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A Pastoral Response to Anne Rice quitting Christianity (Mark Driscoll)
The Washington Post ^ | 8/11/2010 | Mark Driscoll

Posted on 08/17/2010 2:20:02 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor

Anne Rice is in a season that many, if not all, Christians experience: the great joy of coming to personally embrace the love, forgiveness, and new life that Jesus offers is then followed by the troubles and trials of learning the teachings of the Bible and living with fellow Christians. Truthfully, both are difficult.

Every Christian struggles, to varying degrees, with different parts of the Bible because they call us to repent of beliefs we formerly held and ways in which we formerly behaved. Anne Rice struggles with the Bible's opposition to homosexuality and its teachings on gender roles. She also struggles with the teachings of the Catholic Church on birth control and politics, and many Protestants would likely agree with her in principle.

Additionally, every Christian has seasons in which he or she struggles to lovingly live in community with fellow Christians as the church. This is because some Christians are so self-righteous, mean spirited, and just plain annoying that even their pastors are occasionally tempted to preach in one of those "Jesus, Please Save Me from Your Followers" T-shirts.

The problem for Anne Rice is that, unlike other Christians who get to work out their faith struggles in private, she is a public figure who decided to write, "In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian" on her Facebook page, which only invites the kind of vicious online responses that pushed her to make the statement in the first place. To her credit, though, she was clear that she still loves Jesus Christ as her God and wants an ongoing relationship with him.

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TOPICS: Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: annerice; christians; markdriscoll; spiritualjourney
A measured response from a good pastor.

SnakeDoc

1 posted on 08/17/2010 2:20:04 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor
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To: SnakeDoctor

Aw shucks! She’s just trying to get out in front of all the “True Blood” fans.

She’s protecting her brand, doncha’ know. Now that everybody and their uncle is churning out vampire chic she has to stay in the headlines.


2 posted on 08/17/2010 2:24:30 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: SnakeDoctor

I wonder about the wisdom of even responding to these people. It only encourages them; i.e. “I don’t care what you say about me only that you are saying something.”-Hollywood Folk Saying


3 posted on 08/17/2010 2:25:14 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SnakeDoctor
It's no surprise to most that the biggest trouble with Christianity is the Christians. I had a pastor actually tell me that once, in private of course.
4 posted on 08/17/2010 2:28:24 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: SnakeDoctor

A good pastor, especially considering where his church is, but, oddly, a bit naive.


5 posted on 08/17/2010 2:32:18 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: fish hawk

Sorry she couldn’t cut the mustard on the self-control thing. More prayer might have helped. I know, the Devil’s been chasin’ me for years.

Well Anne, good luck...


6 posted on 08/17/2010 2:33:49 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Driscol is “the cussing Pastor”, correct?


7 posted on 08/17/2010 2:36:27 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Formerly. Pretty sure he backed off of that stuff. I didn’t run across him until after that.

SnakeDoc


8 posted on 08/17/2010 2:37:19 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: fish hawk

Humility seems rare gift among we Christians. Fewer and fewer have the ability to be both right, and tolerable. When right becomes self-righteous, we’re probably doing more harm than good.

SnakeDoc


9 posted on 08/17/2010 2:46:46 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
In the meantime, Christians should not be offended by her rejection of Christianity.

I'm not because I didn't invent the term, and I don't expect to know whether I really was one until I meet the Leader of the group some day and He tells me if I was one or not.

10 posted on 08/17/2010 2:48:34 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: SnakeDoctor
I stand guilty of that myself and afterwords I always feel bad and know I went over the line. I think I would do better if I always reminded myself that I am indwelt by the Holy Spirit. If I checked in with Him before I opened my mouth, it would save a lot of apologizing.
11 posted on 08/17/2010 2:55:00 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

We all fall into that trap. Particularly those of us on FR, where we’ve become accustomed to being right, and that is usually all that matters. So, Christians go from religion thread to religion thread beating up on each other over minor irrelevant doctrinal disagreements.

I wish my initial reaction to Rice had been as reasoned as Driscoll’s.

SnakeDoc


12 posted on 08/17/2010 3:01:10 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: sinanju

Bingo. I freely admit to being cynical. I agree that this overwrought, public stunt is a cry of “Look at me! Look at me! Write about ME! I need the press!”


13 posted on 08/17/2010 3:07:03 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SnakeDoctor

I am not sure why Driscoll tries to pin her problem on other Christians who are, “vicious, cruel, mean, unloving, and difficult to others”. Sounds to me like she doesn’t have the humility to deal with ideas outside of her leftist political agenda. If she doesn’t agree with Roman Catholic or conservative protestant teaching there are plenty of other churches that will not only accommodate, but celebrate her views.


14 posted on 08/17/2010 3:11:24 PM PDT by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: fish hawk
It's no surprise to most that the biggest trouble with Christianity is the Christians. I had a pastor actually tell me that once, in private of course.

When are humans not the problem? That Pastor needed a little counseling.

15 posted on 08/17/2010 3:38:48 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Busywhiskers

“vicious, cruel, mean, unloving, and difficult to others”. She probable really means “Conservative”.


16 posted on 08/17/2010 3:39:18 PM PDT by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: Busywhiskers

He pins her problem on both her inability to conform to doctrines relating to homosexuality, and to her inability to get along with other Christians.

As for the critique of Christians, it seems to me that he is taking this opportunity to teach Christians, as the opportunity to teach Anne Rice is likely lost for the moment.

SnakeDoc


17 posted on 08/17/2010 3:46:12 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

The sin no more part is the hardest part.


18 posted on 08/17/2010 3:48:40 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: jdsteel

Actually the “vicious, cruel, mean, unloving, and difficult to others” was a Stuart Driscoll quote. Her complaint seem to be mainly that some Christians opposed sin and took the Bible seriously.


19 posted on 08/17/2010 4:12:03 PM PDT by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Humility seems rare gift among we Christians. Fewer and fewer have the ability to be both right, and tolerable. When right becomes self-righteous, we’re probably doing more harm than good.

Thanx Doc I needed that.

20 posted on 08/17/2010 4:25:23 PM PDT by Right Brigade
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To: SnakeDoctor

Mark Driscoll is a good pastor, He is offering grace to someone he does not know or pastor.

Is she really a Christian or has she built a jesus that she likes ignoring the biblical one that will actually stand in judgment. We do not know.

I do agree that we need to pray for this hurting mother.. no one wants to think of a beloved child burning in hell for eternity


21 posted on 08/17/2010 5:23:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ansel12
He said it in a joking manner. He was a true Conservative thinking pastor and a brilliant Bible teacher. He died at a young age from a heart attack while out snorkeling in the ocean here on Maui. He was also the Chaplain of Maui Memorial Hospital and tow old folks homes and the Prison. In his younger days, after WW2 he was a Nazi hunter. Spoke perfect German and had the Aryan look which helped him nail a few of them who were in hiding. A true Hero in my books and was honored to serve with him in the Chaplaincy here on Maui.
22 posted on 08/17/2010 6:35:25 PM PDT by fish hawk
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