Skip to comments.(Title shortened to fit)Statement of Joseph Smith that the Constitution would hang by a thread
Posted on 08/10/2010 1:18:05 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
D. Michael Stewart, Brigham Young University, Department of History I Have a Question, Ensign, June 1976, 6465
There are also other documents in Church History files that show that five different early Saints recorded some remarks by the Prophet Joseph Smith on this same prophecy, perhaps voiced by the Prophet a number of times in a number of ways after 1840. Parley P. Pratt wrote in 1841 that the prophet said, The government is fallen and needs redeeming. It is guilty of Blood and cannot stand as it now is but will come so near desolation as to hang as it were by a single hair!!!!! Then the servants goes [sic] to the nations of the earth, and gathers the strength of the Lords house! A mighty army!!!!!! And this is the redemption of Zion when the saints shall have redeemed that government and reinstated it in all its purity and glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (George A. Smith Papers, Church Archives, Box 7, Folder 5, January 21, 1841.)
James Burgess related that the Prophet, while addressing the Nauvoo Legion several miles east of Nauvoo in May 1843, said that the time would come when the constitution and government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the latter-day saints will step forth and save it. (James Burgess Journal, 18181904, Church Archives, vol. 1found among loose sermons.)
Orson Hyde recalled that the Prophet predicted that the time would come that the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow and said he, if the constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church. I believe this is about the language as nearly as I can recollect it. (JD, 6:150.)
In a Pioneer Day celebration in Ogden in 1871, Eliza R. Snow said, I heard the prophet say, The time will come when the government of these United States will be so nearly overthrown through its corruption, that the Constitution will hang as it were by a single hair, and the Latter-day Saintsthe Elders of Israelwill step forward to its rescue and save it. (Journal History, MSF 143 #28, July 24, 1871.)
Jedediah M. Grant, during the dark days of threatened invasion of Utah by a federal army, referred to the Prophets utterance as he addressed a Mormon Battalion gathering in Salt Lake City, February 6, 1855.
What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe. (Deseret News Weekly, January 19, 1870.)
On various occasions, Joseph Smith referred to the Constitution, the country, and destiny of the nation; and there is clear evidence that he anticipated future peril. Furthermore, he pronounced the prophecy at various times and places. Perhaps he himself interchanged the simile on the brink of ruin, hang by a brittle thread, hang by a single hair, etc., to describe the anticipated crisis. It is also clear that the redeemers or rescuers of the Constitution were to be either the Saints generally or priesthood officers specifically.
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Not much of a ‘prophecy”
It is kind of like a fortune cookie- “You will have some hard times then some good times”
“We’ll have rain this year...”
Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010
Social events, cultural activities, and entertainment are highly favored. You feel good and can enjoy yourself. There’s a tendency to overindulge in food or other comforts.
The accuracy of the forecast is uncanny!
Now that, that is my kind of religious leader.
Topics: False Prophet
Jeremiah 14:14-15 (KJV)
Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine
this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction. (Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844.)
So some mormons are going to rescue the document called the constution...
and thats going to make it alright ???
The country will be “saved”
How dumb did Joey Smith get ???
Even if the original copy of the Constitution got burnt or destroyed, the country wouldnt be effected...
Old flags are burnt in ceremony but the country goes on...
copies of the Constitution in books get destroyed bu tht e country goes on...
America and the rule of law, the Constution, is an idea formed in the hearts and minds of the people...
Up till 1844 when Joey Smith got himmself killed in that jail break, there were already 12 changes to the Constitution..
The Constitution and the US flag have both been changed several times..
but the country has gone on richer for the extra statrs and strengthened by the new Amendments...
After joey Smith died the black slaves were freed and given American citizenship by Amendments to the Constitution...how can that symbolize destruction ???
women were given the vote and land ownership as a qualification for voting priveliges was done away with...Dids joey objectg to equal rights for women ???
Utah became a state at last and joined the Union...33 other areas became states also..was that wrong ???
What are the mormons goju ng to do ??
to make the constituttion palatable to mormonism, will blacks be enslaved again and women robbed of their voting rights ???
Will many states be cut off front Wahington DC ??
Will the 22nd Amendment which stopped anyone from being presidente-for-life after the death of FDR be tossed out so that a mormon bishop like Romney can rule as king ???
the Latter-day Saintsthe Elders of Israel (Eliza R Snow, Journal History, MSF 143 #28, July 24, 1871.)
