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Gay Marriage and the End of Christian Civilization
Human Life International ^ | 8-13-10 | Fr Thomas J. Euteneuer

Posted on 08/13/2010 12:04:30 PM PDT by mlizzy

euteneuer Pictures, Images and PhotosBack in the 90s when Fr. Paul Marx, founder of HLI, was asked his opinion about the efforts to legalize "same-sex unions" he commented in his usual forthright fashion, "When they do that," he said, "it's the end." He meant "the end" of the Christian civilization whose values used to form the basis of American common life. Fr. Marx, in a prophetic sense, saw rightly that a society cannot survive the perverse manipulation of the very structure of reality that God Himself has revealed to us, one very fundamental element of which is the institution of marriage. When we allow that to be changed-"It's the end."

In 2009, 52% of the voting population in California endorsed Proposition 8 which ratified the constitutional protection of marriage as between a man and a woman. One might argue that even 52% was shockingly low on something so important, but the people won that battle despite the veritable war of the homosexual militants to sink that Proposition. In fact, Christian decency won and the structure of reality stayed intact, at least in this aspect of law in California, until this week when a single judge just nullified 7 million votes and the will of the people and lifted the "ban" on gay marriage. There was rejoicing in Sodom on the Bay, but how sad for our nation and even for our poor, misguided world that will weaken in its opposition to the homosexual lifestyle as a result of this decision.

So why, you ask, is gay marriage wrong? Let me count the ways.

First and foremost is because it violates the revealed Will of God as seen in Scripture. There are few things as clear in God's revelation as the sacred institution of marriage between a man and a woman. From Genesis 1 (the marriage of Adam and Eve) to Revelation 21 (the marriage of Christ the Lamb with His Bride the Church) God has had only one model of marriage, and it is not gay marriage. Even polygamy and divorce was done away with in the Christian Church, as Our Lord reminded all of the essence of marriage as it was "in the beginning." This Christian view of marriage became the norm of Western society and its most basic societal unit, undoubtedly allowing the West to flourish.

A close second to this is that gay marriage distorts the very concept of parenting as well as marriage. Even if you overlook the fact that gay marriage is by definition sterile, every child of a gay marriage has to be adopted or artificially inseminated, and that in itself is a violation of the whole concept of family. In the 80s the Vatican actually said that the adoption of children by homosexuals "does violence" to the child. Pretty strong language, but true nonetheless. In its simplest terms, kids need a mom and a dad, and are forever stigmatized by being the child of a gay marriage. Kids model their lives, their concept of family, their morals and oftentimes their whole worldview on their parents' attitudes and values. These kids get a totally distorted view of all these basics.

Third but by no means the last reason, all of society suffers because of the public endorsement of an intrinsically disordered lifestyle and practice. Yes, "disordered" is what our Church calls both the homosexual orientation and lifestyle, and gay marriage simply ratifies that disorder on a social level. In recent debates, the term "human right" to describe gay marriage and the charge that anyone who stands against it is guilty of "discrimination" are examples of these fundamental distortions. Fr. Marx was right: a society cannot long survive this kind of violence done to its basic values, and history surely shows many societies like Ancient Greece, whose rapid decline was preceded by the proliferation of the gay lifestyle and its public acceptance.

While we respect all people as they are, we don't have to respect such a wholesale assault on everything that is sacred to us and good for our society; no, in fact, we must fight against it with our very lives. The question is not whether or not we can win the battle; the question is whether we will join it. Will we accept the challenge to defend the sacred or not? We are called to be faithful and obedient to the Plan of God for our world, and within that, God will bring forth the victory. There is no doubt that, if it is not already there, gay marriage will be coming to your state soon. If we don't fight it, our souls, our families and basically, our very civilization, will find themselves at "the end" of the line in very short order.

Sincerely,

Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer
President, Human Life International


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1 posted on 08/13/2010 12:04:32 PM PDT by mlizzy
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To: mlizzy

Beat me to the punch! :)


2 posted on 08/13/2010 12:05:01 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Ha! Well, in 3 hrs., 59 minutes, you can put it back up ... *smiles*


3 posted on 08/13/2010 12:06:12 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy; Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; ...

