Bullinger was a musician, so he would have to be the Patron Saint of Dispensationist Musicians. When I retire as an attorney and begin working full time as a musician, I will necessarily have to switch Patron saints.
Posted on 08/05/2010 5:00:51 PM PDT by wmfights
Edited on 08/05/2010 8:15:23 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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“1). the change from Law to Grace.”
Was Abraham chosen by grace? Was Israel as a race chosen by grace? When you were chosen before the foundation of the world was it according to the grace of God?
Bullinger was not a Lawyer.
The questions of Aquinas are thousand times more fruitful.
Bullinger had a beard!
No promise of the establishment of the Body of Christ was made to Abraham. It was a secret hid in God until revealed to Paul.
Justification by faith and the establishment of the Body of Christ are not synonymous concepts.
Bullinger was a musician, so he would have to be the Patron Saint of Dispensationist Musicians. When I retire as an attorney and begin working full time as a musician, I will necessarily have to switch Patron saints.
Up until the dispensation of grace, men were either accepted or rejected of God on the basis of the sacrifice they offered, but faith was counted to them for righteousness. Faith in God's Word to them is what was counted for righteousness.
Exactly. They had a different expectation. The early believers sold their assets came to Jerusalem and looked for Jesus to return and establish The Kingdom. It wasn't until Paul was converted that Christ Crucified was preached to the Gentiles.
Romans 13: 47"For so the Lord has commanded us, 'I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.'"
48When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord
Isaiah 49: 6
He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
Before I go on, I DO BELIEVE we are in the time of the Gentiles the Bible mentions. My point is, as Gentile believers we need to look at our Jewish brothers differently. We Gentiles are so focused on "Israels" rejection we elevate ourselves in our own minds. But the reality is, we are only saved BY GODS GRACE, not by something WE have done.
Titus3: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
It is with this humility at our focus that we look appropriately at our Jewish brothers. The very fact that we are looking at a seperation between the 2 shows our bias AND arrogance.
We should be like the Gentiles mentioned in Romans 13, knowing that we have been included into the Jewish God.
Our hearts should be breaking for the Jews, INSTEAD we focus on OUR belief and THEIR unbelief, as our being better.
Show me where God has ever removed Israel from "I HAVE PLACED YOU".
Oh, I believe that, as you do. It’s just at this time, Jews and Gentiles are declared equal before God, and Christ’s sacrifice for us on the cross is for both Jew and Gentile, equal standing before God. There is none righteous, no not one. He has created One New Man, neither Jew nor Gentile, but believers in the grace of God.
I don't know where this is being said.
AND SEPERATE FROM the Jews.
Outside our Messianic Brothers and Sisters in Christ we are.
Isaiah 49:6
He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
Isaiah said this long before Paul preached it.
It was always Gods intention to include Gentiles at some point.
I also think that this was a prophecy that the Jewish leaders didn't like, and refused to teach. They wanted to be set apart-better than the Gentiles.
And us Gentiles have returned the favor.
BC and AD.
Amen
Since you have a good conversation going, I will remove the body, source and link and edit the title to simply "Dispensationalism." If you'd rather have it pulled or locked, let me know.
"I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Who are the Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the convenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises:" (Rom. 9:1-4).
My gosh, Paul's heart was breaking for Israel, that they, as a nation, would not accept Christ. Individual Jews, yes, but not the Nation of Israel.
The good news, is they WILL one day. As a nation, and they WILL look on the one they pierced and know...(seriously, this makes me tear up..)
But lets look at Hebrews 11:
Who preached The Gospel (ICor.15:1-4) the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ prior to Paul?
IF the Bible IS the inspired WORD OF GOD, then the mention of 2 GENTILE women MUST have some significance.
Sure, I believe it foreshadows that God will offer salvation to people from all races.
The discussion has been fruitful so thanks for not locking the thread. I had no idea that the source promoted a banned publication. Sorry about that.
Israel was to be a kingdom of priests and a blessing to all nations. In Israel would the nations learn of God. In the Millenial Kingdom, all the nations will come to the Holy City, to see Jesus Christ, and Israel WILL be that kingdom of priests and a blessing to all nations. Teaching all nations of His love.
It was never a mystery, nor part of any mystery, that Israel was supposed to be the "evangelistic" instrument to take the knowledge of Jehovah and His salvation to the nations, yeah to the end of the earth.
After the Body of Christ is translated off the earth, during Daniel's 70th Week, when Israel's prophetic clock begins ticking again, they will indeed be the instrument to take His Salvation to the end of the earth (Revelation chs. 7 & 14).
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