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The Rev. Ann Tiemeyer, an ELCA pastor, is helping to spearhead an inclusive language initiative by the National Council of Churches. She's the NCC's program director for women's ministry. (Courtesy photo)

1 posted on 08/17/2010 2:00:53 PM PDT by lightman
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Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Be rooted in Christ!

2 posted on 08/17/2010 2:02:28 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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This is a cartload of horse manure. Social justice is a code word for socialism and wealth redistribution. G_D the Father is not a phrase to be toyed with.


4 posted on 08/17/2010 2:07:16 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: lightman

There have been a couple of “inclusive language” bibles published (TNIV, NRSV) and they have been disasters. Luckily, they can’t give them away - the market is miniscule.


6 posted on 08/17/2010 2:39:34 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: lightman
How does a mother explain the blond-haired, blue-eyed Jesus at church to her dark-skinned child?”

Is she crazy? Jesus is everyman. He looked like an Asiatic Jew: brown skinned, most likely brown eyed and black hair. He would have looked like a Yemeni Jew


And, Jesus can be depicted as black, white, asian, whatever -- He was / is God after all, and transcends silly things like color and race


7 posted on 08/17/2010 3:02:51 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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I won't have anything to do with a denominational group that ordains women as pastors/priests/leaders. Such teaching invariable involves distorting truth and proliferating heresy.

Can anyone tell me, do all branches of Methodism affirm women in the priesthood?

10 posted on 08/17/2010 4:01:34 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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I highly recommend a smallish book, “The Seduction of Extremes,” by Peter Kurowski, a pastor in the LCMS, published by Torelion Productions LLC, 10005 Keith Inct. Ct., St. Louis MO 63114. See also www.lawgospel.com.
Rev. Kurowski’s chapter on female ordination is the best argument against it that I’ve ever seen, covering both scriptural and worldly/practical aspects.


14 posted on 08/17/2010 4:38:59 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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This conference is so 70’s. As a seminary educated woman, I would much rather see women clergy spending their discussions and time on learning how to revitalize churches that are struggling and need solid leaders to help turn them around.


16 posted on 08/17/2010 10:10:02 PM PDT by MarilynBr
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I’m Orthodox now, but I studied at a United Methodist seminary thirty years ago. They were big on “inclusive language” and had an alternative hymnbook called “Songs for the People of God.” It included “Come, Holy Ghost, Our Souls Inspire” which, in its traditional form, has the doxology, “Praise to Thine eternal merit, Father, Son and Holy Spirit,” which was rendered, “Praise to Thine eternal merit, Mother-Father, Holy Spirit.”

I was talking about this to a friend, who wasn’t a Christian at the time, and I asked him what was wrong with this. He said, “They’ve left out Jesus.”

So I decided to bring this up in a class one day with a female professor. My question was what would cause the hymn-revisor to render it that way, and she admitted that some people “have problems with the second person of the Trinity,” AKA Jesus.


21 posted on 08/18/2010 9:04:09 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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And thus is the ELCA warring against those pernicious masculine pronouns: “God so loved the world that God gave God’s only Son that whosoever believes in God’s Son shall not perish but have everlasting life.”


22 posted on 08/18/2010 9:51:53 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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