly we say these reasons must be SERIOUS, not trivial. Only the couple and their confessor can truly decide what truly constitutes grave reason.

We've had couples sit through my talk on this subject and literally say, "Gee, we thought we were being good Catholics just for deciding to use NFP. Now we realize we don't even have grounds for recourse to NFP," then tell us a month or two later they're pregnant.

NFP vs Contraception

Spacing children may be a desirable goal that does not violate God's laws in certain serious situations such as those outlined above. But the means of achieving the goal differ.

One is intrinsically evil (abortion, abortifacient contraception, barrier methods, sterilization) while one is morally neutral (Natural Family Planning.

In one, an act is performed (sex) but its natural outcome is artificially foiled.

In the other, no act is performed (simple abstinence during fertile times) so there IS no act, therefore the practice is morally neutral.

It is then the intention of using NFP that constitutes its relative moral licitness or illicitness.

If NFP is used in a selfish manner, it too can be sinful.

If it is used only in grave circumstances, it is not sinful.

The difference is real.

Dieting (decreasing caloric intake, the "act" of NOT eating) is a moral and responsible means of losing weight to maintain the body's health.

Bulimia (the ACT of eating, them vomiting) is rightly called an eating DISORDER.

An ACT is performed (eating in this case) and its natural outcome (nutrition) is foiled by expelling the food from the body.

Likewise contraception is a disorder. An ACT is performed (sex) and its natural outcome (procreation) is foiled by expelling the sperm or egg or both (abortifacient contraceptives) from the body.

Contraception is to NFP what Bulimia is to dieting.

But just as dieting can be misused (anorexia) so too can NFP be misused in a sinful manner
46 posted on 07/24/2010 9:29:05 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: WorldviewDad
I have read through some of the posts in this thread and it appears that a child is equated to a failure, this does not appear to line up with “children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward”. Why work against God’s reward?

I agree, see my post # 38. I stated,

By the way, I don't like referring to pregnancy while using NFP as a "failure." I see it as God's Will for that couple at that time in their life.

47 posted on 07/24/2010 9:32:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thank you for your reply. I think I have a better understanding of NFP now and would agree with what you have described. I myself have never even considered “timing” things to even know when my wife would be fertile...but then again the doctors tell me she is not fertile...except for the seven children...

God bless


48 posted on 07/24/2010 9:48:43 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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