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A Deeper Look at the Many Evangelicals Turning Catholic
NC Register ^ | August 5, 2010 | MATTHEW WARNER

Posted on 08/05/2010 12:36:10 PM PDT by NYer

Is there a growing trend of Evangelicals converting to Catholicism?  Many think so, including this recent article:

[There is a large] community of young believers whose frustration with the lack of authority, structure, and intellectualism in many evangelical churches is leading them in great numbers to the Roman Catholic Church. This trend of “Crossing the Tiber” (a phrase that also served as the title of Stephen K. Ray’s 1997 book on the phenomenon), has been growing steadily for decades, but with the help of a solid foundation of literature, exemplar converts from previous generations, burgeoning traditional and new media outlets, and the coming of age of Millennial evangelicals, it is seeing its pace quicken dramatically. [source]

The article gives the example of many such notable Evangelical converts from our generation, such as Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, Thomas Howard, Francis Beckwith and others. (It also mentions Patrick Madrid, but he is actually not a convert, from what I understand.)

The common threads that seem to be drawing many of these Evangelicals into the Catholic Church are its history, the Liturgy and its tradition of intellectualism.

So is this trend significant?  Or is it dwarfed by what seems to be many more Catholics who seem to lose their faith or become complacent with it?

According to a 2009 Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, four people leave the Catholic Church for every one person that joins it. Keep in mind that this stat doesn’t count those born into Catholicism as “joining” it. However, it’s still a sad statistic. But we shouldn’t be misled by it.

There are also studies that show Catholicism has a higher rate of retention than all other religious groups. In other words, when people convert to Catholicism, they don’t do so because they didn’t like where they were and just wanted to try something new. Their conversion is deliberate and intentional and they generally stick with it. On the other hand, when people leave the Church, they generally drift around a bit from one denomination to another.  This says a lot. The Catholic convert is actually experiencing real, lasting conversion. Those leaving the Church seem to be lost and searching souls that most likely had no idea what they were leaving in the first place.

I’ve long noticed, as have many others, a kind of trend as well. It’s not so much from “Evangelicals” converting to Catholicism necessarily. It’s that of intellectuals converting to Catholicism. And that’s not to say these intellectuals were strictly intellectual. But I mean it to say that they took their reasons for believing very seriously.  We only have to look back a few generations to find Chesterton, Merton, Newman, etc. as part of the same trend.

In my own experience, I’ve seen that more people who convert to Catholicism do so on account of their reason. Whereas those that leave the Church do so based on some emotion or negative experience associated with the Church.

When I ask an evangelical why they left the Church. The answer is almost always an emotion. Something made them feel a certain way. Or they just didn’t like the way something was done in Catholicism. Or it didn’t suit their lifestyle. Or some other experience made them feel nice.

There is a long list of protestant (and other) leaders and scholars who have converted to Catholicism. The list for those going the other direction is devastatingly short.

This is why I think we are seeing, and will continue to see even more, protestant thinkers converting to Catholicism. Protestantism is running its course. All the protest is getting tired. And they are running out of places to find answers that don’t lead them deep into Church history, back to the ancient liturgy, and into the intellectual tradition that ultimately leads to one place: Rome.

Protestantism has drifted far enough away from orthodox Christianity that it can now look back at the trees and recognize the forest. And if you’re not entirely in the Catholic Church, that just might be the next best place to be…

“There are two ways of getting home; and one of them is to stay there. The other is to walk round the whole world till we come back to the same place; and I tried to trace such a journey in a story I once wrote. It is, however, a relief to turn from that topic to another story that I never wrote. Like every book I never wrote, it is by far the best book I have ever written. It is only too probable that I shall never write it, so I will use it symbolically here; for it was a symbol of the same truth. I conceived it as a romance of those vast valleys with sloping sides, like those along which the ancient White Horses of Wessex are scrawled along the flanks of the hills. It concerned some boy whose farm or cottage stood on such a slope, and who went on his travels to find something, such as the effigy and grave of some giant; and when he was far enough from home he looked back and saw that his own farm and kitchen-garden, shining flat on the hill-side like the colours and quarterings of a shield, were but parts of some such gigantic figure, on which he had always lived, but which was too large and too close to be seen. That, I think, is a true picture of the progress of any really independent intelligence today; and that is the point of this book.

The point of this book, in other words, is that the next best thing to being really inside Christendom is to be really outside it. ” - G. K. Chesterton (Everlasting Man)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: authority; catholic; convert; evangelical; evangelicals; freformed; trends
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1 posted on 08/05/2010 12:36:13 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
Some additional, related FR threads.