No Eliza the mormons are NOT the elders of Israel...
Nor are the mormons the “daughters of Israel”, the “mothers of israel”, the “daughters of Zion”...
If the elders, and I’m assuming that he means the elders of the church, are going to save the country and constitution, perhaps he was referring to their birth records files. Maybe they have information on Obama’s actual birthplace, parents? Maybe the Morman church can disqualify him? It’s a long shot, I know, but I’ve always heard that their geneology records are excellent.
God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece of the children of Israel, and he will
make me to be god to you in his stead, and the elders to be mouth for me;
and if you don't like it, you must lump it. Joseph Smith, Jr., Nauvoo, Illinois
Another good example of his eloquent leadership, IMHO.
Ive always heard that their geneology records are excellent.
Well you can hear a lot of things from the mormons but it doesnt make what they say correct...
in reality their IGI records stink...
They are unreliable and seldom sourced or proven..
they dead dunk live people, made up people, people who died as Christians and would never have wanted to be mormons...
they refuse to change any errors in their records...
I know Ive been trying to get something chamged for years...
They lack credibility in the real world and many historical and geneaqlogical societies will not accept their “records” for membership...
I know of no other large organization that is banned as they are...
Plus what they do have that is correct can be obtained at half the price from elsewhere...
The mormons dont own all the records YET ...
(Though goodness knows they have tried hard enough)
A little research will gather you what you might want from more reputable libraries and archives and will be more acceptable as “proofs”
Maybe they have information on Obamas actual birthplace, parents?
I doubt it...
Several mormons thought they were The ONE
Mitt Romneys father Geor5ge first thought it was himself and then he had Mitt picked out and groomed as savior and king of America. . Mitt sees himself as the fulfillment of this prophecy.
- George Romney, interview in A Mans Religion and American Politics: An Interview with Governor Romney, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1967, v. 2, p. 25
[T]here will be a complete change of government. Washington, D.C. will cease to be capital. The present national bureaucracy will have its end. The internal conflict will sweep away the current system of governments and will pave the way for the political kingdom of God and the millennial kingdom through which Jesus Christ will rule and reign.... A new government will be established among the saints and that political Kingdom of God will espouse and uphold the principles of Constitutional government.
They thought that Mitt Romnbey was born to fulfill the White Horse prophecy
Do you think for one moment that the mormons would not have pushed Romney into the White house by producing the info on Barry Soetoro if they had it ???
You will see the constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread.... A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America.... [T]he land will be left without a Supreme Government,... [Mormonism] will have gathered strength, sending out Elders to gather the honest in heart... to stand by the Constitution of the United States.... In these days... God will set up a Kingdom, never to be thrown down.... [T]he whole of America will be made the Zion of God.
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., May 6, 1843, in Roberts, Journal of John J. Roberts,
Get ready for Sharia Law, mormon style...
However, in re Mitt .... he really is like choking to death on vanilla ice cream. Can't those LDS people come up with some one else to ride The White Horse?
The mormon church has obviously weighed in on the birth subject as discussed in this FR thread of a year ago.
I am translating this into Latin for Pope Benny. I'm sure it will sound much more elegant ... while still telling everyone, "...it's my way or the Highway."
Can’t those LDS people come up with some one else to ride The White Horse?
Well Harry Reid is a “temple worthy” mormon...
Never heard of it ‘til now: looks interesting!
Any nail that sticks out gets pounded down.
“The rain will stop”! —The Amazing Criswell
The FIRST and only prediction he made that ever came true.
Very interesting. Ping for a full read later.
This is about the same as the false faith healers saying that God is telling them that someone in the TV audience is suffering from a headache. It is true that you can fool some of the people all of the time.
This is part of the "superiority" meme of mormonism. The belief is that God "restored" the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the hero, Joseph Smith and that everything that has come down from him from that point makes the membership anointed and special as having the "only" true way to salvation.
Of course, it would follow that there have been/would/will be wonderful acts that put Joseph Smith on a par with Jesus Christ as Savior, and since Smith was endowed with the magical power of the "priesthood" and passed it on to mormon males, any "saving" of the country/world will come through that line.
It wouldn't do for a pentecostal to "save the constitution" in that meme, would it? ;)
Wouldn’t know that by the way lds worship him.