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Goddess and Mother Prayers Prominent in Gay ELCA Service
Exposing the ELCA ^ | 8/2/2010 | Dan Skogen

Posted on 08/09/2010 8:03:33 AM PDT by Enought

Many of you know the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America recently added seven pastors who are gay, bisexual or transgender, to its clergy roster. This occurred at a Rite of Reception service.

Here are a few things you may not have heard concerning this.

1) During the "festival Eucharist celebrating the reception and reinstatement of pastors," (p 4) the congregation recited the “Our Mother who is within us” prayer taken from the Goddess Rosary (read more about the Goddess Rosary here) . The prayer goes like this -

"Our Mother who is within us we celebrate your many names. Your wisdom come, your will be done, unfolding from the depths within us. Each day you give us all that we need. You remind us of our limits and we let go. You support us in our power and we act in courage. For you are the dwelling place within us, the empowerment around us, and the celebration among us, now and forever. Amen"

"The paraphrase of the Lord’s Prayer, 'Our Mother who is within us . . .' is a part of the Goddess Rosary offered at University Lutheran Chapel of Berkeley (ELCA)."

2) The sermon for this "celebration" was delivered by Rev. Nadia Bolz-Weber, who is a "Featured Speaker" at the publicized ELCA "Sharing the Gospel in a 2.0 World" event on August 11-14, 2010. (read here)

3) Much like item 1), they included a number of other prayers (listed below) to a god they call "Mother." (note that the Bible never calls God this name)

"O Sophia, Wisdom and Mother of us all, you are One with many names and images. May we see in all who are gathered here today your multiplicity of blessings. Today we honor your unlocking systems and practices that devalued and demeaned us for so many years and by putting your way of honoring people in its place. Most Holy One."

"Life-giving Mother, you make a home for us in the midst of our fear… …that we may share your gifts with a hungry world:"

View the Rite of Reception service here .

One should also take note that there were a number of ELCA bishops involved in this Rite of Reception, as well as many ELCA pastors.

This kind of thing would not be happening if the ELCA did not support it.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostasy; elca; gay; goddess; homosexual; lutheran; mother
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1 posted on 08/09/2010 8:03:39 AM PDT by Enought
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To: Enought

maybe the ECLA will draw the line at offering up their firstborn to be burned


2 posted on 08/09/2010 8:12:36 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: Enought

Sounds like stuff you’d hear in a novena for the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary, the goddess worshiped by so many Catholics). In both cases, an impostor, who can appear as an angel of light, Lucifer or one of his minions, siphons off the adoration due only to God.


3 posted on 08/09/2010 8:12:47 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: Enought

They’re trying to “kill” God and replace him with their own made up god. God will not be mocked and there will be a price to pay.


4 posted on 08/09/2010 8:20:27 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Enought

‘Mother’ is probably Gaia...

The Earth is NOT my ‘mother’.


5 posted on 08/09/2010 8:23:04 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (drain the swamp! ( then napalm it and pave it over ))
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To: RJR_fan
What will you do when you stand before Our Lord and he asks you why you so slandered his Mother?

She is not a Goddess, but Our Lady is the pinnacle of creation completely obedient to Our Lord, these "Christians" just want some PC Da Vinci Code Goddess to worship so they can be "inclusive"

6 posted on 08/09/2010 8:27:17 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: Enought
The Evangelical Lutheran Coven of America. Folks, it's become a pagan organization. If you're a Christian, get out. There are a variety of member churches of the PCA, Southern Baptist Convention, Wisconsin Synod Lutherans, Missouri Synod Lutherans, and even the Seventh Day Adventists who would welcome you with open arms.
7 posted on 08/09/2010 8:30:23 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: KC_Lion
She is not a Goddess, but Our Lady is the pinnacle of creation completely obedient to Our Lord,....

And the bible NEVER, EVER tells people to pray to her, yet Catholics do it all the time with the Rosary. After Jesus' death, she is never heard from again in all of NT writ for a reason.

It's a slander to Yeshua and an embarrasment to His mother that so much attention is drawn to her at His expense.

8 posted on 08/09/2010 8:37:12 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Germans in 1932 thought they were voting for change too.)
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To: Enought
...the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America recently added seven pastors who are gay, bisexual or transgender, to its clergy roster.