Pastor and Flock Become Catholics

12 Reasons I Joined the Catholic Church

2 posted on 08/05/2010 12:37:42 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: NYer
I like the British term for Anglicans going back to Rome, "swimming the Tiber." More picturesque.

3 posted on 08/05/2010 12:39:07 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: NYer

In scripture, this is addressed in Paul’s letter to the Galatians.


4 posted on 08/05/2010 12:41:27 PM PDT by lurk
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To: NYer
Pure b.s. and wishful thinking. My wife and I left the catholic “church” and will never return to it. We have found God in Spirit and truth; not in idols. If you want to see the future, look at Latin America, and see how catholics are becoming evangelicals by the hundreds of thousands. Or you can stick your head in the ground.
5 posted on 08/05/2010 12:49:32 PM PDT by gedeon3 (Wake up America!! The enemy is among us!)
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To: NYer
At the conservative, non-denominational church where I am a member upwards of 40% of the congregation is former Roman Catholic.

Those that I have talked to about their departure said it was mainly due to theological reasons.

6 posted on 08/05/2010 12:50:04 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: All
One of the comments to that article raises an excellent point. I recall this episode but not the name of the guest.

On a recent “Journey Home” with Marcus Grodi program (on EWTN), a guest made the following observation (which I paraphrase):

1) The Protestants converting to Catholicism tend to be people who understand theology, Church history, etc. quite well, and who are seeking to take their Christian faith to a deeper level.

2) Catholics that leave the Catholic Church tend too be ‘poorly catechized’ and never really understood well the deeper aspects (‘mysteries’) of the Catholic faith.

7 posted on 08/05/2010 12:50:43 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: lurk

I think Ephesians 4:4-6 has more to do with it.


8 posted on 08/05/2010 12:52:08 PM PDT by Campion
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To: NYer

As long as the net SPIRITUAL migration is TO Christ, not FROM Him, I couldn’t give a fig whether the surface-level manifestation is into or out of Catholicism, evangelicalism, or any other “ism.” There have been complete apostates at the deepest and highest levels of every “ism” you can think of.

Being an evangelical, simply means that one is an evangelical; it says nothing definitive as to whether or not one is truly in Christ. Likewise for every subset of Christianity on Earth.

The name on the sign out front, is no guarantee as to the name on the heart within.


9 posted on 08/05/2010 12:52:14 PM PDT by HKMk23 (http://home.astound.net/~play4keeps/)
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To: NYer

As a conservative, I hope that they do not start voting like Catholics.


10 posted on 08/05/2010 12:52:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: NYer

“The Catholic convert is actually experiencing real, lasting conversion. Those leaving the Church seem to be lost and searching souls that most likely had no idea what they were leaving in the first place.”

No bias here!

I’ve met many Catholics who experience real lasting conversion after leaving the Catholic Church. And I’ve met many confused people who turn to the Catholic Church for a dose of smells and bells.


11 posted on 08/05/2010 12:52:55 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: NYer

That sounds right to me, at least from what I have observed here.


12 posted on 08/05/2010 12:54:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: gedeon3

Well, I started out as a Baptist and ended up a Catholic. I prefer the statue “idols” to the preachers, Christian rock singers, and bible interpretations I saw treated as idols among Evangelicals. I still love them all dearly, but I think the theology is “pure b.s.”


13 posted on 08/05/2010 12:55:06 PM PDT by Austin Scott
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To: gedeon3
If you want to see the future, look at Latin America, and see how catholics are becoming evangelicals by the hundreds of thousands. Or you can stick your head in the ground.

You're right! Your comment reminded me of an article written by Kristine Franklin.


"How I Solved the Catholic Problem"
by Kristine L. Franklin

Guatemala is at a turning point. Historically it's been a 100% Catholic country - but that's changing - rapidly. Demographers predict that early in the next century Guatemala will become the first mostly-Protestant Latin American country.

The jet made a careful descent between the three volcanoes that ring the sprawl of Guatemala City. It was April 19th, 1992. My husband, Marty, and I had reached the end of eight years of preparation to be Evangelical Protestant missionaries.

We were finally here, excited and eager to settle in Guatemala. We knew our faith would be challenged and stretched, but we were more than ready for it because above all else, we desired to serve God with everything we could offer. Our new life as missionaries had just begun.

