Skip to comments.Sr. Gramick claims disconnect between laity and bishops, says half of priests are homos (Cath Cauc)
Posted on 08/15/2010 1:36:53 PM PDT by NYer
.- Sr. Jeannine Gramick, founder of a dissenting outreach effort to homosexual persons, in an interview with a Dallas-area homosexual paper has claimed to see a disconnect between laity and the Catholic bishops. She also asserted that as many as 50 percent of Catholic priests are homosexual.
Sr. Gramick co-founded New Ways Ministry in 1977. The organization describes itself as a gay-positive ministry of advocacy and justice, but the U.S. bishops have criticized its approach to Catholic moral teaching. She was has also faced disciplinary action from the Vatican.
The sister has been in Dallas to attend the Leadership Conference of Womens Religious (LCWR) and to speak to a group of Catholics. The LCWR is itself undergoing a doctrinal investigation from the Vatican.
In an interview with the newspaper The Dallas Voice, published on Aug. 12, Sr. Gramick said she believes God is calling her to do her work.
At her Wednesday speaking engagement at the homosexual Resource Center Dallas, she spoke with a teacher concerned she would be fired if she helped students who came out as homosexuals to her.
According to The Dallas Voice, Sr. Gramick said the teacher should help her students by teaching the full range of Catholic theologies. While the hierarchy teaches one thing, Gramick claimed, a vast majority of Catholic writers and theologians teach something else.
She estimated that as many as half of all priests are homosexual, claiming that people go to church because they like the priest and do not care about his sexual orientation.
Sr. Gramick referred to the story of a church in Greenwich Village which has marched in the New York gay pride parade, but was told by Archbishop Timothy Dolan that they could not carry their churchs banner in this years parade. According to the sister, the marchers instead wore T-shirts with their churchs logo and carried a blank banner.
They were on CNN. That was great publicity for the church that was being gay friendly, Gramick claimed. Not so good for the archbishop.
According to The Dallas Voice, New Ways Ministry is experimenting with a new program to target legislators as well as Catholic grassroots voters in Maryland.
In a February 5, 2010 statement, Cardinal Francis George said that New Ways Ministry has no approval or recognition from the Catholic Church and cannot speak on behalf of the Catholic faithful in the United States.
New Ways Ministry was like other groups that claim to be Catholic but deny central aspects of Church teaching. Its crucial defect, according to the cardinal, was its lack of adherence to Church teaching on the morality of homosexual acts.
No one should be misled by the claim that New Ways Ministry provides an authentic interpretation of Catholic teaching and an authentic Catholic pastoral practice, the cardinal said. Their claim to be Catholic only confuses the faithful regarding the authentic teaching and ministry of the Church with respect to persons with a homosexual inclination.
Sr. Jeanne needs to retire.
“She also asserted that as many as 50 percent of Catholic priests are homosexual.”
I heard an interview with a Catholic seminary professor and he agreed. There seems to be a feeling among candidates that “celibacy” means “no sex with women” according to the professor.
And the professor is wrong. Celibacy is just that .. no sex.
I guess all the shakers sect were gay.
People who say things like that have their own agenda. There’s no reason to believe them.
Lol! There is a large - former - Shaker community just up the road form where I reside. They were quite an interesting group.
Sr. Jeannine Gramick, SSND
Homosexuality (New Ways Ministry). Formally notified of her error by the Vatican and removed from her position.
Lisa Sowle Cahill
Complains about the Vatican's Formal Notification for Sr. Jeannine Gramick, SSND and Fr. Robert Nugent, SDS.
Jeannine Gramick, SSND
Supporter of Catholic Organizations for Renewal (National Coalition of American Nuns).
Jeannine Gramick, SSND
will display an 82-minute film about her disobedience to the Vatican regarding gay and lesbian Catholic teaching and "ministry."
I’ve been interested in the Shakers for many years. I believe Mother Ann Lee was a true visionary, although with some errors, and that the Shakers were a real movement of the Holy Spirit for their time.
Her grave is right up the road. You may find this interesting.
Agreed. I wouldn’t mind if she was tossed out on her ear, though. I suspect that her “estimates” originate with her perceived need to show a reason (other than her bias) for “ministry.” Either way, she needs to go.
the actual polls say the percentage in Los Angeles (where a poll was taken a few years ago) was under 30 percent, and half were celibate...and that is in a liberal diocese that admitted gays to their seminary.
Andrew Greeley points out that certain folks pull estimates out of the air and use it to push their agenda, but he is a trained sociologist and points out their data is fake because they rely on a limited population (the 50 percent is by a priest psychologist who has left and married and based it on the number he counseled, not the general population of priests).
I thought they were done, since they can’t procreate.
By the way, who are those priests standing behind her? They certainly don't seem to be frowning in disapproval.
Language geek says:
Celibacy means no marriage.
Continence means no sex (including any solo activities).
Chastity means the right use of the sexual faculties according to one's state in life. Therefore, chastity practiced by married people is different from the chastity required of unmarried people.
That looks like a photograph behind her, with all the priests. Probably it was on the wall of the (I imagine) little conference room where she was speaking.
“That was great publicity for the church that was being gay friendly, Gramick claimed. Not so good for the archbishop.”
Well, we all know publicity is the ultimate goal of the Church. Yeeeesh.