Posted on 07/28/2010 10:17:16 AM PDT by 0beron
Editor: So far, there hasn't been a lot of coverage of this event in the USA and little mention was made of the explicit and decadent nature of the event, except on some conservative German Catholic news blogs, but there are others who see it correctly, as Kathnet reports:
[Kath.net] "Welcome to the sexiest party in the world!" wrote "Bild" still on 23 July, the day before the Love-Parade in Duisburg. Instead of sexiness, journalists are coming to describe it in terms of biblical decine after the mass panic with 19 dead and hundreds of injured. "Hell at the Love-Parade", wrote the Wochenzeitung Die Zeit.
And Evan Herman, christian publicist and television moderator, felt herself reminded of "Sodom and Gomorrha." The Old Testament history (Genisis 19:28) went that God destroyed both cities because of the sinful deeds of their inhabitants; only Lot and his daughter were saved in the minute.
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God will not be mocked.
Europen coverage plenty.
Irish Times, for example:
Chancellor Angela Merkel expects a “scrupulously thorough” investigation into the tragedy, her spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm said in Berlin. Authorities earlier raised the number of injured to 511, including 43 seriously hurt, one in critical condition.
“I warned them a year ago that Duisburg is not a suitable location for the Love Parade. It’s too small and too cramped,” said Rainer Wendt, a senior police officer and head of the national police union”
Death toll now 20 - worst rock concert ever.....
I dunno, Great White still holds the record.
Well, it’s definitely the worst tragedy in the history of electronic music.
I thought that was Kraftwerk. ;)
Other than doing a Google search on each one of these “styles”, i.e., “Ibiza trance, classic Detroit techno, classic Chicago house, Cologne minimal house and Berlin dub techno, Rotterdam gabber hardcore, Madrid industrial and Frankfurt noisecore”, is there a single source that might explain them. I don’t live or move in those circles and haven’t a clue as to what they are or mean. I did see a German video showing aerial shots of the Duisberg debacle and it looked decidedly decadent.
Interestingly, I would say that there isn't a good online site because (1) the scene is so "in the know" that there is no real site for beginners that's reliable and (2) even Wikipedia is not overly helpful because there are so many wars in the editing over what belongs where.
The Rough Guide series had a good book about it, but it's out of print and out of date.
Suffice it to say that electronic music is very dependent on dance clubs and the DJs that perform sets in those clubs. Scenes coalesce around specific clubs in specific cities where certain varieties of the music become very popular.
The main centers of electronic music today are NYC, London, Berlin, Cologne, Rotterdam, Frankfurt and Barcelona.
But plenty of cities used to have very vibrant scenes: Chicago, Detroit, Bristol, Madrid, Paris, Ibiza (a Spanish resort area) and others have smaller scenes.
One major variety is trance - dreamy, blissed out and undulating (particulary popular in Spain, France and Italy - also know as chillout or lounge techno).
Then there are the various varieties that end in "core" that are characterized by fast, pounding 4 on the floor beats, up to 220 beats per minute (very popular in Holland and parts of Germany and parts of the UK).
Then there are the reggae/dancehall influenced genres that are characterized by "broken" non 4/4 rhythms like trip hop, drum'n'bass, jungle, garage, 2-step, grime, UK funky and dubstep (all very popular in the UK).
Also there are the minimal styles like minimal house, ambient, glitch, "clicks and cuts" and dub techno that are generally mid-range 4/4 characterized by clean production and precise and spacious sounds (very popular in Germany).
There are a hundred other styles, some of which are defunct but considered classic, and others which branch out into more organic, non-electronic styles like acid jazz, neofunk, afrobeat revival, etc.
I did see a German video showing aerial shots of the Duisberg debacle and it looked decidedly decadent.
The bulk of the parade is essentially a decadent gathering in the sense of an American spring break - a lot of drunk young women in bikinis.
The counterparade is decadent in the sense of a Gay Pride Parade afterparty in San Francisco and we'll leave it at that.
I blocked out the profanity - which was the name given to the actual event by its organizers.
That post contained information that was germane to the thread - could it be restored in an edited version?
And yes, go ahead and repost without the reference. If you need to see it, let me know and I'll Freepmail it to you.
I see. That makes more sense.
I'll repost.
The history of the Love Parade is complicated: it has been banned under the auspices of the Green Party in the past and it is counterprotested by a movement called the [expletive deleted].
The organizers of the [expletive deleted] are angry because the Love Parade organizers promote their favored varieties of electronic music (Ibiza trance, classic Detroit techno, classic Chicago house, Cologne minimal techno) and exclude the counterprotestors' favorite styles (Rotterdam gabber, Madrid industrial, Frankfurt noisecore).
On, and 0beron, regarding your Weimar statement - some of this music is designed solely for use in debauchery, but a lot of it is art music.
There is as much variety in electronic music as there is in rock.
God will not be mocked.
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People have died en masse in churches too, in earthquakes, tornadoes, fires, bombings, massacres...
God will not be mocked.
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People have died en masse in churches too, in earthquakes, tornadoes, fires, bombings, massacres...
Yep, God works in many ways.
Good point - so now the US is #1?
LOL
It was gone long before this....
Actually, rock music ceased to be ‘cool’ 9 Aug, 1995.
Thank you for your thorough answer. I appreciate it. It surely is an alien world for me.
God is mocked all the time. Sometimes the consequences come immediately but much more often the consequences will be faced mainly in the hereafter. This seems to be a case of people hyped up emotionally and animalistically being funneled into a narrow area and having the exit to that narrow area closed before the entrance at the other end. In other words, poor planning and stupid people who had only one thing on their minds.
Yes, God does send messages to us to change or repent through bad things.
Poor planning and stupid people are one of God's favorite tools to carry out his will. We saw this clearly with Joseph's brothers. What they intended for evil, God used for good.
Yes, God’s plans cannot be thwarted by man and He often turns bad to good but I disagree with the implication that the disaster was an “Act of God” as the term goes. I don’t believe God caused that disaster anymore than I believe the Westboro Church nuts that God explodes IEDs under our soldiers due to the U.S. homosexual tolerance. I do believe the disaster can turn into something good if it causes people to think twice about their priorities and values.
We could argue about that for a while, but the main event looks pretty bad from the pictures over at kreuz.net.
Incidentally, the death toll is now 21. RIP.
I'm not sure why we would: there is plenty of minimal techno music that - apart from a muted 4/4 beat - sounds like Bach or Haydn for the 21st century.
but the main event looks pretty bad from the pictures over at kreuz.net.
Again, it's not qualitatively different than something you would see at a typical American spring break getaway - characterizing it as more decadent that US college students partying at a Tijuana club would be silly.
Neither are acceptable behavior - and it would be ridiculous to suggest that electronic music is what makes it that way.
You’re not winning me over. Neither myself nor any of my Catholic friends would attend or allow their children to attend Spring Break in the USA.
My children will never be allowed anywhere near a spring break gathering either.
My point is that if we are going to characterize the Duisburg stampede as a direct act of the Almighty against a decadent gathering, then there is no reason why every spring break gathering in the US or "pride parade" in the world should not be accompanied by similar mass deaths.
The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.
And my other point is that the behavior of these paradegoers is not necessarily a function of the music the parade organizers favor.
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