,,,and GOD only knows how many millions more...
Posted on 08/20/2010 7:59:28 AM PDT by DManA
In his own words ( I searched every permutation of the title and didn't find this has been posted. If it has blame the fr search engine not me)
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.beliefnet.com ...
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
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FALSANI:
Do you believe in heaven?
OBAMA:
Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?
FALSANI:
A place spiritually you go to after you die?
OBAMA:
What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded.
Hmmmm
Despite your lead in, it turns out to be a revealing interview.
Sorry, hope everyone reads this.
I would say Obama is a man who hasn’t thought very deeply about religion. And either he never learned the basics of the Christian Gospel, or if he has he has rejected it.
Read what he said about Jesus he mentions Jesus in the Christian faith, which implies he is elsewhere too. One of the ONLY instances I can think of in which Jesus exists in another religion is Islam. It is very bizarre phrasing he uses.
Part of the "I'm spiritual, not religious" crowd, who want to feel good about themselves without having to actually improve themselves or believe in anything.
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FALSANI
Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA:
Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.
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FALSANI:
Who's Jesus to you?
(He laughs nervously)
OBAMA:
Right.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.
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FALSANI:
Where do you find spiritual inspiration? Music, nature, literature, people, a conduit you plug into?
OBAMA:
There are so many.
Nothing is more powerful than the black church experience. A good choir and a good sermon in the black church, it's pretty hard not to be move and be transported.
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If he believes what he said (and I have no reason to doubt he does) then he is much closer to a Muslim than he is to a Christian.
so he basically had nothin prior to Rev. Wright and Trinity.
There is no doubt in my mind that he joined Trinity because if he hadn’t, there would have been no marriage to Michelle.
Here’s my prophesy (God didn’t whisper this into my ear but I see it clear as day):
Obama is going to become the great unifier. Saying that Christians and Muslims should come together because essentially they Islam and Christianity are the same religion.
Which is true if you gut everything from Christianity that makes it unique. Which he does.
” he joined Trinity because if he hadn’t, there would have been no marriage to Michelle.”
From what I recall he joined Trinity to establish his black connection to the community, and it was a place of influence in Chicago politics.
Once again, what’s in it for him.
Agree with the prior posters. He’s closer to Muslim than Christian, and as is the case in so many things, always wants it both ways.
In other words “ what religion am I” I vote “present”
the least...to say the most...
,,,and GOD only knows how many millions more...
How can you say this?
Muslims believe that Christ was a prophet and Allah is the prophet of Islam.
Christians believe that Christ is the God of Christianity.
How will Obama morph Christianity and Islam together with any semblance of rationality?
American Christians will not stand for this mockery.
better explained...
A Muslim who was raised a Christian told me this very thing. I’m afraid the bulk of Americans will fall for this.
The first step is you discredit the Trinity and marginalize believers in it.
eg. It was a late invention by the Romans. It’s illogical, doesn’t make sense. Only radicals really believe it. I don’t see it in MY bible. etc.
Pay attention and see if you don’t see this happening.
Yes.
“Here’s my prophesy (God didn’t whisper this into my ear but I see it clear as day):
Obama is going to become the great unifier. Saying that Christians and Muslims should come together because essentially they Islam and Christianity are the same religion.
Which is true if you gut everything from Christianity that makes it unique. Which he does.”
You must be smoking something.
Please make your criticism specific.
My answer to that is that the stupid will fall for anything. God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit all exist together. If the stupid cannot believe this, then I cannot stop them, just like I cannot stop the Democrats from being the evil, blind liberals that they are.
Since the night Obama won the election I pretty much worry only about the family members that sit at my kitchen table, because those are the mouths I have to feed and the ones I can pray for. I’m their mother. I have to shut out the rest, for my own sanity a lot of the time.
Sounds like an interview with a Freemason
The only thing the two have in common is the fact there is only one God and it is not even the same one.
By no means am I defending christianity for there are many leaders within who are led by Satan but islam is no better.
Personally, the sooner these religions get their heads out of the books (Bible & Koran) and listen to the quiet voice in their hearts (GOD) for we are all temples of God. THE BETTER.
Obama is the ANTI CHRIST want to be.
IIRC, some Muslims believe Christians are polytheistic, because of the Trinity. I may be wrong though.
They can believe what they wish. It just shows me that they are uneducated.
I gather arguing with them would be similar to arguing with someone of the Mormon faith.
Uh, you have the faith statements wrong. Certainly hope that you have not stated what you understand about this
conflict.
1.)”There is but one God, Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet”
This is central tenet to islam. Not Allah as a prophet.
Allah is God, Mohammed is his only true prophet. Jesus
is held to be a prophet... not part of the Trinity of
God.
2.)Christians do NOT believe that Christ is the “God” of Christianity-— that is a perversion of the beliefs of virtually ANY denomination of Christianity. With some exceptions in some denominations, Christ is part of the Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit— God is in three “persons”. You have stated this wrong as well.
