Skip to comments.Help me to understand.. Symbology of a Minaret ? (Vanity)
Posted on 08/16/2010 7:35:34 PM PDT by Celerity
Hello Freepers !
Not all churches have steeples, and not all mosques have Minarets.
What is the purpose of a Minaret ? My internet research is taking me into places I would rather not dwell (Like Islam conversion sites and other mind-numbing dreck)
I see a few Mosques on US soil - But this Minaret thingy seems to suggest that a mosque is special in some way. Anyone know ?
A minaret is a tuned antenna to Allah. If they have four or more, it’s a tuned array.
Here is an old paper from the American Oriental Society on the history.
I better make popcorn.
A minaret is simply the collective erection of every muslim man who wishes he could get it up.
Is this how Farrakhan talks to the mothership ? :D
Please, please, lots of that butter-oil. I don’t care about the calories.
Today - it is used to dominate the landscape so show the world that this is now islamic land.
Farrakhan isn’t even on the radio. He only communicates with his peeps.
Alright, while I have to join up or something to read the entire thing, I can see where this is going : It’s a “Beacon of Light”, yet there is nothing on it to suggest any light (Not flames or anything at the top)
I’m thinking that it’s an attempt to see the mosque from miles around (like ever other ancient pyre design).
I’m looking to see if there is a connection to the presence of a Minaret and the conquest of the land that the mosque was cobbled together upon (From Garbage.. Let my disdain for Islam be known)
Bateries not included
Also, a grammar error. Should be “Symbolism”, not Symbology. An admin is welcome to correct if it bugs them.
From what I cobbled together from various sites, it served like a steeple on early churches, with the same origin- a way to recognize the center of worship in the town. That is the ‘light’ it refers to. Like Christian churches used bells to call someone to church, Muslims had a call to prayer from the top of it so everyone could hear.
Remember, the origins of this were during a time when timekeeping instruments were rare so something like a regular call to prayer served as a good timekeeping device as well.
Steeples and Minarets are both phalic symbols.
Google is your friend for that kind of stuff.
However, I’m charitable tonight, so just click on the link here with your mouse and start reading:
Regarding the connection to conquest, you will find this interesting.
I don’t know if they are classically a symbol of conquest or a natural and familiar architectual feature that goes up to represent the religion?
Not in the Catholic dictionary. Not in the New Advent Catholic encyclopedia. Tells you something.
From what I could glean without clicking on anything it is a steeple sort of thing with a balcony on which someone can stand and call people to prayer.
*Why not just ring the bells like Catholics do?” My question — LOL!
Actually that is a good question. Not necessarily regarding bells, but is there a cultural or religious prohibition to something like this in Islam like there is regarding artistic depictions (which led to the unique artistic styles on classical Islamic architecture)? Bells or horns could be more efficient and certainly wouldn't be unknown.
seems rather obvious to me that a minaret is a stylized representation of a flame. A giant torch.
It’s where hajjis go to bang goats, away from the prying eyes of the Imam.
(It’s not that the Imam MINDS if the hajjis bang goats — it’s that if a peon happens to have a cute one, the Imam will take it for himself. Allahu akbar! Goat is good!)
Back before Islam when the Arabs were pagans worshipping many gods, demons, spirits, and so forth they had a "SKY GOD" and an "EARTH GOD" just like everybody else on the planet at one time or the other. (SEE FRIDAY and WEDNESDAY for a rough explanation).
Anyway, unlike virtually everyone else, the Arabian "skygod" was FEMALE while the Arabian "earthgod" was MALE.
The Arabs built minarets to commune with the skygod.
The 6th and 7th century "reforms" kept the minarets sans their original pagan meanings (supposedly).
The other deal is there really aren't any trees in most of Arabia so if you wanted to climb up one to see who was coming over the hill you'd first need to build one. And as phallic as they may be the Arabs have yet to come up with a minaret to rival the Washington Monument!
Take that sand pounders.
Thanks for that Cindy. Missed it.
One of the links included is very illuminating.
Christianity’s Minarets Originally Used By Islam To Show Dominance In Conquered Lands
EmailWritten by Cole2 on Dec-6-09 12:15pm
“...in 1998, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, leader of the ruling Islamist party and current Prime Minister of Turkey, recited: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers...
“Muhammad founded a creed, perfect for the underdeveloped desert Arab Bedouins. He opposed creating buildings on a grand scale, saying that “Truly the most unprofitable thing that eats the wealth of a believer is building” and that “Every expense of the believer will be rewarded except the expense of the building”.
“... a mosque should be simple and modest, a booth, like the booth of Moses.
“Minarets became a part of mosques in the period of the “Godless” Umayyad dynasty that came to power by ousting the Prophet’s grandson Hasan (661 CE), and later exterminating the Prophet’s offspring, including his other grandson Husayn...
“Umayyad Caliph al-Walid I (r. 695-715) was the first to introduce minarets to mosques, emulating the steeple, a bell-tower structure that was a feature of Christian churches. This move faced strong resistance from the pious, who objected to constructing anything higher than walls of the mosque. They also condemned the rulers for incorporating Christian symbols to sacred mosques.”
Islam prohibits almost everything. Here is what Google found:
"Mohammed has said that the bell is the devils pipe" (link.)
Maybe not a minaret, but that new Abu Dhabi skyscraper is sure of symbol of some sort.
The Fatiha (Opening) is the first sura (chapter) of the Quran and most common prayer of Islam. If youre a pious Muslim who prays the five requisite daily prayers of Islam, you will recite the Fatiha seventeen times in the course of those prayers.From Wafa Sultans book A God Who Hates pg. 168:
A Muslim prays five times a day, and on each occasion he recites the Fatiha, the first verse of the Koran, a number of times. This verse describes Christians as those who have gone astray and Jews as those who have incurred Your wrath. We see from this that Muslims execrate Christians and Jews a number of times in the course of a single prayer, which they repeat five times a day.
execrate verb 1. to detest utterly; abhor; abominate. 2. to curse; imprecate evil upon; damn; denounce: He execrated all who opposed him.No mosque - anywhere, in which the call to prayer takes place, and in which congregants chant the fatiha - is interested in building bridges or extending tolerance. They are however fully intent on gaining exceptional degrees of tolerance from all non-believers. When it comes to Islam, tolerance is a one way street. Believe it or else.
It symbolizes what they’re going to stick up our asses, if we don’t soon wake up.
You’re welcome Bhoy.
It has people living in it ~
That doesn't change the who's got the biggest one nature of all this skyscraper construction.
Wonder if the architechs of the ground zero mosque intend to build these high wnough that they become part of the NY skyline?
Hell’s bells is the sound of the catawaller(sp?) screeching from the minaret’s.
That sound is oppression to all those below.