Catholic ping!


4 posted on 08/13/2010 12:10:59 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

I have already lost a number of friends over the last few days because of this issue. I expect to lose nearly all of them — and a good part of my livelihood as well. I don’t care. I will not yield one millimeter. I will fling my beliefs into their faces with all my strength. I will never accept the validity of “gay marriage”, even if it means going to jail.

I hope that refusing to acknowledge homosexual “marriage” becomes a crime. I look forward to going to jail for this. That’s where a Christian belongs in a pagan culture anyway — in jail, or in the Coliseum. If they don’t hate you, you’re not doing the job Christ sent you to do.

They want a culture war? Let’s give them a culture war. Let’s fill their jails to the rafters with singing, victorious Christians. Let’s show them we can’t be broken, cajoled, compromised with, or enslaved. Let’s show them that, like Jesus, all they can do is kill us.


5 posted on 08/13/2010 12:13:21 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: mlizzy

ping


6 posted on 08/13/2010 12:13:35 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: mlizzy

The Sodomites are at the door.


7 posted on 08/13/2010 12:13:46 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: B-Chan

“Let’s show them we can’t be broken, cajoled, compromised with, or enslaved. Let’s show them that, like Jesus, all they can do is kill us.”

Christians in America need a significant revival before they’re going to be up for that.


8 posted on 08/13/2010 12:17:18 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: mlizzy
The natural end of the contraceptive mentality embraced several decades ago. We've finally arrived.

If marriage is not ordered to procreation and children are not viewed as the supreme gift of marriage, then marriage has already been redefined.

From that point onwards, it's just a matter of time............

9 posted on 08/13/2010 12:19:07 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: B-Chan
They want a culture war? Let’s give them a culture war. Let’s fill their jails to the rafters with singing, victorious Christians. Let’s show them we can’t be broken, cajoled, compromised with, or enslaved. Let’s show them that, like Jesus, all they can do is kill us.

Speaking from the belly of the beast in Connecticut, when gay marriage became legal here a few years ago (dictated by our RINO Gov), it wasn't even front page news in the paper. It featured on local talk radio for maybe two days.

My point is, while your passion is commendable, that strategy simply won't work everywhere.
10 posted on 08/13/2010 12:22:30 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: mlizzy

for later...


11 posted on 08/13/2010 12:23:22 PM PDT by Gipper08 (a real conservative for Congress... travishankins.com)
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To: marshmallow

Not to mention divorce, turning marriage for many into just another lousy gov’t contract to be broken and resumed as long as the state says it’s OK.

Freegards


12 posted on 08/13/2010 12:23:32 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: marshmallow
If marriage is not ordered to procreation and children are not viewed as the supreme gift of marriage, then marriage has already been redefined.

VERY GOOD POINT!

13 posted on 08/13/2010 12:23:46 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

Everything the author says is correct. This is common ground and is good for the church! Unity in the Spirit.


14 posted on 08/13/2010 12:24:31 PM PDT by liege (As for me, I'll pay more for tomatoes)
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To: B-Chan
Let’s fill their jails to the rafters with singing, victorious Christians. Let’s show them we can’t be broken, cajoled, compromised with, or enslaved. Let’s show them that, like Jesus, all they can do is kill us.

Ditto. Oh, and I'll be in the cell on the right, in case you want to get together for lunch.

15 posted on 08/13/2010 12:29:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: marshmallow

Come to the cabaret of corruption. Next Polygamy (we must cave in to our Islamic friends not to mention Mormon Cultists) Then, sex with children. Look to see a totally hedonistic society before thing cave in and a “New Order” takes over and brings back morality at a price. The only question—who will be the new leader? What will be the American Swastika? A torch? The statue of Liberty? Paul Revere on a horse? Downside: No freedoms, no guns.
Upside: Safe streets and jobs for all. America will be great again! Any one who says no will go to the camps in Alaska.


16 posted on 08/13/2010 12:31:10 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: B-Chan

Lol


17 posted on 08/13/2010 12:35:08 PM PDT by BigGaloot
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To: whattajoke
....while your passion is commendable, that strategy simply won't work everywhere

That depends on what you think the "strategy" intends to achieve. What do you think was Stephen's strategy in Acts 7? Do you think he succeeded, or failed?

