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[PRAYER] Discernment of Harry Potter and Twilight for the sake of our children
LifeSiteNews, HLI, StudiObrien ^ | 7-28-10 | mlizzy

Posted on 07/28/2010 8:16:58 AM PDT by mlizzy

Many Christians believe the Harry Potter and/or Twilight series are safe for their children to read and view as movies; I ask you to join me in prayer for discernment by parents, pastors, teachers, etc. in this regard.

Note the words of Cardinal Ratzinger in a letter to Gabriele Kuby (a German critic of the Harry Potter novels), where he writes:

"It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly."
Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer, president of the pro-life organization Human Life International (HLI), and an official Church exorcist, states in his article, "Vampire Logic":
"With the issuing of the third movie in the Twilight series I have to speak out about our culture's twisted fascination with vampires. I don't hesitate to tell people that I am totally disgusted with the new fad sweeping over our youth culture these days. It is not just kids that are taken up with the wiles of the dark world either: many moms of teens are swooning for them too. I think that these seductive creatures are simply the spawn of the Harry Potter culture that has for over a decade now been indoctrinating kids to think that the occult world is normal and that all this evil messaging is harmless when dressed up as entertainment. That's vampire logic - and just what the devil wants us to think."
Michael D. O'Brien, Roman Catholic author, artist, and frequent essayist and lecturer on faith and culture, has written a book for discernment titled Harry Potter and the Paganization of Culture. O'Brien states in the Preface:
"I heard so much about the Harry Potter books, and very good people told me they're great. So we bought one [or were given one] and I started to read it. At first I had no problems with it. Then something strange happened. In the middle of a chapter I was suddenly overwhelmed by nausea ... a kind of spiritual nausea. I didn't see it coming because I wanted to like these books. The whole world's in love with them, even a lot of good Christians, so I felt they were probably healthy enough to give to our kids. I just wanted to check it out first. I'm glad I did."


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1 posted on 07/28/2010 8:17:03 AM PDT by mlizzy
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To: mlizzy

Lord, we ask that you be a guide for the mind and ethics of the adults who read this to children.

I nearly exploded one day and had to leave a public school classroom when H. Pot. was being read to children — mentally diabled children at that!

Lord have mercy!


2 posted on 07/28/2010 8:20:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Judith Anne; Northern Yankee; Emmett McCarthy; Irisshlass; Dr. Brian Kopp; johngrace

Potter/Twilight discernment prayer ping ...


3 posted on 07/28/2010 8:22:13 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy; sneakers; Colleen Hammond; annalex; dsc; mockingbyrd; BlackElk; ELS; PatriotGirl827; ...

CATHOLIC CAUCUS Ping List ping.

(Please send me a PM if you would like to be added to or removed from this new CATHOLIC CAUCUS Ping List. This list will be used primarily for pings to CATHOLIC CAUCUS Religion Forum threads, but also on occasion for other threads of interest for orthodox Catholics.)


4 posted on 07/28/2010 8:22:52 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: mlizzy

If you are going to make a prayer thread, make one, but don’t try to turn a religious argument into a prayer thread.


5 posted on 07/28/2010 8:23:08 AM PDT by CodeToad ("Idiocracy" is not just a movie.)
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To: Salvation
Having a pastor espouse the benefits of Potter from the lectern at the onset of this series (and never veering from his stance as the years ticked by and the series grew in number), I've been praying ever since ...

We pray to the Lord ...
6 posted on 07/28/2010 8:26:41 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: CodeToad; mlizzy

I think prayer is needed.


7 posted on 07/28/2010 8:27:26 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CodeToad

+1


8 posted on 07/28/2010 8:31:35 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: Salvation

Thank you, Salvation. I agree! Prayer is needed in this regard. We all grow as Christians (and obtain knowledge from Christ) through prayer.


9 posted on 07/28/2010 8:34:47 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy; Salvation
Review: A Landscape With Dragons By Michael D. O'Brien

...O'Brien, a devout Catholic author and professional artist, begins by reminding us of the importance of symbolism in both the Bible and literature. It was once the case that western culture was based on a Christian world-view which understood the proper use of symbols. Now, however, there has been a culture shift toward paganism, and symbols in children's literature have been perverted to reflect this shift.

Dragons are one of the symbols which is now being used in an inappropriate way (thus, the title of the book). In the Bible and in traditional literature, dragons represent evil, reminding us of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Slaying a dragon in a story was a victorious triumph over sin. O'Brien says, "In literature of the West dragons have been regarded as powerful agents of evil, guardians of stolen treasure hoards, destroyers of the good and the weak (children, maidens, small idyllic kingdoms), and on the spiritual level, a personification of Satan prowling through the world seeking the ruin of souls."

