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Muslims and Latter-day Saints Mormon (OPEN)
Cumorah.com ^ | David Stewart

Posted on 08/11/2010 10:43:46 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

(NOTE: This article is from a recognized LDS site)

 

Introduction

Latter-day Saints recognize Muslims as brothers and sisters, children of our Heavenly Father, with whom we can find much common ground. LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley stated: "we value our Muslim neighbors across the world." Latter-day Saints respect the strong values of Muslims as well as Islamic contributions to science, literature, history, philosophy, medicine, and the arts. Although there are many differences between Muslims and Latter-day Saints in doctrine and practice, we acknowledge these differences with respect rather than criticism.

 

Muhammad and Revelation

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that Muhammad was an inspired teacher who taught a portion of God's word. The Book of Mormon teaches: "The Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have; therefore, we see that the Lord doth counsel in wisdom, according to that which is just and true."[1] In a letter written on February 15, 1978, the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints declared:

 

 "Based upon ancient and modern revelation, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gladly teaches and declares the Christian doctrine that all men and women are brothers and sisters, not only by blood relationship from common mortal progenitors but also as literal spirit children of an Eternal Father. The great religious leaders of the world such as Muhammad, Confucius, and the Reformers ... received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals ... Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all peoples sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come ... Our message therefore is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women, regardless of religious belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we are truly brothers and sisters because we are sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father."[2]

 

LDS Apostle George Q. Cannon stated:

 

"I believe myself that Mahomed, whom the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets -- I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty, and inspired to a certain extent by Him to effect the reforms which he did in his land, and in the nations surrounding. He attacked idolatry, and restored the great and crowning idea that there is but one God. He taught that idea to his people, and reclaimed them from polytheism and from the heathenish practices into which they had fallen. I believe many men were inspired who lived after him and before him, who, nevertheless, did not have the Holy Priesthood, but were led by the Spirit of God to strive for a better condition of affairs and to live a purer and higher life than those by whom they were surrounded were living. But while this was the case, it was the Spirit of God that did it."[3]

 

Latter-day Saints accept all truth, wherever it may be found, as part of our religion -- whether in the Quran or in other good books.

 

God

Latter-day Saints and Muslims believe that God is just, merciful, all-knowing and all-powerful. Latter-day Saints recognize the terms God and Allah to refer to the same being in different languages. The Quran teaches: "Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends all things in (His) Knowledge."[4] The Book of Mormon teaches: "Believe in God; believe that he is, and that he created all things, both in heaven and in earth; believe that he has all wisdom, and all power, both in heaven and in earth; believe that man doth not comprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend."[5]

 

Christ and Muhammad

The Quran teaches that Jesus (Isa) was a great teacher and prophet sent by God. Latter-day Saints worship Jesus Christ as the son of God and Savior of the world. The Quran testifies that Allah sent Isa to teach truth: "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah."[6]

 

The Quran teaches that Jesus should be revered: "Behold! the angels said: 'O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.'"[7] It testifies of the many miracles performed by Jesus. Sura 3:47-51 states:

 

"She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?' He said: 'Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is! And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): 'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"

 

God strengthened Jesus by the Holy Spirit and gave Jesus power to perform miracles, heal the sick, raise the dead. The Quran states: "Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! ... thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs ..."[8] Muhammad never claimed to have performed any miracles.

 

The Quran further states of Jesus: "He said: 'I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; (He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again).' Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute."[9]

 

The Quran teaches that Jesus was taken up to heaven, where he dwells with God: "Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise."[10] Muhammad's grave is in Medina today. In contrast, Muhammad was told to seek forgiveness of his sins: "Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe ..."[11] Muhammad never claimed to be sinless.