18 posted on 08/13/2010 12:36:01 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: B-Chan
We might be cell mates. Do you prefer the top bunk or the bottom bunk? That's assuming they don't throw us in solitary for being guilty of "hate crimes". In that case we might have to learn to tap out the prayers of the Rosary in Morse Code on the cell walls. I wonder if that's ever been done before? We'll be classified as "haters". Potentially violent criminals who are a threat to peace-loving homosexuals.

Perhaps they'll send us to Guantanamo.

By that time Castro and communism will be gone and Catholicism will be flourishing once again in Cuba. We'll have come full circle and the good guys will be in Havana and the bad guys will be in Washington.

19 posted on 08/13/2010 12:37:17 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: mlizzy
"When they do that," he said, "it's the end." He meant "the end" of the Christian civilization whose values used to form the basis of American common life. Fr. Marx, in a prophetic sense, saw rightly that a society cannot survive the perverse manipulation of the very structure of reality that God Himself has revealed to us, one very fundamental element of which is the institution of marriage. When we allow that to be changed-"It's the end."
20 posted on 08/13/2010 12:38:53 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: mlizzy
"When they do that," he said, "it's the end." He meant "the end" of the Christian civilization whose values used to form the basis of American common life. Fr. Marx, in a prophetic sense, saw rightly that a society cannot survive the perverse manipulation of the very structure of reality that God Himself has revealed to us, one very fundamental element of which is the institution of marriage. When we allow that to be changed-"It's the end."

He is right. Notice he said when not if. Sad. Very sad. I have read the bible and know how this all ends.

21 posted on 08/13/2010 12:39:06 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Alex Murphy
That depends on what you think the "strategy" intends to achieve. What do you think was Stephen's strategy in Acts 7? Do you think he succeeded, or failed?

That is an excellent question. I don't usually venture into the religion forum, as I do not subscribe to a religion so I want to put that out there. The mods know I stay away.

But, Stephen's martyrism is, to me, one of the best stories in the Bible. My name is Stephen and I've always been proud to have that name as it relates to my biblical namesake.

Martyring oneself is always dependent on one's point of view of course. Stephen never killed anyone (if my memory serves), and merely stuck to his guns. Which is what the post I responded to said as well, but again, it's all perspective. While the fight might be valid to some, it won't play that way across the nation or the world and the martyr in this case will not acheive the ends which he wishes.

Stephen, OTOH, perhaps added a spark to what became the world's dominant religion, so in light of that, in retrospect, yes, his death was "worth it" for Christians everywhere.
22 posted on 08/13/2010 12:44:57 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: marshmallow

I’m married, and I’m sterile, have been since I was a kid. Does that make my marriage worth any less than yours?


23 posted on 08/13/2010 12:46:18 PM PDT by BigGaloot
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To: BigGaloot
I'm talking about marriages where the procreative process is deliberately and repeatedly obstructed by artificial means. Where the objective is to stymie new life and prevent it.

God blessed man and woman with the words: "Be fruitful and multiply." Hence, true married love and the whole structure of family life which results are directed to disposing the spouses to cooperate with the love of the Creator.

As to your question, no, your marriage is not worth any less than mine. Spouses to whom God has not granted children due to sterility for instance can, as the Catechism teaches ...."nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms. Their marriage can radiate a fruitfulness of charity, of hospitality, and of sacrifice. (CCC, #1654).

Impotence is a barrier to Catholic marriage (Can. 1084 §1, states: "Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have intercourse, whether on the part of the man or the woman, whether absolute or relative, nullifies marriage by its very nature") but sterility is not (Canon Law 1084 §3 states "Sterility neither prohibits nor nullifies marriage, without prejudice to the prescript of Can. 1098.")

24 posted on 08/13/2010 1:05:39 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: mlizzy
Homosexual marriage is a blatant example among other blatant examples that Christendom is dead. Christianity is not dead, but the religious beliefs that influenced the morality of nations has been totally rejected by our society. We are living in a secular and a Neo-pagan ethical era. If you are a Christian, especially if you are a clergyman, it is vitally important to understand that we cannot be friends of this society and friends with God. The two are antithetical to one another. The liberal mainline denominations have decided to follow the secular culture in hopes that the world will love them and join them. The world loves its own.
25 posted on 08/13/2010 1:14:59 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: BigGaloot

Why are you confusing issues of the will, homosexuality and contraception, with issues of the flesh, disability and incapacity?