In modern society, however, dragons are no longer portrayed this way. From "Puff the Magic Dragon" to Disney's Pete's Dragon (he discusses Disney's worldview in the book), dragons are cuddly, helpful, magical and possibly misunderstood creatures. The long-standing symbolism of dragons personifying evil has been turned upside-down, confusing the imaginations of young children in the process.

This is just one example given by O'Brien to explain the trend toward paganism today. Does he suggest that we should therefore avoid all fantasy stories? Not at all. Rather, he gives parents tools to evaluate what is appropriate and why as well as what to avoid. He even names some names although this book was written before the Harry Potter phenomenon (here is an article he later wrote about the Harry Potter stories.) There are also no sacred cows for O'Brien as he points out some ideological inconsistencies in the stories of Lewis, Tolkien and Macdonald while holding them up as generally good examples of the proper use of fantasy literature. He also has a well-reasoned defense of traditional fairy tales.


10 posted on 07/28/2010 8:42:52 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Salvation

“I think prayer is needed.”

Harry Potter is a story of good versus evil, like many other kid’s stories. It teaches about moral values and doing what is right. Too many people think it is about witchcraft and therefore a bad story. Well, most children’s stories are not about the Jesus and also preach about good versus evil. Even Star Wars, a movie, is about good versus evil. Westerns are the same, and so are Saturday morning cartoons.

Anyone that thinks any and all children’s stories must include Jesus as the character or else the story should be banned is a raving lunatic.


11 posted on 07/28/2010 8:50:53 AM PDT by CodeToad ("Idiocracy" is not just a movie.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Thanks, Dr. Kopp! Further proof we need prayers for discernment in this area are evident through the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity.
12 posted on 07/28/2010 8:56:58 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: CodeToad; Religion Moderator; Salvation
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13 posted on 07/28/2010 9:00:20 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; ...

Ping!


15 posted on 07/28/2010 9:33:23 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: mlizzy
What I feel about the series is not of any importance, nor should it be discussed

Then maybe you should pull the main body of the article, because it is full of opinions on the "Harry Potter" series. Using logic, this would seem to imply that the thread would include comments about the series.

18 posted on 07/28/2010 9:51:39 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: CodeToad; Salvation
Harry Potter is a story of good versus evil, like many other kid’s stories. It teaches about moral values and doing what is right.

Quality 'fantasy' literature for children, abounds. The Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis immediately comes to mind. It too is filled with great adventure. C.S. Lewis was a Christian and the similarities between Narnia and items in the Bible was intentional. You claim that Harry Potter teaches values. Harry consistently lies - to his teachers, to his friends, to Dumbledore, the headmaster. He and his friends steal potions ingredients from Professor Snape (But who cares? We don't like Snape, so it's ok, right?). In fact, he's rewarded for the first rule he breaks. Then there is Professor Lupin, who neglects to mention to the headmaster that a convicted murderer is quite possibly sneaking into the school disguised as a dog? Why doesn't Lupin say anything? Because it would be EMBARRASSING to him, and lose him some of the headmaster's trust (which he doesn't actually deserve because he's been lying to the man for years anyway). But hey, it's only Harry's life and the lives of other students that's at stake, and the convict has only gotten into the school twice already...so no big deal.

The children in the Narnia books also get into mischief but there are consequences for their actions and for which they are held accountable to Aslan (the figure who represents God). The same is not true in the HP series.

Why defend the defenseless? What is to be gained by that.

19 posted on 07/28/2010 9:53:52 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: buccaneer81

They are not my opinions. They were placed in the body of the thread for discernment. This is a prayer thread for discernment on the HP-Twilight series. If you’d like to pray, please join us!


20 posted on 07/28/2010 9:55:27 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: CodeToad
You simply want to state your opinion about Harry Potter without dissent.
The opinions on the body of this post are not mine. I'm praying for discernment in regard to the HP-Twilight series.
23 posted on 07/28/2010 10:03:23 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: CodeToad
The rest of FR does not agree with your assertion that Harry Potter is about witchcraft and therefore anti-Christian.
The rest of FR does not agree with me? There's probably a few that would like to further discern the series/books on their own. This is a prayer thread in that regard.
24 posted on 07/28/2010 10:23:00 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: CodeToad
This Religion Forum thread is labeled "prayer" which means NO DEBATE of any kind is allowed on this thread.

You are welcome to start a new "open" RF thread to debate the issues that interest you.

25 posted on 07/28/2010 10:29:50 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you!


26 posted on 07/28/2010 10:38:21 AM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy
Please pray that this book will help families to become more aware of the challenges involved in children’s and young adult’s cultural material, and will help them in their discernment. --Michael O’Brien

27 posted on 07/30/2010 6:16:09 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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