If people like yourself believe what you have written in your post, then it will be made much easier for Imam Obamao to try to “morph” these together. That is easier for the greatly un-educated “new religionists”, who want to go along get along.
Fortunately, there are Legions of Christians of all denominations (except those giving into the inevitability of Sharia law) in the US and the world who will fight to the death against this. Christian soldiers. Crusaders.
Yes, Crusaders.
Who would name a child Barack? The name derives from
“barakah” from the Arabic term meaning blessing, particularly, spiritual gifts or protection transmitted from God. It is also described as “the greater good” derived from any act.
To the vast muslim world and slobbering sychophants in the US, THAT is who this dude is—all evidence to the contrary to thinking Americans.
If he claims he is Christian, then what is his Christian name taken at baptism? Thus the need for obscuring his past, in so many ways. Obfuscation, dodging, belief in the “civic religion” in this interview (a neo-marxist, statist concept)—that is who he is. A Constitution stands in the way with our defense of our rights. This shall not pass.
I miss typed the entire post, Mosby. I should never have posted it. I am very sorry.
I meant to say that Mohammed was a prophet. But, it is true the the Muslims see Jesus as a minor prophet, only. They also call the Christians and the Jews “The People of the Book”.
And I do know that Christ is part of the Trinity. But I did mean to say that there is Jesus who lived here on earth with us in the form of a human who came here to die for our sins, and He is also part of the Trinity, the other parts being God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
I typed the whole post too fast without as much attention as it deserved. I had someone pull into my driveway who needed my attention, so I was rushing to post.
My sincerest apologies to you.
Thanks, apology accepted. You had me and DManA worried. But you know, what you wrote is understood to be the way you stated it by a pretty large number (farrakhanites, and others). Of interest, perhaps more than what all we have read on the interview and in this thread, is that muslims believe that a child born of a muslim heritage in the father, IS a muslim. Further, that if that muslim becomes a Christian, he is apostate to islam and condemned to death. So, obamao does a dance (real or designed to be real) to avoid a fatwa. My overall view stated here and elsewhere is that marxism is using islam. There are many dead islamics who testify to historical marxist methods.
"Allah" is the word for "God" in Arabic, used as such also by Christian Arabs. In Maltese, which is derived from medieval Arabic, the word for God is "Alla."
To you and I who have studied it and believe, yes the gulf is uncrossable. But to someone like Obama who never gets beneath the surface there are many seeming similarities, once you get rid of the Trinity. I am afraid that is the level the bulk of Americans stay at.
I’m predicting it, doesn’t mean I like it. It’s pure evil.
Or a Unitarian.
“I’m predicting it, doesn’t mean I like it. It’s pure evil.”
Of this we can agree. Pure Evil
Yup!
We posted that 9 months ago. Are you just catching up?
Yes and no.
OBAMA:
What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded.
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Sounds like Islam to me.
The FR thread from 2008 was one of the search results, and I pulled it up out of curiosity.
After a steady diet of Joel Osteen, Rick Warren and others American Christianity is weak and flabby. American "Christians" will fall in right behind this.
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But I don’t think Barry is a Muslim or a Christian. He is a pure materialist. He’s never given spiratual maters two seconds of thought in his life. His answers are just vague impressions he picked up at random in his childhood that he thinks people might like to hear.
FALSANI:
Who's Jesus to you?(He laughs nervously)
OBAMA:
Right.Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.
The above is not the response of a Christian. It's the response of a pastor who follows the Jesus Seminar closely, but still wants to keep people in the seats giving money.
It's the ultimate obfuscation of the Jesus critics.
Obama was born to and raised by new world order types, i.e., the shadowy world of international finance that has the governments of the world by the debt tail.
The “new world order types” have been continually pushing “programs” and “activists” and “philanthropy” and central banking and globalism for centuries.
In the bamster’s case, his mama’s parents were tied in with international “micro finance”, his “frank” influential figure was a communist, etc., etc., etc. His mama and Timmy Geithner’s father (long time new world order operative) knew each other.
The mob-founded new world order branch Pritzker empire backed the little bamster as he crawled up the ladder set before him by new world order.
The probability of all of these relationships being in place and bammy NOT being an operative of new world order is virtually nil.
He wore the stripes of the “leftist” new world order front, as opposed to the “conservative” front from the get go.
New world order has either partially or completely subsumed most American religious organizations, which work for new world order’s goals either knowingly or unwittingly.
To check out your own Church, just research their international programs, their affiliations and connections with the CIA, non-profit foundations and international banking. Be prepared for a shocker; of course, if you find problems you should simply look for a “cleaner” Church to belong to. (note to anyone reading this): I don’t want to get into the details of this here - please do not ask me about these details here, but please instead do your own research.
Having bammy sitting in that Church he sat in was, of course, purely for political reasons, and he was guided to the place at the outset of his synthetic career by his handlers, who, incidentally, are the people who gave him the “religion” he really wound up settling on, which is the new world order religion. Incidentally, he’s nowhere near the top of the new world order ladder and he never will be.
Hey, first time I ever agreed with him.
Hopefully, he was referring to impeachment....
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