 

Faith, Works, and Judgment

God will return to judge the world "When the earth is pounded to powder, And thy Lord cometh, and His angels, rank upon rank."[12] The Book of Mormon teaches that all men will one day "stand before God to be judged according to the deeds which have been done in the mortal body."[13] Latter-day Saints strive to "endure to the end" to be found worthy, through Christ's grace, to return to God.[14]

 

Both Muhammad and Christ taught that even after doing good works, the grace of God is still necessary. The Quran teaches: "If Allah were to punish men for their wrong-doing, He would not leave, on the (earth), a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: When their Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour, just as they would not be able to anticipate it (for a single hour)."[15] It continues: "One Day every soul will come up struggling for itself, and every soul will be recompensed (fully) for all its actions, and none will be unjustly dealt with. But verily thy Lord, to those who do wrong in ignorance, but who thereafter repent and make amends, thy Lord, after all this, is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."[16] The Bible teaches that "God is a merciful God."[17] The Book of Mormon prophet Nephi writes: "it is by grace we are saved, after all we can do."[18]

 

The Quran and the Book of Mormon teach that God looks upon our actions and our intentions. The Quran states, "Seest thou one who denies the Judgment (to come)? Then such is the (man) who repulses the orphan (with harshness), and encourages not the feeding of the indigent. So woe to the worshippers who are neglectful of their prayers, those who (want but) to be seen (of men), but refuse (to supply) (even) neighbourly needs."[19] The Book of Mormon teaches, "For behold, if a man being evil giveth a gift, he doeth it grudgingly; wherefore it is counted unto him the same as if he had retained the gift; wherefore he is counted evil before God. And likewise also is it counted evil unto a man, if he shall pray and not with real intent of heart; yea, and it profiteth him nothing, for God receiveth none such."[20]

 

The Quran, Bible, and Book of Mormon all warn against placing our hearts on riches. The Quran teaches that God's chastisement comes "because they love the life of this world better than the Hereafter: and Allah will not guide those who reject Faith."[21] The Bible teaches, "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."[22]

 

The Quran teaches: "Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend."[23] Jesus taught, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."[24]

 

The Quran and the Book of Mormon both teach the importance of obeying God's laws. The Quran teaches, "Then, he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) heavy, Will be in a life of good pleasure and satisfaction. But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) light, Will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit."[25] The Quran states that "those who believe in Allah and work righteousness, He will admit to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: Allah has indeed granted for them a most excellent Provision."[26] The Book of Mormon teaches: "And moreover, I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God. For behold, they are blessed in all things, both temporal and spiritual; and if they hold out faithful to the end they are received into heaven, that thereby they may dwell with God in a state of never-ending happiness."[27]

 

The Pillars of Islam

Similarities can be found between the "Five Pillars of Islam" and LDS beliefs. Latter-day Saints and Muslims believe that there is one God, and that we must have no other gods before Him. Second, Muslims pray five times daily toward the holy city of Mecca. Latter-day Saints pray daily, personally and with their families, a minimum of five times daily -- before all meals, when rising in the morning, and when retiring in the evening. We also believe that we should always have a prayer in our hearts. Third, Muslims participate in almsgiving, or giving one-fortieth of one's income to the poor. Latter-day Saints believe in the law of tithing and return one-tenth of all of our increase to the Lord. Fourth, Latter-day Saints and Muslims both believe that fasting can bring us closer to God. While Muslims fast from food and drink from sunrise to sunset from morning to evening throughout the entire month of Ramadan, Latter-day Saints believe in fasting for twenty-four hour periods once a month, or more frequently if the occasion warrants. Finally, Muslims strive to perform a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in one's lifetime. The travels of the early Latter-day Saint pioneers are in many ways comparable to those of devout Muslims. The sacrifices made by many LDS families to attend the temple at least once in a lifetime, and much more frequently, if opportunities allow, are in many ways similar to the sacrifices made by Muslim pilgrims to Mecca.

 

The Christian Apostasy

Muslims and Latter-day Saints both recognize that after the coming of Jesus, divisions and apostasy arose in the Christian church. The Quran teaches: "Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan."[28] Latter-day Saints recognize the departure of many Christians from the teachings of the Apostles and the loss of divine authority in the Church, as well as the restoration of God's church through the prophet Joseph Smith.

 

Latter-day Saints and Muslims acknowledge that writings in the Bible, while inspired and truthful, underwent some changes as they passed through the hands of careless scribes and translators and conniving priests. Latter-day Saints and Muslims also recognize that many doctrines of non-LDS Christianity come not from the Bible, but from various creeds and non-apostolic works of the so-called 'early church fathers,' as well as from pagan Greek and Roman traditions. Latter-day Saints do not accept the non-biblical creeds widely regarded by other Christian faiths.