I didn't feel even a twinge of regret over what we'd left behind in the States: family, friends, a familiar language and culture, and amenities like clean water and good roads we Americans so often take for granted. In spite of the unknowns ahead, I knew we were being obedient, regardless of the cost. We were living smack in the middle of God's will, and it gave us a great feeling of security. We had given ourselves fully to bringing Christ's light to the darkness of this impoverished, Catholic country.

As the jet touched down onto the bumpy runway, tears welled in my eyes. "Thank you, Jesus," I whispered as I reached over to squeeze my husband's hand. Marty and I had come to the end of a long journey, but we were also beginning a new one. "Some day, Lord," I prayed silently, "I hope this foreign place will feel like home."

I was elated as we walked down the exit ramp from the plane and began the long-awaited adventure of being Protestant missionaries - missionaries sent to "rescue" Catholics from the darkness of their religion's superstition and man-made traditions and bring them into the light of Protestantism.

There's no way I could have known that three years later, almost to the day, my husband and my two children and I would stand holding hands again, elated again, waiting to be received into the Catholic Church. Let me explain what happened that led me, a staunch Evangelical, to become Catholic.


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14 posted on 08/05/2010 12:58:20 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
And I’ve met many confused people who turn to the Catholic Church for a dose of smells and bells.

Yeah, so you respond to something you found insulting/offensive by insulting people as "confused"?

15 posted on 08/05/2010 12:58:54 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: NYer

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16 posted on 08/05/2010 1:05:36 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: ansel12
As a conservative, I hope that they do not start voting like Catholics.

"Mrs. Gingrich #2 was dumped after her husband had carried on an extramarital affair with a fetching, blond congressional staffer named Callista Bisek, who went on to become the present Mrs. Gingrich #3. This Family Values paradigm was complicated by the fact that whilst Mr. Gingrich was filibustering Ms. Bisek over the Speaker’s desk, he was simultaneously leading the impeachment charge against a naughty president of the United States....The much-married Newt Gingrich converts to Catholicism this weekend—and I’d pay a year’s salary to have been a bug on the wall during his religious instruction."
-- Christopher Buckley, from the thread The Audacity of Poping
Related threads:
On Gingrich: A legacy of surrender
On Gingrich: A legacy of surrender
Newt Gingrich on his conversion to Catholicism
Newt Gingrich and the Rise of Catholic Conservatism
The Audacity of Poping
Christopher Buckley Mocks Church (500 word snicker about Newt Gingrich becoming a Catholic)
Christopher Buckley on Newt Gingrich’s Catholic conversion

17 posted on 08/05/2010 1:06:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: gedeon3

It is sad but true that the Church has fallen short in her obligation to the faithful to catechize and protect them from error.

Twice in the past week at my job I have encountered “Latin Americans” who were completely ignorant of the Church and her history, doctrines and commission by Christ.

One man, upon seeing the bracelet I was wearing with depictions of different holy people and Christ, asked if I was Mexican. When I said no, I am Catholic he expressed extreme surprise and remarked, “I thought only Mexicans were Catholic and all white people are Christian.” He actually had no idea that the Catholic church in Mexico is the same Church in America, Italy, Ireland, Poland and throughout the world, or that Catholics are Christians.

Another family I met also commented on the bracelet and we spoke of which church we attend. They told me they go to a “Christian” church now. They really like all the music and stuff according to them, so they have quit going to Mass.

These are just two glaring examples of a real failure that needs to be addressed by the clergy and hierarchy of the Church.


18 posted on 08/05/2010 1:12:31 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: gedeon3

I am not just an Evangelical but a Born Again Christian. I pray to GOD, not some idol. I am not welcome in the Catholic church, I’m divorced. They would have rather I stay with an abusive man. I love my boys to much to stay with a man who wanted to beat them. Spent 10 years as a single mom until GOD put a good man in our path, who raised them like his own. I couldn’t even be buried in ‘hallowed’ ground according to the Catholic church.


19 posted on 08/05/2010 1:21:26 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: ansel12
As a conservative, I hope that they do not start voting like Catholics.

Nobody who votes liberal can be any more than nominally "Catholic."

20 posted on 08/05/2010 1:23:48 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Pyro7480

“Yeah, so you respond to something you found insulting/offensive by insulting people as “confused”?”

There’s nothing particularity insulting about the use of the descriptor, “confused”.

Unless you’re Mr. Thin-Skin.

;)


21 posted on 08/05/2010 1:26:15 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: GailA

The prohibition of divorce comes directly from Christ Himself. The Church can only abide by the rules of its Founder.


22 posted on 08/05/2010 1:28:33 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: NYer

That article has a LOT of problems with it.


