Posted on 08/09/2010 8:03:33 AM PDT by Enought
Many of you know the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America recently added seven pastors who are gay, bisexual or transgender, to its clergy roster. This occurred at a Rite of Reception service.
Here are a few things you may not have heard concerning this.
1) During the "festival Eucharist celebrating the reception and reinstatement of pastors," (p 4) the congregation recited the “Our Mother who is within us” prayer taken from the Goddess Rosary (read more about the Goddess Rosary here) . The prayer goes like this -
"Our Mother who is within us we celebrate your many names. Your wisdom come, your will be done, unfolding from the depths within us. Each day you give us all that we need. You remind us of our limits and we let go. You support us in our power and we act in courage. For you are the dwelling place within us, the empowerment around us, and the celebration among us, now and forever. Amen"
"The paraphrase of the Lord’s Prayer, 'Our Mother who is within us . . .' is a part of the Goddess Rosary offered at University Lutheran Chapel of Berkeley (ELCA)."
2) The sermon for this "celebration" was delivered by Rev. Nadia Bolz-Weber, who is a "Featured Speaker" at the publicized ELCA "Sharing the Gospel in a 2.0 World" event on August 11-14, 2010. (read here)
3) Much like item 1), they included a number of other prayers (listed below) to a god they call "Mother." (note that the Bible never calls God this name)
"O Sophia, Wisdom and Mother of us all, you are One with many names and images. May we see in all who are gathered here today your multiplicity of blessings. Today we honor your unlocking systems and practices that devalued and demeaned us for so many years and by putting your way of honoring people in its place. Most Holy One."
"Life-giving Mother, you make a home for us in the midst of our fear… …that we may share your gifts with a hungry world:"
View the Rite of Reception service here .
One should also take note that there were a number of ELCA bishops involved in this Rite of Reception, as well as many ELCA pastors.
This kind of thing would not be happening if the ELCA did not support it.
With all due respect: you are delusional. They’re waiting for you at jackchick.com.
Pray is a not always to God.-
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pray
pray (pr) v. prayed, pray·ing, prays
v.intr.
1. To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.
2. To make a fervent request or entreaty. v.tr.
1. To utter or say a prayer or prayers to; address by prayer.
2. To ask (someone) imploringly; beseech. Now often used elliptically for I pray you to introduce a request or entreaty: Pray be careful.
3. To make a devout or earnest request for: I pray your permission to speak.
4. To move or bring by prayer or entreaty.
[Middle English preien, from Old French preier, from Latin precr, from prec, pl. of *prex, prayer; see prek- in Indo-European roots.]
http://catholicism.about.com/od/thesaints/f/Pray_to_Saints.htm -
So when you see the word "pray" you naturally thinking solo beseech to honor and worship God only. Well there's more to the definition as shown above. When we say we pray to Mary we are beseeching her to pray for us. In Christ with Christ in the Unity of the Holy Spirit to the Father.
The Difference Between Prayer and Worship
Many non-Catholic Christians believe that it is wrong to pray to the saints, claiming that our prayers should be directed to God alone. Some Catholics, responding to this criticism, have argued that we do not pray to the saints but with them.
Both groups, however, are confusing prayer with worship. True worship (as opposed to veneration or honor) does indeed belong to God alone, and we should never worship man or any other creature as we worship God. But while worship may take the form of prayer, as in the Mass and other liturgies of the Church, not all prayer is worship. When we pray to the saints, we’re simply asking them to help us, by praying to God on our behalf, or thanking them for having already done so.
Since Christ was assumed into Heaven after telling the Church to do the Great Commission. Meaning mere men had the responsibility to spread the word of the Gospel. He has a Big confidence in man to bring the message to the whole world. More than we have for each other at times. He is sharing the burden here on earth for mankind. How much more so to share in total perfection of those in heaven. Who are in the body of Christ more Glorious than us. We can and do ask for their prays. Just like we ask for prays to fellow Christians in the body of Christ here.
I don't find myself PRAYING to the "Queen of Heaven", Mary, to ask HER to intercede with her Son..I don't believe SHE was immaculately conceived, or that SHE was assumed bodily into heaven, and is seated on the right hand of Christ, dispensing grace to mankind...