 

The Divine Light and Revelation

Latter-day Saints receive guidance through ongoing revelation from living prophets and apostles today. While Jews accept the holy writings constituting the Old Testament and sectarian Christians claim to believe both the Old and New Testaments, Muslims recognize the Old and the New Testament and the Quran as inspired. In each case, a certain amount of revelation is accepted, but no more. Each group draws a line cutting themselves off from ongoing, contemporary revelation. This diverges from the Lord's pattern of constant, ongoing revelation to His people throughout all of recorded scripture. Latter-day Saints differ from Jews, Sectarian Christians, and Muslims in that we accept not only the Lord's ancient words in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, but we accept the words and instruction that the Lord continues to give through living prophets and apostles in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In the Book of Mormon, the Lord states: "because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished."[29]

 

God is eternal and unchanging, and He loves his children as much today as in the time of Abraham or Muhammad. He revealed to Abraham and Muhammad many particulars relating to even seemingly small aspects of daily life. Yet we face challenges today that did not exist at the time of Abraham or Muhammad. Would God withhold counsel from us today in great matters, when he taught Abraham and Muhammad even in small ones? Latter-day Saints believe that God in his wisdom has provided living prophets on earth today, in whom the divine light dwells, to provide us with direction. God also provides a way in which all those who live worthily and receive authorized ordinances can receive within themselves the divine light.

 

God sends the Holy Spirit to help us to identify truth. The Quran teaches: "Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims."[30] God promises that if we study, pray, and ask God sincerely, the power of the Holy Ghost can help us to know that the Book of Mormon is true.[31] The divine authority held in ancient times by apostles and prophets was restored in modern times through the prophet Joseph Smith.

 

The Book of Mormon

Like the Prophet Muhammad, Book of Mormon prophets like Alma and Moroni lived in times when many people held false beliefs and denied the one true God. The people of God were often persecuted and faced many hardships. God empowered chosen prophets to call people to repentance and teach divine truths. These truths are recorded in the Book of Mormon.

 

Practical Religion

For Muslims and Latter-day Saints, religion is not simply a philosophy, but a way of life. Latter-day Saints believe that gospel principles must govern daily conduct. The fruits of faith in the lives of Latter-day Saints are easily identified. Latter-day Saints and Muslims share in common a strong focus on the family. The family is recognized as the fundamental unit of society and as ordained by God. While lackadaisical attitudes towards morality and divorce are held by many non-LDS Christians, observant Latter-day Saints and Muslims highly value chastity, fidelity in marriage, and familial responsibility. Latter-day Saints are commanded by the Lord to "bring up children in light and truth."[32] U.S. research shows that active Latter-day Saint youth are far less likely to be involved in immoral conduct than their non-LDS peers.[33] Latter-day Saints, like observant Muslims, do not drink alcohol. Latter-day Saints observe a strict law of health that includes a healthy diet and abstinence from tobacco products and other harmful substances. Adherence to these teachings brings practical benefits. One medical study found that observant Latter-day Saints had a life expectancy eight to eleven years longer than the U.S. average.[34] Latter-day Saints also receive many other blessings as they strive to obey God's laws. LDS Prophet and Apostle David O. McKay stated that "the purpose of the gospel is ... to make bad men good and good men better, and to change human nature."

 

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints hold their Muslim neighbors around the world in high regard. Latter-day Saints extend an invitation to all people to learn of God, of His son Jesus Christ, and of His restored gospel, so that others may also share in the blessings of the gospel in this life and in the next.

 

[1] Alma 29:8

[2] Apocryphal Writings and the Latter-day Saints, ed. C. Wilfred Griggs, p. 29.

[3] George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, 24:371.

[4] Quran 65:12, Yusuf Ali edition

[6] Quran 5:46

[7] Quran 3:45

[8] Quran 5:110

[9] Quran 19:30-34

[10] Quran 4:158

[11] Quran 47:19, see also 40:55

[12] Quran 89:21-22

[15] Quran 16:61

[16] Quran 16:111, 119

[19] Quran 107:1-7

[21] Quran 16:107

[23] Quran 4:125

[25] Quran 101:6-9

[26] Quran 65:11

[28] Quran 2:253

[30] Quran 16:102

[33] Top, Brent L, and Bruce A. Chadwick. "Helping Teens Stay Strong." Ensign. March. 1999, p. 27.