26 posted on 08/13/2010 1:18:48 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: B-Chan
St Maximilian Kolbe
They want a culture war? Let’s give them a culture war. Let’s fill their jails to the rafters with singing, victorious Christians. Let’s show them we can’t be broken, cajoled, compromised with, or enslaved. Let’s show them that, like Jesus, all they can do is kill us.
You must have a special devotion to Maximilian Kolbe. I've got three sons whom I wish to continue to suffer and pray for (back to the pews), so I know they will be able to handle what lies in their future. If I get that far, I'll take whatever comes next ... :)
There is only one tragedy in the end, not to have been a saint -- Leon Bloy.
Pray the Rosary for Peace!
27 posted on 08/13/2010 1:20:56 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: marshmallow
In that case we might have to learn to tap out the prayers of the Rosary in Morse Code on the cell walls. I wonder if that's ever been done before?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Rosary or other prayers have been done in tap code.

28 posted on 08/13/2010 1:24:23 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Nosterrex
If you are a Christian, especially if you are a clergyman, it is vitally important to understand that we cannot be friends of this society and friends with God. The two are antithetical to one another.
Very true. St. Michael the Archangel, pray for Fr Euteneuer, and all priests/clergy ...
29 posted on 08/13/2010 1:46:10 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Pyro7480

Any Catholic who listened to today’s gospel would have immediately noticed Jesus’ condemnation of gay marriage. He made it clear that marriage is between man and woman and not between Adam and Andy or Eve and Ethel.


30 posted on 08/13/2010 1:51:59 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

And certain federal judges are letting them in.


31 posted on 08/13/2010 1:54:25 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: BigGaloot
I’m married, and I’m sterile, have been since I was a kid. Does that make my marriage worth any less than yours?

That depends on whether you're married to a qualified individual, an adult of the opposite sex. In such a way, you model the ideal culture-enhancing combination which is marriage, sterile or not.

Homosexual relationships are not even "sterile" in the proper sense of the word - sterility implies at least the ability to reproduce were it not for some defect in a component or a deficiency which would otherwise allow for natural reproduction by design. Men and women were designed to reproduce together. And marriage bridles this purpose to society's benefit.

32 posted on 08/13/2010 2:01:45 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: 353FMG

Made for Each Other: A Catechetical and Educational Aid
on Sexual Difference and Complementarity

http://www.usccb.org/marriageuniqueforareason/


33 posted on 08/13/2010 2:07:39 PM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Catholic ping!


34 posted on 08/13/2010 2:25:06 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: B-Chan

I hope that refusing to acknowledge homosexual “marriage” becomes a crime. I look forward to going to jail for this. That’s where a Christian belongs in a pagan culture anyway — in jail, or in the Coliseum. If they don’t hate you, you’re not doing the job Christ sent you to do.

I think that should the day arrive that allows "them" to criminalize opposition to homosexual marriages and allows Christians to be sent to jail is the day that "they" become the outlaws. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian values and to allow them to take away the rights of Christians in a country founded by Christians is to allow the sacrifices of millions to be in vain.

And don't be deceived into thinking that passive resistance is the way to go. Passive resistance only works when the oppressor has a moral framework to begin with. Had the Japanese reached India, Gandhi's ideas of passive resistance would have ended with his beheaded, bayoneted body floating down the river. The people who we are dealing with have no moral compass and will stop at nothing to silence (permanently) their opposition.

35 posted on 08/13/2010 2:27:54 PM PDT by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: B-Chan
I expect to lose nearly all of them — and a good part of my livelihood as well

I don't have any friends nor income to lose so I'm willing to go whole hog into this.

Very nice, pithy, and sincere comments you made above, thanks.

36 posted on 08/13/2010 2:34:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

We don’t get to go to war when we are ready, the war has come to us.