The odd thing about this female god they want to create and want to call "Mother" is that none of these folks care to follow this maternal god as a progenitor. They are strangely self-inhibited from ever being a mother or a father. The very fact that they seem to revere unattainable motherhood so highly points to inner conflict and confusion.

9 posted on 08/09/2010 8:39:21 AM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: RJR_fan

Catholics don’t worship any goddesses, sorry. Maybe instead of slandering Catholics, you should reflect on why a denomination named after one of your “reformers” is now this far down the road to paganism and the open acceptance of sodomy.


10 posted on 08/09/2010 8:42:10 AM PDT by Campion
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To: KC_Lion
What will you do when you stand before Our Lord and he asks you why you so slandered his Mother?

I will gratefully accept His commendation and accolades for defending the reputation of the godly virgin mother of my Lord from the opprobrium and contumacious slander of those who give blasphemous worship to an impostor who posed as her.

11 posted on 08/09/2010 8:42:44 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: RJR_fan
the godly virgin mother

The Queen of Heaven in your religion?

12 posted on 08/09/2010 8:48:15 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Enought
"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Amen."


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

13 posted on 08/09/2010 8:50:59 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Enought

Sounds like they’ve really gone the New Age/Occult direction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess_movement

Rather than having dominion over the Earth, Goddess movement theorists see humans living as part of the Earth environment, and also refer to Earth as “Mother.”


14 posted on 08/09/2010 8:55:42 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Enought
"festival Eucharist"
"Goddess Rosary"
"Our Mother who is within us..."
"Rev. Nadia Bolz-Weber"
"O Sophia, Wisdom and Mother of us all"


15 posted on 08/09/2010 9:08:37 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Yet_Again
a variety of member churches of the PCA, Southern Baptist Convention, Wisconsin Synod Lutherans, Missouri Synod Lutherans

All of which are just as susceptible to Paganism Creep as was the ELCA

Seventh Day Adventists

A quasi-Christian cult

Any denomination with a theology based upon the individual interpretation of Scripture is easy meat for the Enemy. YOPIOS = Heresy, sooner or later. No Pope, No Hope.

16 posted on 08/09/2010 9:12:30 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Tamar1973
The Rosary is how we can reflect on the life of Our Lord, Our Lady never takes away from our love to G-D. She brings people to her Son, like the saints and even regular people who bring others to his worship.

What about Acts 1:26 verse 14, or more especially Revelation 12:1.

But the point is that the ELCA Service is a disgrace to all Christians everywhere and wants to water down the true faith with this New Age crap.

17 posted on 08/09/2010 9:12:52 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: RJR_fan
We should always be on the look out for impostors (i.e. this ELCA crap) but when the real thing comes don't place the burden of proof on G-D.
18 posted on 08/09/2010 9:15:15 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: RJR_fan

• I left the Church in 1980 and became a Protestant and I often had discussions with my mother regarding praying to our Lord’s Mother instead of directly to Him, like She was at a reception desk saying, ”I’ll see if He is in”. Then one day when we were on that subject my mother came back to me with a story about intercession. It was the story of Jesus, about 30 years old, with his parents at a wedding. Jesus was not ready to publically perform miracles but the bride’s parents were in need of one. The Bible tells us that they went to the Mother of Jesus, to intercede on their behalf. Jesus, at the urging of his Mother did perform the miracle turning water into wine at Cana. Many times Protestants misinterpret the Catholic religion - that we pray to Mary as opposed to pray through Her to intercede on our behalf. That is the Biblical basis and it is a very important one. It was our Lord’s first miracle and it wasn’t put in the Bible by accident. I hope this helps.


19 posted on 08/09/2010 9:20:11 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Thank you, Mr Bush.)
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To: B-Chan
Nothing is worse than Paganism Creep. It's been around a LONG time. Since Nimrod, of Babylon fame. He and his followers worshipped the Supreme Father, the Incarnate Female, or Queen of Heaven, and her Son. They had confessions to priests, mystical and divine secrets and mysterious rites.

Isn't Babylon located right across the Tiber from Rome? Julias Caesar became head of the Roman branch of the Babylonian Cult in 63 B.C. Other emperors held the office until 376 A.D. when the emperor Gratian refused it because it was anti-Christian in its idolatrous nature. That's a good thing. It must have ended right there.