[34] Enstrom, James E., "Health Practices and Mortality among Active California Mormons, 1980-1993," in James T. Duke (ed.), Latter-day Saint Social Life, Provo: Religious Studies Center, 1998, pp. 461-471.

 



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1 posted on 08/11/2010 10:43:51 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Ping


2 posted on 08/11/2010 10:45:58 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The most daunting challenge for Zero as POTUS is fitting all the speeches in between vacations.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’d have more respect for them if they didn’t claim to be Christian.


3 posted on 08/11/2010 10:46:32 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: greyfoxx39

Well, Joseph Smith and Muhommand were quite the con artists. You at least have to respect how they were able to persuade and market their fairy tales.


4 posted on 08/11/2010 10:47:10 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: greyfoxx39
Although there are many differences between Muslims and Latter-day Saints in doctrine and practice, we acknowledge these differences with respect rather than criticism.

I guess that the Mormon prophets admire the control that Islam has over the people. I suppose that it would be difficult for the LDS religion to criticize a religion that they share so many important doctrines with. That is why they easily attack biblical Christianity.
5 posted on 08/11/2010 10:47:42 AM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: greyfoxx39

They also hate alcohol and love polygamy.


6 posted on 08/11/2010 10:52:39 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: struggle
They also hate alcohol and love polygamy.

Same as Abraham, that sneak wasn't a Christian either.

7 posted on 08/11/2010 11:00:03 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: greyfoxx39

Just WOW


8 posted on 08/11/2010 11:04:26 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

All the Mormons on FR should read this and realize they need to leave the LDS.


9 posted on 08/11/2010 11:16:24 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: greyfoxx39

It just gets better and better.


10 posted on 08/11/2010 11:21:47 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: greyfoxx39

Latter-day Saints recognize the terms God and Allah to refer to the same being in different languages.
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Not the same Jesus
“There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.

No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”

– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)

“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26


11 posted on 08/11/2010 11:22:27 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ejonesie22

LDS Apostle George Q. Cannon stated:

“I believe myself that Mahomed, whom the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets — I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty,

George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, 24:371.


12 posted on 08/11/2010 11:24:34 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39; Paragon Defender

PING


13 posted on 08/11/2010 11:25:10 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I figure it's getting hard to keep track of all the prophets revelations....

It really sucks to have people writing down what you've said.....

14 posted on 08/11/2010 11:28:44 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: ejonesie22

Latter-day Saints accept all truth, wherever it may be found, as part of our religion — whether in the Quran or in other good books.

(Davide Stewart cumorah .com)


15 posted on 08/11/2010 11:29:48 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

It’s worth it to re-post the link to the article...

http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=gospel_topics&story_id=10


16 posted on 08/11/2010 11:30:49 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Osage Orange

I read somewhere that over the years mormons have burnt or destroyed any old family dairies, letters, sermons etc that they found that showed the mormons in a bad light..

gg granddad boasts of being at Mountain Meadows ...burn that so it never happened...

ggg grandma says she was only a 4th wife and was unhappy... no she wasnt she was the 1st and only and beloved of her husband.. other evidence is gone...

gg uncle writes that his father used to get drunk with Bro Joseph and go whoring... no lets burn that so Joseph never drank and he was true to Emma...

and so on...

BUT

lots of stuff still remain...

Oh noez...


17 posted on 08/11/2010 11:41:57 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39
Well, let's see: Muslims say Christians are "infidels"; and Mormons say Christians are "apostates."

Same theology there.

Muslims say an "angel" (ex-Angel?) appeared unto an illiterate Muhammad & told him to convert what the angel said into what would eventually become a sacred book.

Mormons say an "angel" (ex-Angel?) appeared unto an uneducated Joseph Smith & told him to convert what the angel uncovered into what would eventually become a sacred book.

Hmmm...

Seems like some "ex-angels" have the same M.O. every 1200 years or so.

18 posted on 08/11/2010 11:46:44 AM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: Tennessee Nana
George Q. Cannon,

BTW, Cannon was a "first counselor" [one of the three highest positions in Lds hierarchy] to four Lds "prophets" -- a "record" not matched by anybody. He was hardly a "nobody" by Mormon standards.

19 posted on 08/11/2010 11:49:17 AM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: Colofornian

Is it time for this ???

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)


20 posted on 08/11/2010 11:51:07 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Of course that happens in families....and organizations.