23 posted on 08/05/2010 1:34:36 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: gedeon3; GailA

Your false accusations of idolatry transgress the commandment against bearing false witness.


24 posted on 08/05/2010 1:36:13 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

That maybe so, but I refused to stay married to a man who would beat a 3 year old for stupid reasons, or pick up a 6 week old to spank him because he had colic.

I spanked both of them many times when the offense was serious enough to call for it. But always with a open hand to the backside. Not a punch or a blow to the head, which their ‘father’ would have done if I had not left him.


25 posted on 08/05/2010 1:36:35 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; gedeon3; GailA

“Your false accusations of idolatry transgress the commandment against bearing false witness.”

I’ve seen South American and European Catholics bring gifts of food and drink and lay them in front of statues of Saints as gifts to them.

Does that qualify as “idolatry” in your book?

Cause it does in mine.


26 posted on 08/05/2010 1:40:47 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: NYer
Is there a growing trend of Evangelicals converting to Catholicism?

No. The plural of anecdote is not "data".

27 posted on 08/05/2010 1:43:47 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Jvette; gedeon3
They really like all the music and stuff according to them, so they have quit going to Mass.

And there it is! That is one of the reasons the author gives for why poorly catechized Catholics leave the church. Sadly, these people have no concept of the Mass and how they have abandoned Christ who comes to them in the Eucharist.

28 posted on 08/05/2010 1:44:44 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Keep it up with the insults.


29 posted on 08/05/2010 1:54:38 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: GailA

It is the priest’s job to resolve family disputes like this. A father that harms his children is in serious sin and would be denied communion until he repents if the mother informs the priest. If the father is not controllable by the priest and there is grave necessity, separation and civil divorce is permitted.


30 posted on 08/05/2010 1:55:28 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: NYer
It is easy to leave Catholicism when you are poorly catechized.

If you don't know what you believe there is no reason to hold it dear.

There are parallels in the world at large.. If you weren't educated in what makes the US different from other places..how can you hold her dear or even respect her?

31 posted on 08/05/2010 1:55:58 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: NYer

We have a few converts in our parish. Besides being well versed biblically, they are on fire for the Eucharist.

It’s like this light went on and they SEE, Christ is Present.


32 posted on 08/05/2010 1:56:25 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Nobody who votes liberal can be any more than nominally "Catholic."

That is an easy thing to keep saying generation after generation, after generation, after generation, but it doesn't help conservatives.

33 posted on 08/05/2010 1:59:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m not much into individual stories like that, I don’t think that it speaks to anything larger, it is just a story about a guy named Newt Gingrich.


34 posted on 08/05/2010 2:04:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: NYer

I find it of interest, when I read Catholic’s both here and on Catholic Answers.com describing Evangelicals I note that the details they mention do not reflect this Evangelicals 35 years personal experience post Rome.

And is it just me but am I the only one in the world that see’s humor in the statement that 1000s of young Evangelicals are crossing the Tiber looking for a moral authority in their church that they are not getting in evangelical land? And what about this intellectual thing? Go to your typical Bible Book Store and find at least some theology books. Go to a Catholic Book Store and read about the latest sighting of the BVM. I leave it to the reader to decide which is more intellectual.

I keep my ear fairly close to the ground with respect to what the Catholics are talking about. Seem’s like they have talking points memo’s because this week it’s bash the non- denominationals. A few weeks ago it was bash the baptists while playing nice to the Anglicans and more recient the Lutherans.


35 posted on 08/05/2010 2:05:19 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: NYer

I know. That’s why I said it’s sad.


36 posted on 08/05/2010 2:07:25 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Bosco
At the conservative, non-denominational church where I am a member upwards of 40% of the congregation is former Roman Catholic.

Those that I have talked to about their departure said it was mainly due to theological reasons.

At the local conservative, non-denominational church here, over half of the congregation is former Roman Catholic. And the majority of them are there because they're divorced and remarried.

Their prior church had theological reasons for not remarrying them after they got divorced.

37 posted on 08/05/2010 2:16:30 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Oh bother," said Pooh, as he chambered another round...)
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To: GailA
That maybe so, but I refused to stay married to a man who would beat a 3 year old for stupid reasons, or pick up a 6 week old to spank him because he had colic.

And no Catholic would criticize you for doing so...but you knew that, didn't you?

Do you really imagine no one notices the difference between why you justifiably left the first husband, and subsequently took on the second?

38 posted on 08/05/2010 2:21:59 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I’ve seen South American and European Catholics bring gifts of food and drink and lay them in front of statues of Saints as gifts to them.