But uh-oh..in 378 A.D., Demasus, bishop of the Christian Church at Rome, was elected and from here on Christianity and Babylonianism became ONE. With rituals encouraged, worship and veneration of images, saints, relics, private confessions, penances, scourgings, etc. and one step at a time, became a part of organized worship in Rome..

sounds like Paganism Creep crept across the Tiber and right INTO Rome.

20 posted on 08/09/2010 9:29:15 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice

With all due respect: you are delusional. They’re waiting for you at jackchick.com.


21 posted on 08/09/2010 9:35:44 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Tamar1973
Dear Brother-Catholics have nothing to do with this article. Its in the your definition of "Pray" that the misunderstanding begins with your view.

Pray is a not always to God.-

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pray

pray (pr) v. prayed, pray·ing, prays

v.intr.

1. To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.

2. To make a fervent request or entreaty. v.tr.

1. To utter or say a prayer or prayers to; address by prayer.

2. To ask (someone) imploringly; beseech. Now often used elliptically for I pray you to introduce a request or entreaty: Pray be careful.

3. To make a devout or earnest request for: I pray your permission to speak.

4. To move or bring by prayer or entreaty.

[Middle English preien, from Old French preier, from Latin precr, from prec, pl. of *prex, prayer; see prek- in Indo-European roots.]

http://catholicism.about.com/od/thesaints/f/Pray_to_Saints.htm -

So when you see the word "pray" you naturally thinking solo beseech to honor and worship God only. Well there's more to the definition as shown above. When we say we pray to Mary we are beseeching her to pray for us. In Christ with Christ in the Unity of the Holy Spirit to the Father.

The Difference Between Prayer and Worship

Many non-Catholic Christians believe that it is wrong to pray to the saints, claiming that our prayers should be directed to God alone. Some Catholics, responding to this criticism, have argued that we do not pray to the saints but with them.

Both groups, however, are confusing prayer with worship. True worship (as opposed to veneration or honor) does indeed belong to God alone, and we should never worship man or any other creature as we worship God. But while worship may take the form of prayer, as in the Mass and other liturgies of the Church, not all prayer is worship. When we pray to the saints, we’re simply asking them to help us, by praying to God on our behalf, or thanking them for having already done so.

Since Christ was assumed into Heaven after telling the Church to do the Great Commission. Meaning mere men had the responsibility to spread the word of the Gospel. He has a Big confidence in man to bring the message to the whole world. More than we have for each other at times. He is sharing the burden here on earth for mankind. How much more so to share in total perfection of those in heaven. Who are in the body of Christ more Glorious than us. We can and do ask for their prays. Just like we ask for prays to fellow Christians in the body of Christ here.

22 posted on 08/09/2010 9:39:20 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: B-Chan
I don't know..

I don't find myself PRAYING to the "Queen of Heaven", Mary, to ask HER to intercede with her Son..I don't believe SHE was immaculately conceived, or that SHE was assumed bodily into heaven, and is seated on the right hand of Christ, dispensing grace to mankind...

23 posted on 08/09/2010 9:55:48 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: RJR_fan

I was thinking the same thing


24 posted on 08/09/2010 9:58:45 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: B-Chan
LoL !This all started with This Nutty thinking started by Fantasy writer Alexander Hyslop. He is up there with all the great fantasy writers of all time. This reckless connect my fantasy dot to the other nutty dot of my own bigoted thinking which is portrayed as History.Before the 1500's there is no real truth recorded to go back to the actual times.

The Two Babylons is an anti-Catholic conspiracy theory based religious pamphlet produced initially by the Scottish theologian and Presbyterian Alexander Hislop in 1853. It was later expanded in 1858 and finally published as a book in 1919. Its central theme is its allegation that the Catholic Church is a veiled continuation of the pagan religion of Babylon, the veiled paganism being the product of a millennia old conspiracy.[1][2] It has been recognized by scholars as discredited and has been called a "tribute to historical inaccuracy and know-nothing religious bigotry" with "shoddy scholarship, blatant dishonesty" and a "nonsensical thesis".[3][4]

Although scholarship has shown the picture presented by Hislop to be absurd and based on an exceedingly poor understanding of historical Babylon and its religion, his book remains popular among some fundamentalist protestant Christians.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Babylons

Wiki got it right on this one. It lines up with other sites. Just to give you a taste of the bull.....