It's just human....

The problem for the mormons...is they have prophets on record...saying nutty, racist, crazy stuff. And they can't run away from that....But they try, and that's what I don't get. The Truth is staring them in the face...and they turn away.

21 posted on 08/11/2010 11:51:27 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: greyfoxx39
From the article: Both Muhammad and Christ taught that even after doing good works, the grace of God is still necessary.

Actually, Christ was directly asked

28Then they asked him, "What must WE do to do the works God requires?" (John 6:28)

Christ then directly turns the matter around, from what WE do to what God does through us and on our behalf: 29Jesus answered, "The work of GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

Besides, Mormons say that grace doesn't even kick in until "after ALL we can do." (2 Nephi 25:23, Book of Mormon)

What Mormon can say he or she has done "ALL" they can do spiritually, physically, mentally, strength-wise, emotionally, soul-wise, relationally? etc.

22 posted on 08/11/2010 11:54:48 AM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: greyfoxx39
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gladly teaches and declares the Christian doctrine that all men and women are brothers and sisters, not only by blood relationship from common mortal progenitors but also as literal spirit children of an Eternal Father.

Where does he find in the Bible that we are all brothers and sisters. I am a brother to all who have accepted the Jesus Christ of the Bible as Lord and Savior.

23 posted on 08/11/2010 12:06:46 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Nobody reads tag lines.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The great religious leaders of the world such as Muhammad, Confucius, and the Reformers ... received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals ... Consistent with these truths, we believe that God has given and will give to all peoples sufficient knowledge to help them on their way to eternal salvation, either in this life or in the life to come ...

(Apocryphal Writings and the Latter-day Saints, ed. C. Wilfred Griggs, p. 29.)
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Jesus said to Wilfred Griggs, “I am the Way, the Truth,l and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by ME.”

(The LORD Jesus Christ, John 14:6)


24 posted on 08/11/2010 12:10:58 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: fishtank

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that Muhammad was an inspired teacher who taught a portion of God’s word. The Book of Mormon teaches:....
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Unfortunatelyt the Moslems believe that Jesus was just a good man, a prophet, and not God, or the Son of God..

The Christian Bible teaches...

But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. 2 Corinthians 11:3, 4

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Galatians 1:6-8

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Peter 2:1

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. Matthew 7:15

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. Mark 13:22

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1


26 posted on 08/11/2010 12:30:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Angrymanatlibs

I saw a video of Mormons being trained in the art of Al-Takeyya, the elite, well trained door to door salesmen of Mormonism may not be the best source for truth on Mormonism.


27 posted on 08/11/2010 12:31:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Angrymanatlibs

Kid

Greyfoxx is only repeating what a mormon missionary has written...

the author of this piece of how you describe it

(as a Christian I dont use such words)

is a returning mormon missionary (no doubt)

So we will take his word that he speaks truth and plain shall we ???

(You cant have it both ways...

that would be unAmerican and mess up the Constitution)


28 posted on 08/11/2010 12:34:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Angrymanatlibs
Um you did notice that the article was from Cumorah.com, an international resource FOR LATTER DAY SAINTS...

So are you saying LDS people are lying about LDS people?


29 posted on 08/11/2010 12:39:35 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

LDS Apostle George Q. Cannon stated:

“I believe myself that Mahomed, whom the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets — I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty, and inspired to a certain extent by Him to effect the reforms which he did in his land, and in the nations surrounding. He attacked idolatry, and restored the great and crowning idea that there is but one God. He taught that idea to his people, and reclaimed them from polytheism and from the heathenish practices into which they had fallen. I believe many men were inspired who lived after him and before him, who, nevertheless, did not have the Holy Priesthood, but were led by the Spirit of God to strive for a better condition of affairs and to live a purer and higher life than those by whom they were surrounded were living. But while this was the case, it was the Spirit of God that did it.”[3]


30 posted on 08/11/2010 1:15:04 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Is there a source for that ???


31 posted on 08/11/2010 1:22:19 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/2568726/posts


32 posted on 08/11/2010 1:32:34 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: ansel12
"Al-Takeyya"

snort

33 posted on 08/11/2010 1:33:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The most daunting challenge for Zero as POTUS is fitting all the speeches in between vacations.)
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To: BlueMoose

Either theres a source you can post or not...