That sounds bizarre and certainly has nothing to do with Catholicism. Where in Europe have you seen this? Putting flowers in front of statues is a show of respect but no purpose is served by food or drink. It would have to be some kind of pagan syncretism.

Idolatry is displacement of God in one's heart with something else. God Himself raised up the Prophets, Apostles, and Saints to inspire His people. The normal, healthy veneration of saints has been universal within the Church since the time of the earliest Christians. It helps keep us mindful of God's power by serving as a well-proven channel of His miracles.

39 posted on 08/05/2010 2:27:43 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: PetroniusMaximus
And I’ve met many confused people who turn to the Catholic Church for a dose of smells and bells.

I call b.s.

If you know people who went Catholic for "smells and bells" then I know evangelicals who got "saved" to get more business!

40 posted on 08/05/2010 2:30:17 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: ansel12
Nobody who votes liberal can be any more than nominally "Catholic."

That is an easy thing to keep saying generation after generation, after generation, after generation, but it doesn't help conservatives.

I greatly decry the plague of liberal bishops since the 60's but even I have to admit that many bishops have been stalwarts on abortion and gay marriage. However, the Church itself is eternal and its teaching is immovable so it is much larger than particular bishops who fumble the ball on issues like immigration. Catholic Church doctrine is the greatest bulwark against all forms of immorality and heresy.

41 posted on 08/05/2010 2:47:06 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

As an American and a conservative, what I see is the left’s political base for at least a 100 years.


42 posted on 08/05/2010 2:50:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: fatboy
And is it just me but am I the only one in the world that see’s humor in the statement that 1000s of young Evangelicals are crossing the Tiber looking for a moral authority in their church that they are not getting in evangelical land? And what about this intellectual thing?Go to your typical Bible Book Store and find at least some theology books. Go to a Catholic Book Store and read about the latest sighting of the BVM. I leave it to the reader to decide which is more intellectual.

The Catholic Church has 2000 years of written patrimony from the wisest souls and greatest intellects in history. Protestantism has nothing like it to compare.

43 posted on 08/05/2010 2:52:38 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: papertyger

“I call b.s.”

Sorry, it’s not bs.

And you’re probably very right about the false conversion of some evangelicals.

But here’s the crux: conversions, sincere or fake, go both ways.

A conversion of person “X” to Catholicism doesn’t disprove Evangelicalism any more than the conversion of person “Y” to Evangelicalism disproves Catholicism.

The only debate any Evangelical and Catholic should have is over one issue: Authority.

All other debates are a waste of time. All discussions regarding numbers of conversions and horsetrading are ultimately a waste of time.


44 posted on 08/05/2010 2:58:22 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: fatboy
Go to your typical Bible Book Store and find at least some theology books. Go to a Catholic Book Store and read about the latest sighting of the BVM.

Stuff and nonsense.

I leave it to the reader to decide which is more intellectual.

This reader is more interested in which description is more truthful. The description of a Catholic Book Store is utterly, completely, thoroughly wrong. It's shameful ... nobody who has actually been in a Catholic bookstore could honestly describe it that way.

45 posted on 08/05/2010 2:58:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: HKMk23
The name on the sign out front is no guarantee as to the name on the heart within.

Quote of the week -- would you mind too terribly if, in future, I stole it for a tagline?
46 posted on 08/05/2010 3:03:02 PM PDT by Category Four (Joy, Fun, the Joke Proper, and Flippancy ... Flippancy is the best of all.)
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To: ansel12
Do you consider Joe McCarthy and his most ardent followers to have been the left? How about the Dixiecrats of the Old South politically allied with the hard-nosed Northern ethnics?

Some of the biggest conservative disappointments have come from traditional Protestant institutions such as Harvard, Yale, and the blue-blood establishment. Old-line Protestant denominations have dried up and blown away. I admit that Catholics have a mixed record but there is enough blame to go around for all.

47 posted on 08/05/2010 3:03:12 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: NYer

The Papists and Cromwellites can fight all they want: The fastest growing “religious” demographic in the US is the nonreligious.


48 posted on 08/05/2010 3:07:33 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

What I consider liberal is the Catholic vote being an extremely dependable vote for the left in election, after election for generations. There was nothing unique about the Catholics electing Obama.


49 posted on 08/05/2010 3:07:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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The fastest growing “religious” demographic in the US is the nonreligious.

These children of the "Enlightenment" are grandchildren of the Protestant "Reformation." The only antidote is a return to REAL old-time religion.

50 posted on 08/05/2010 3:16:35 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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