25 posted on 08/09/2010 9:59:26 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: johngrace

Lots of religions want their “Queen of Heaven” to venerate. There is nothing NEW under the sun. Just a repackaging and a new name.


26 posted on 08/09/2010 10:17:48 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: B-Chan
All of which are just as susceptible to Paganism Creep as was the ELCA

Every religious institution on earth is susceptible to heresy - catholicism included. Just ask the Jesuits.

Seventh Day Adventists A quasi-Christian cult

While adventism may hold some unusual beliefs relative to other christian denominations, they are quite solidly in the realm of orthodox Christianity.

Any denomination with a theology based upon the individual interpretation of Scripture is easy meat for the Enemy. YOPIOS = Heresy, sooner or later. No Pope, No Hope.

Any religion in which the authority of revealed truth is subjugated to the opinion of modern individuals is even easier. While "No Pope, No Hope" is clever, I prefer "Know Jesus, Know Peace" - an individual transaction conducted entirely apart from whichever earthly organized form of religion one participates in.
27 posted on 08/09/2010 10:19:44 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: smvoice

Meaning no disrespect, FRiend, but your personal religious views and practices are of no interest to me. Thank you for writing.


28 posted on 08/09/2010 10:24:13 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Yet_Again

That’s an interesting opinion — one based upon feelings and prejudices rather than facts, and thus of no value, but interesting. Thank you for writing.


29 posted on 08/09/2010 10:26:47 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: ynotjjr
Jesus was not ready to publically perform miracles but the bride’s parents were in need of one. The Bible tells us that they went to the Mother of Jesus, to intercede on their behalf. Jesus, at the urging of his Mother did perform the miracle turning water into wine at Cana. True. Then again, everyone you cite in this story was very much alive at this point in time. Communication with the departed has a very old proscription against it in the Judeo-Christian tradition, one that goes all the way back to Saul's deception. We are but sheep, and when we venture into the spiritual realm in this way we become more like mutton. Changing the label of such communications to "prayer" in no way alters its deadly nature.
30 posted on 08/09/2010 10:27:35 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: B-Chan

I’m certain they don’t. But that is the beauty of the internet. It’s not about “you”. Meaning no disrespect, of course.


31 posted on 08/09/2010 10:30:03 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice

If it were “about me”, the Internet and the world would be a happier place for everybody.


32 posted on 08/09/2010 10:33:28 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: johngrace; Tamar1973
True worship (as opposed to veneration or honor) does indeed belong to God alone,

In everyday language how does this work out in the life of a catholic

How is veneration and worship different?? in prayer ??in practice??

33 posted on 08/09/2010 10:54:17 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; johngrace
The prayer Yeshua taught us to pray starts with "Our Father, who is in Heaven..." not "Our Father and the saints who are with you...."

Prayer belongs to God and Yeshua alone. He does not share this with Mary or anyone else.

34 posted on 08/09/2010 11:00:32 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Germans in 1932 thought they were voting for change too.)
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To: Yet_Again

Now you seem to be trying to confuse the word “Communication” regarding the departed, believe you me, if they talked back to me I’d be the first to crap myself. But I do talk to my big brother who died when he fell out of his high chair in July 31, 1953 and hit his temple. I was born almost a year later on June 1. It almost destroyed my Mother. Her only brother who was 36 helped my mom through it but he got sick a few days later and died 28 days after my brother James. That did do my mom in and she didn’t come around till I was born. She never lost faith, she is 92 now and we were together at Mass yesterday. When I was going through some of the toughest days of my life last fall she suggested I talk to my brother because he is an angel. I was desperate enough to do so. I know he is with Jesus and I know he knows what is going on in my life and can’t help but think I’m living his life as well as my own. Well I opened up to him and told him I know I had a big brother and I loved him and I’m trying to live my life with honor and purpose but everything seems in a free fall. I prayed to Jesus and to my surprised things happened fast. I don’t communicate with the departed and I don’t know if God is granting my wish to avoid pain or the fortitude to deal with the pain, I’ve learned to like it that way.


35 posted on 08/09/2010 11:06:41 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Thank you, Mr Bush.)
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To: Tamar1973
You are correct we worship him, and him alone, he does not share this with Our Lady. We honor Our Lady no differently than say we honor Abraham Lincoln, the statue is not Lincoln, nor is the Crucifix, or statues of Our Lady or the Saints any more them than the rock and wood they are carved out of.