A link wont suffice...


34 posted on 08/11/2010 1:36:20 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39

It’s a snippet from the GF39’s original post.


35 posted on 08/11/2010 1:40:30 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I didn’t see anything in there about Christians.

Are we now the invisible majority?


36 posted on 08/11/2010 1:54:54 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Angrymanatlibs

Sir. Please speak to the issues in the article. It is from an lds website.


37 posted on 08/11/2010 1:59:29 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Angrymanatlibs

LDS people dont have anything to do with muslims.
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Well according to the mormons they have a lot do with them

“Similarities can be found between the “Five Pillars of Islam” and LDS beliefs” (David Stewart Curmorah .com a mormon site)

However Christianity is not similiar to Islam

as mormonism is not similiar to Christianity...


38 posted on 08/11/2010 2:07:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39
Yikes. That really is an LDS site.
39 posted on 08/11/2010 3:14:49 PM PDT by casuist (Audi alteram partem.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“All resources developed are made available online at no cost. The cumorah.com website has been in operation since 1999. We neither solicit nor accept donations. We provide only research, analysis, and resources and do not engage in proselytization. We respect world cultures and other faiths, and believe in “obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law” in every nation. All content is the sole responsibility of the individual authors, and is neither authorized nor approved by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints nor by any outside group or institution.”

http://www.cumorah.com/index.php

From Post 1

“I post articles from official mormon sources “

Cumorah.com is NOT and offical mormon web site.


40 posted on 08/11/2010 3:23:48 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: casuist

“All content is the sole responsibility of the individual authors, and is neither authorized nor approved by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints nor by any outside group or institution.”

See post 40


41 posted on 08/11/2010 3:26:07 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: casuist

“All content is the sole responsibility of the individual authors, and is neither authorized nor approved by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints nor by any outside group or institution.”

See post 40


42 posted on 08/11/2010 3:26:12 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose; greyfoxx39; restornu

LDS Apostle George Q. Cannon stated:

“I believe myself that Mahomed, whom the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets — I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty, and inspired to a certain extent by Him to effect the reforms which he did in his land, and in the nations surrounding. He attacked idolatry, and restored the great and crowning idea that there is but one God. He taught that idea to his people, and reclaimed them from polytheism and from the heathenish practices into which they had fallen. I believe many men were inspired who lived after him and before him, who, nevertheless, did not have the Holy Priesthood, but were led by the Spirit of God to strive for a better condition of affairs and to live a purer and higher life than those by whom they were surrounded were living. But while this was the case, it was the Spirit of God that did it.”[3]

[3] George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, 24:371.

Is a quote form the JoD considered “official”, “scripture”, both, etc??

I honestly don’t know.

P.S. pinging restornu, since she(he?) might know.


43 posted on 08/11/2010 3:47:56 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
http://www.mormonfortress.com/journal1.html

This is not an official LDS site.

44 posted on 08/11/2010 4:04:03 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

I’ve been reading the Journal of Discourses with a great deal of interest and pleasure, but I notice that they are not printed by the Church. Can you tell me how authoritative I should consider them to be?

Gerald E. Jones, “I Have a Question,” Ensign, Aug. 1978, 31–32

Gerald E. Jones, director, LDS Institute of Religion, Berkeley, California Many queries come from students concerning these twenty-six volumes first published in England between 1853 and 1886. The original intent of their publication was to provide income for George D. Watt, their stenographer and publisher. Many Church members in England desired to read the sermons delivered by the General Authorities of the Church in Utah, and Brother Watt’s books filled that need. He obtained clearance from the First Presidency 1 June 1853. Addressed to Elder Samuel Richards, missionary printer in England, and to “the Saints abroad” this statement introduced volume one:

“Dear Brethren—It is well known to many of you, that Elder George D. Watt, by our counsel, spent much time in the midst of poverty and hardships to acquire the art of reporting in Phonography [shorthand], which he has faithfully and fully accomplished; and he has been reporting the public Sermons, Discourses, Lectures delivered by the Presidency, the Twelve, and others in this city, for nearly two years, almost without fee or reward. Elder Watt now proposes to publish a Journal of these reports, in England, for the benefit of the Saints at large, and to obtain means to enable him to sustain his highly useful position of Reporter. You will perceive at once that this will be a work of mutual benefit, and we cheerfully and warmly request your cooperation in the purchase and sale of the above named Journal, and wish all the profits arising therefrom to be under the control of Elder Watt.” (Signed by Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, and Willard Richards.)