I was thinking the same thing
The Two Babylons is an anti-Catholic conspiracy theory based religious pamphlet produced initially by the Scottish theologian and Presbyterian Alexander Hislop in 1853. It was later expanded in 1858 and finally published as a book in 1919. Its central theme is its allegation that the Catholic Church is a veiled continuation of the pagan religion of Babylon, the veiled paganism being the product of a millennia old conspiracy.[1][2] It has been recognized by scholars as discredited and has been called a "tribute to historical inaccuracy and know-nothing religious bigotry" with "shoddy scholarship, blatant dishonesty" and a "nonsensical thesis".[3][4]
Although scholarship has shown the picture presented by Hislop to be absurd and based on an exceedingly poor understanding of historical Babylon and its religion, his book remains popular among some fundamentalist protestant Christians.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Babylons
Wiki got it right on this one. It lines up with other sites. Just to give you a taste of the bull.....
Lots of religions want their “Queen of Heaven” to venerate. There is nothing NEW under the sun. Just a repackaging and a new name.
Meaning no disrespect, FRiend, but your personal religious views and practices are of no interest to me. Thank you for writing.
That’s an interesting opinion — one based upon feelings and prejudices rather than facts, and thus of no value, but interesting. Thank you for writing.
I’m certain they don’t. But that is the beauty of the internet. It’s not about “you”. Meaning no disrespect, of course.
If it were “about me”, the Internet and the world would be a happier place for everybody.
In everyday language how does this work out in the life of a catholic
How is veneration and worship different?? in prayer ??in practice??
Prayer belongs to God and Yeshua alone. He does not share this with Mary or anyone else.
Now you seem to be trying to confuse the word “Communication” regarding the departed, believe you me, if they talked back to me I’d be the first to crap myself. But I do talk to my big brother who died when he fell out of his high chair in July 31, 1953 and hit his temple. I was born almost a year later on June 1. It almost destroyed my Mother. Her only brother who was 36 helped my mom through it but he got sick a few days later and died 28 days after my brother James. That did do my mom in and she didn’t come around till I was born. She never lost faith, she is 92 now and we were together at Mass yesterday. When I was going through some of the toughest days of my life last fall she suggested I talk to my brother because he is an angel. I was desperate enough to do so. I know he is with Jesus and I know he knows what is going on in my life and can’t help but think I’m living his life as well as my own. Well I opened up to him and told him I know I had a big brother and I loved him and I’m trying to live my life with honor and purpose but everything seems in a free fall. I prayed to Jesus and to my surprised things happened fast. I don’t communicate with the departed and I don’t know if God is granting my wish to avoid pain or the fortitude to deal with the pain, I’ve learned to like it that way.
I am merely tying make sure that we Catholics are not put in the same basket with these Pagan/Liberal ELCA types that have left Yeshua's worship in favor of something false.
I don't question anyone worship of Yeshua, but when they stop like with this ELCA bunch they forsake him. We must not, G-D bless you Sister.
Avinu shebashamayim yitkadesh shimcha, tavo malchutecha, yease retsoncha kebashamayim ken ba’aretz. Et lechem chukenu ten lanu hayom, uslach lanu al chataeinu, kefi shesolchim gam anachnu lachot’im lanu. Veal tevienu lijdei nisayon ki im chaltzenu min hara. Ki lecha hamamlacha hagvura vehatif’eret leolmei olamim. Amen.
Then what do you believe is the message and significance in the story of our Lord’s first miracle specifically the relationship between the parents in need, Jesus and his mother? How about when the people told Saint Peter they were starving and St Peter telling Jesus who then blessed the loaves and fishes and everybody got to eat!
Then what do you believe is the message and significance in the story of our Lord’s first miracle specifically the relationship between the parents in need, Jesus and his mother? How about when the people told Saint Peter they were starving and St Peter telling Jesus who then blessed the loaves and fishes and everybody got to eat!
Then what do you believe is the message and significance in the story of our Lord’s first miracle specifically the relationship between the parents in need, Jesus and his mother? How about when the people told Saint Peter they were starving and St Peter telling Jesus who then blessed the loaves and fishes and everybody got to eat!
It’s all in the semantics. You just do not understand. May God Richly Bless You!
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