I am merely tying make sure that we Catholics are not put in the same basket with these Pagan/Liberal ELCA types that have left Yeshua's worship in favor of something false.

I don't question anyone worship of Yeshua, but when they stop like with this ELCA bunch they forsake him. We must not, G-D bless you Sister.

Avinu shebashamayim yitkadesh shimcha, tavo malchutecha, yease retsoncha kebashamayim ken ba’aretz. Et lechem chukenu ten lanu hayom, uslach lanu al chataeinu, kefi shesolchim gam anachnu lachot’im lanu. Veal tevienu lijdei nisayon ki im chaltzenu min hara. Ki lecha hamamlacha hagvura vehatif’eret leolmei olamim. Amen.

36 posted on 08/09/2010 11:14:32 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: Tamar1973

Then what do you believe is the message and significance in the story of our Lord’s first miracle specifically the relationship between the parents in need, Jesus and his mother? How about when the people told Saint Peter they were starving and St Peter telling Jesus who then blessed the loaves and fishes and everybody got to eat!


37 posted on 08/09/2010 11:22:02 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Thank you, Mr Bush.)
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To: Tamar1973

Then what do you believe is the message and significance in the story of our Lord’s first miracle specifically the relationship between the parents in need, Jesus and his mother? How about when the people told Saint Peter they were starving and St Peter telling Jesus who then blessed the loaves and fishes and everybody got to eat!


38 posted on 08/09/2010 11:22:08 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Thank you, Mr Bush.)
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To: Tamar1973

Then what do you believe is the message and significance in the story of our Lord’s first miracle specifically the relationship between the parents in need, Jesus and his mother? How about when the people told Saint Peter they were starving and St Peter telling Jesus who then blessed the loaves and fishes and everybody got to eat!


39 posted on 08/09/2010 11:22:18 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Thank you, Mr Bush.)
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To: Tamar1973

It’s all in the semantics. You just do not understand. May God Richly Bless You!


40 posted on 08/09/2010 11:59:31 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: ynotjjr
Then what do you believe is the message and significance in the story of our Lord’s first miracle specifically the relationship between the parents in need, Jesus and his mother?

That occured while they were alive. Has nothing to do with prayer or worship, period. That's a Catholic afterthought to justify a non-judaic practice into God's true religion.

41 posted on 08/09/2010 12:13:15 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Germans in 1932 thought they were voting for change too.)
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To: KC_Lion
Our Lady. We honor Our Lady no differently than say we honor Abraham Lincoln, the statue is not Lincoln, nor is the Crucifix, or statues of Our Lady or the Saints any more them than the rock and wood they are carved out of.

When I see prayers written to Abraham Lincoln then your aplogetic will stand scrutiny. By all objective standards, Mary is given disproportionate honor compared to God and His Son Yeshua, at least as far as the Rosary itself is concerned. 50+ prayers to Mary v. 10 to the Lord in the form of the Lord's praper. I don't see Abraham Lincoln getting that much attention anywhere.

42 posted on 08/09/2010 12:17:50 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Germans in 1932 thought they were voting for change too.)
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To: Enought
Wow!

An article about apostasy in the Evangelical LUTHERAN Church in America becomes, by POST #3 (!) an exercise in posting falsehoods about the Catholics.

Just amazing.

I have seldom seen a more thorough indictment of Protestantism in general.

Get the beams out of your eyes, Protestants ... Your actions on this thread cast shame and discredit on your religion.

43 posted on 08/09/2010 12:27:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Tamar1973
You've obviously never been to KCMO before :)

As for Our Lady, she does not get in our way of worshiping Yeshua, never has, she worships him too. Yeshua did give us his mother when he was on the cross, she became our mother as well, and don't the commandments say "Honor they Father and Mother"?

G-D Bless You Sister

Worship Yeshua

P.S. I see you were in Korea, where exactly? I was stationed once at Kusan

44 posted on 08/09/2010 12:40:40 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: KC_Lion
Revelation 12:1

That vision is NOT the Virgin Mary, it's a symbol of his people Israel as represented by the 12 tribes and the 12 apostles. If any eartly woman is the "Mother of the Believers", it is Sarah, as the Apostle Paul calls her the mother of those who are free.