The first four volumes were reported by Elder Watt, but after that other reporters are included—one a sister, Julia Young. Brother Watt reported through volume twelve, when David W. Evans became the prime reporter. He was followed by George W. Gibbs, a secretary to the First Presidency.

In considering the reliability of the Journal of Discourses, we should remember certain circumstances.

Though the First Presidency endorsed the publication of the Journal, there was no endorsement as to the accuracy or reliability of the contents. There were occasions when the accuracy was questionable. The accounts were not always cleared by the speakers because of problems of time and distance. This was especially true during the persecution of the 1880s which finally forced the cessation of publication.

We should remember that the times were different then. A major concern of the early Saints was physical survival. Sermons often dealt with the practical problems of the time and so may seem quaint in our day, even if much of the advice is still valid.

Doctrinally, members of the Church were growing and learning. Most adults were converts who had to unlearn and relearn many doctrines. They were learning things which our children learn in Primary and Sunday School. Remarks were frequently impromptu. Close, friendly audiences frequently invited informal discussion of varied topics. There was occasional speculation about doctrines which have since been determined unimportant or even misleading.

The general membership of the Church has progressed in knowledge of gospel principles, which is as it should be. In our organizations, we have been taught the gospel for more than one hundred years now. Because of modern revelation and because of “line-upon-line, precept-upon-precept” progression, we have answers that were not yet given when the Journal of Discourses was published.

We also should be aware of priorities in our studies. It seems to me that we should first become very familiar with the four books of Scripture accepted as standard works. The words of our current living prophet are also most valuable for us in our time. The official statements of the First Presidency are standards for doctrine and practice in the Church. We should be familiar with the manuals and courses of study provided for us in our day. For further inspiration and instruction by the General Authorities, we can study general conference addresses, beginning with the most current and moving back in time.

Even after digesting these materials, some persons may still have time and inclination to peruse the Journal of Discourses. We can be grateful that records of the early sermons were kept to help us understand the growth of the Church and the testimonies of our early leaders. If we find the time to read them, however, we should avoid getting caught up in their uniqueness and should concentrate on the inspiring thoughts and experiences related to us by choice men.

Having taught seminary and institute classes for more than twenty years, I have tried to follow my own advice. Because I also love to read, I have read the scriptures many times, all of the general conference reports, and finally, all volumes of the Journal of Discourses.

Frankly, one of the main reasons I read the Journal of Discourses was so I could answer students’ questions about them with some knowledge of what they were about. Though I enjoyed reading them, gained some new insights, and was inspired by the spirit of the early brethren, except for the needs of students, there was no practical benefit that I could not have obtained from current conference talks with less effort, much greater clarity and more economy.

For me, the most pertinent discussion of gospel doctrines and answers to life’s problems and source of spiritual inspiration in today’s world comes from the standard works and our living prophets.

From lds.org


45 posted on 08/11/2010 4:14:17 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

OK so where are dead dunking, same sex priesthood holders, polygamy, pregnancy foreever, black people are demons, Mary had sex with the mormon god etc to be found ???

None of those are in the book of mormon...


46 posted on 08/11/2010 4:24:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: BlueMoose

OK so where are no coffee or tea or liquor or cigarettes to be found ???

None of those are in the book of mormon...


47 posted on 08/11/2010 4:26:05 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: BlueMoose

OK so where is the Garden of Eden in Missouri, Jesus coming back to Missouri, Jesus was a polygamist with children, God was a polygamist with children, Adam and Eve “fell up” and were hereoes, Jesus bleed in the Garden of Gethesamee to be found ???

None of those are in the book of mormon...


48 posted on 08/11/2010 4:30:12 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: BlueMoose

OK so where is the commandment to find the names of everyone who ever lived, the Constitution hanging by a thread and only the mormons can save it and how to be found ???

None of those are in the book of mormon...


49 posted on 08/11/2010 4:32:10 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; fishtank

To: Angrymanatlibs
Sir. Please speak to the issues in the article. It is from an lds website.

37 posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:59:29 PM by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)


50 posted on 08/11/2010 4:46:54 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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