37 posted on 08/13/2010 2:52:24 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: mlizzy

Sorry for my post~


38 posted on 08/13/2010 4:49:07 PM PDT by francky (Pro Life!)
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To: Nosterrex

“We are living in a secular and a Neo-pagan ethical era. If you are a Christian, especially if you are a clergyman, it is vitally important to understand that we cannot be friends of this society and friends with God. The two are antithetical to one another.”

Brilliant summation. Do you mind if I add your words to my homepage? (I’ll credit you properly for them of course.)


39 posted on 08/13/2010 5:03:30 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: mlizzy

The argument needs to be made for CIVIL marriage being between one man and one woman:

http://stumpedagain.wordpress.com/marriage-not-so-gay/

Fundamental question: Why do we have civil marriage?

Answer: For the protection of women.


40 posted on 08/13/2010 5:06:57 PM PDT by cookcounty (Michael Bennet buried the children in debt, destroyed transparency, and now he wants your vote)
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To: B-Chan

Be my guest. Glad you found something I said to be of interest.


41 posted on 08/13/2010 5:12:15 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

You understand. Good post.

Thanks.

The others do not get it, so I will restate it, perhaps then they will.

The gig is up.

The game is over.

We lost.

Sodomy and all that follow it won.

And every evil imaginable will reign.

America the republic as we knew it is dead. Gone.

It cannot and never will come back, be saved, and this will not be undone.

Something else is taking its place.

And our ONLY and I mean ONLY SOLE SINGULAR option, is to help MAKE that new thing such that it is beneficial and benevolent as possible.

Because it CAN be much much worse.


42 posted on 08/13/2010 5:23:10 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith
You know when it's over when you are given the final demand: TOLERATE. Not stand for what is right, tolerate what is wrong. And we are told everyday that we must tolerate every evil. The ones who will not tolerate are the ones "attacked" for their intolerance. Our last chance was 9/11. It took less than 90 days to scrub and hide the truth. And to add insult to injury, TOLERATE the evil. For the good of all.

It is indeed over. We were given a final chance. And look where we are.

43 posted on 08/13/2010 5:31:06 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice

Yep.

Here is the rub...

If you would have said to ANYONE in 10.11.01 30 days after that we would elect a Muslim named Husien as President and that he may not even be a citizen and that the USSC would not even concider looking into the matter, you would have been mocked to scorn. Yet, here we are.

So let me put this out there.

We WILL BE an Islamic Conquered People in less than one generation.

I know most people here will disagree and make all kinds of excuses why I am going to be wrong. But I can tell you, I am not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU


44 posted on 08/13/2010 5:35:05 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

Next event: the Rapture of the Church the Body of Christ.


45 posted on 08/13/2010 6:29:12 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice

Yep... the ONLY unanswered question is:

How BAD will it get before we go?


46 posted on 08/13/2010 6:35:15 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

That’s the question. We know we are not appointed to God’s Wrath. But the world is being lined up for the tribulation. No doubt. We look around at the stage being set, and we know what is about to happen. All we know for certain is when the Body of Christ is complete, and only God knows who the last member will be, then we’re gone. It’s both fascinating and scary to see this all coming together. Scary, not because we will experience the tribulation, but scary because every day brings us another step closer. And just when you think it’s calmed down a bit, no, here comes something else. So, you are right. How bad can it get before the Body of Christ is complete?


47 posted on 08/13/2010 6:46:31 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: garybob

“The people who we are dealing with have no moral compass and will stop at nothing to silence (permanently) their opposition.”

When evil attacks, you have only two options: fight back, or go under.


49 posted on 08/13/2010 7:12:42 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: RachelFaith
I have family members who are not saved..and it breaks my heart..but we all must stand before God, alone, and..it's just too hard to talk about sometimes, you know?..

Yeah, we have guns and ammo, but food supplies for an extended period? No. I don't think that once it starts, we're going to be around for long. For one thing, the Antichrist won't be revealed until after we are gone. We do know that things can change on a dime. Overnight.

The most we can do right now, is be ready with the Gospel, pray for our loved ones, and keep our eyes to the sky. Maranatha!

50 posted on 08/13/2010 7:20:04 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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