45 posted on 08/09/2010 1:54:57 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Germans in 1932 thought they were voting for change too.)
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To: Tamar1973
But Yeshua himself gave is own mother to be Our Mother.

It matters not, we have our different beliefs, I am just glad to know more of my Jewish Brothers and Sisters have found Yeshua our Master and are worshiping him.

Yevarekh Otkha Ha-Shem Sister :)

46 posted on 08/09/2010 2:53:03 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: ynotjjr
But I do talk to my big brother who died... ...I don’t communicate with the departed... Um, ok.
47 posted on 08/09/2010 3:09:32 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Campion; KC_Lion; B-Chan; ynotjjr; ArrogantBustard; Salvation
HERE"S A DULY NOTED CASE OF GOD"S MIRACLE'S

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/2010/08/05/the-priests-who-survived-the-atomic-bomb/

48 posted on 08/09/2010 9:52:02 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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THEY PROABLY TOOK THIS FROM THE GNOSTIC LIBRARY.

Pistis Sophia desired to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and to rule over matter and over all her forces, there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance, androgynous, having great authority within him, and ignorant of whence he had come into being.

Now when Pistis Sophia saw him moving about in the depth of the waters, she said to him, “Child, pass through to here,” whose equivalent is ‘yalda baoth’.

Since that day, there appeared the principle of verbal expression, which reached the gods and the angels and mankind. And what came into being as a result of verbal expression, the gods and the angels and mankind finished. Now as for the ruler Yaltabaoth, he is ignorant of the force of Pistis: he did not see her face, rather he saw in the water the likeness that spoke with him. And because of that voice, he called himself ‘Yaldabaoth’.

But ‘Ariael’ is what the perfect call him, for he was like a lion. Now when he had come to have authority over matter, Pistis Sophia withdrew up to her light.

When the ruler saw his magnitude - and it was only himself that he saw: he saw nothing else, except for water and darkness - then he supposed that it was he alone who existed. His [...] was completed by verbal expression: it appeared as a spirit moving to and fro upon the waters. And when that spirit appeared, the ruler set apart the watery substance. And what was dry was divided into another place. And from matter, he made for himself an abode, and he called it ‘heaven’. And from matter, the ruler made a footstool, and he called it ‘earth’.

Next, the ruler had a thought - consistent with his nature - and by means of verbal expression he created an androgyne. He opened his mouth and cooed to him. When his eyes had been opened, he looked at his father, and he said to him, “Eee!” Then his father called him Eee-a-o (’Yao’). Next he created the second son. He cooed to him. And he opened his eyes and said to his father, “Eh!” His father called him ‘Eloai’. Next, he created the third son. He cooed to him. And he opened his eyes and said to his father, “Asss!” His father called him ‘Astaphaios’. These are the three sons of their father.

Seven appeared in chaos, androgynous. They have their masculine names and their feminine names. The feminine name is Pronoia (Forethought) Sambathas, which is ‘week’.
And his son is called Yao: his feminine name is Lordship.
Sabaoth: his feminine name is Deity.
Adonaios: his feminine name is Kingship.
Elaios: his feminine name is Jealousy.
Oraios: his feminine name is Wealth.
And Astaphaios: his feminine name is Sophia (Wisdom).
These are the seven forces of the seven heavens of chaos. And they were born androgynous, consistent with the immortal pattern that existed before them, according to the wish of Pistis: so that the likeness of what had existed since the beginning might reign to the end. You will find the effect of these names and the force of the male entities in the Archangelic (Book) of the Prophet Moses, and the names of the female entities in the first Book of Noraia.


49 posted on 08/09/2010 10:39:12 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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Yet_Again commented on my statement: "But I do talk to my big brother who died... ...I don’t communicate with the departed"...” Um, ok,”. By your comment “ Um, ok,”, you seem a little confused about the difference between talking to my brother who has passed on and “Communicating” with him, so I took the liberty to get you some professional help with definitions. "Definitions of communicate (v)
exchange information: understand one another." If James had decided to “communicate with me I'm quite sure my heart would have stopped and I would have finished the "exchange" in person. Hope that clears it up for you.
50 posted on 08/09/2010 11:28:57 PM PDT by ynotjjr (No Democrat left standing November 2nd)
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