Skip to comments.[OPEN thread] Hey CATHOLIC CAUCUS - What's up with the illegals?
Posted on 08/20/2010 6:30:58 PM PDT by GunsAndBibles
Then give to Caesar what is Caesar, but give to God what is Gods. (Mat 22:15-21)
I'm surprised you guys have the guts to show up around here with the unabashed support of the Catholic Church for the illegal invasion.
Last Sunday, Assumption Day, there was a parade here complete with Mexican Flags and Aztec dancers headed to the local Catholic Church.
So enlighten me, why is the Catholic Church aiding and abetting lawbreakers?
you should leave your mom's basement and try talking to a girl sometime.
Same reason as the Democrats, to increase their membership.
Because many of the bishops and priests are nothing but Democrats—Progressives—Commies—who use their clerical status as a platform to promote what they really think is important: Leftism.
Even if you get a decent response it would be part of a caucused thread and you wouldn’t be able to respond.
Don't be surprised. I don't support it, and "the Church" doesn't either, the opinions of some bishops notwithstanding.
Reflections in the Light of the Word of God and Catholic Social Teaching
Migration in the Light of the Word of God
22. The word of God and the Catholic social teaching it inspires illuminate an understandingone that is ultimately full of hopethat recognizes the lights and shadows that are a part of the ethical, social, political, economic, and cultural dimensions of migrations between our two countries. The word of God and Catholic social teaching also bring to light the causes that give rise to migrations, as well as the consequences that they have on the communities of origin and destination.
23. These lights and shadows are seen in faith as part of the dynamics of creation and grace on the one hand, and of sin and death on the other, that form the backdrop of all salvation history.
24. Even in the harsh stories of migration, God is present, revealing himself. Abraham stepped out in faith to respond to God's call (Gn 12:1). He and Sarah extended bounteous hospitality to three strangers who were actually a manifestation of the Lord, and this became a paradigm for the response to strangers of Abraham's descendants. The grace of God even broke through situations of sin in the forced migration of the children of Jacob: Joseph, sold into slavery, eventually became the savior of his family (Gn 37:45)a type of Jesus, who, betrayed by a friend for thirty pieces of silver, saves the human family.
25. The key events in the history of the Chosen People of enslavement by the Egyptians and of liberation by God led to commandments regarding strangers (Ex 23:9; Lv 19:33). Israel's conduct with the stranger is both an imitation of God and the primary, specific Old Testament manifestation of the great commandment to love one's neighbor: "For the Lord, your God, is the . . . Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who has no favorites, accepts no bribes, who executes justice for the orphan and widow, and befriends the alien, feeding and clothing him. So you, too, must befriend the alien, for you were once aliens yourselves in the land of Egypt" (Dt 10:17-19). For the Israelites, these injunctions were not only personal exhortations: the welcome and care of the alien were structured into their gleaning and tithing laws (Lv 19:9-10; Dt 14:28-29).
26. Recalling the migration of the Chosen People from Egypt, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph themselves were refugees in Egypt: "Out of Egypt I called my son" (Mt 2:15). From this account the Holy Family has become a figure with whom Christian migrants and refugees throughout the ages can identify, giving them hope and courage in hard times.
St. Matthew also describes the mysterious presence of Jesus in the migrants who frequently lack food and drink and are detained in prison (Mt 25:35-36). The "Son of Man" who "comes in his glory" (Mt 25:31) will judge his followers by the way they respond to those in such need: "Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me" (Mt 25:40).
27. The Risen Christ commanded his apostles to go to all nations to preach his message and to draw all people through faith and baptism into the life of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Mt 28:16-20). The Risen Christ sealed this command through the sending of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1-21). The triumph of grace in the Resurrection of Christ plants hope in the hearts of all believers, and the Spirit works in the Church to unite all peoples of all races and cultures into the one family of God (Eph 2:17-20).
The Holy Spirit has been present throughout the history of the Church to work against injustice, division, and oppression and to bring about respect for individual human rights, unity of races and cultures, and the incorporation of the marginalized into full life in the Church. In modern times, one of the ways this work of the Spirit has been manifested is through Catholic social teaching, in particular the teachings on human dignity and the principle of solidarity.
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So, Mr. "GunsAndBibles", where specifically in the Scriptures you claim to know so well does the Lord express his contempt for refugees?
Is there any precedent in the Gospel for a devout Evangelical such as yourself to tell others "FOAD"? Obviously the sheer childishness of it doesn't seem promising, but can you cite us chapter and verse?
The illegal alien, Carlos A. Martinelly Montano, who slammed into a car carrying three Benedictine nuns, killing one of them, was being legally represented throughout his deportation process by Catholic Charities.
Yawn .... Catholic bashing. Nothing new under the sun.
In fact, the Catholic bishops in Italy are critical of how the Italian government handles illegals there (mostly Muslim) and they have come out against deportations of the Roma (a/k/a gypsies) in France recently (not Catholic...Orthodox?)
Having said that, the discussion of social doctrine in regards to illegals is another point. If I have the wherewithal this evening, I will go through it. But they are consistent even with non-Catholic illegals.
Look, it’s pretty natural that a person try to protect their own, ya know? If evangelicals are getting picked on somewhere in China, who do you think will be the most upset? Hindus?
I get the bishops’ opinions on this from a pastoral perspective. But where I think they go wrong is that it is *against the law* to enter the country illegally and people need to be obedient to the lawful authorities.
And don’t countries have the right to set immigration laws? If we for whatever reasons decide we want more Mexicans, then fine....lobby Congress to expand LEGAL immigration.
Lest we forget, the Catholic Church was the first to prosthelytize Central and South America. Never mind that Catholicism in many of those areas was just incorporated into the tribal religions...
The Catholic Church then very much misuses Leviticus 19:33-34, taking it completely out of context to justify harboring illegal aliens.
Thing is - that passage is specifically addressed to Israel, and is meant as a way to treat visitors - those who are present on legitimate and legal business. Remember, Israel was called out to be a peculiar people to show their God to the world - His might, and His perfection. Many from other lands who came to Israel on legitimate business were mistreated, and ripped off in business.
Nice cut and paste job...
Yes they would. Since you must know many illegal immigrants are not Catholic but may be Atheists or Evangelical Protestants.
Catholic Bashing... hmmm....
If my particular Baptist association began supporting lawbreaking illegals, I would hope that more than just those outside of our organization would be raising red flags!
So, why not chime in with a reasoned, measured, and logical response and set the example for all those (us?) Catholic bashers.
While the question was originally posted in a somewhat antagonistic form, the question is still quite legitimate.
Or we can play the same game that went around in 2008 - questioning Mitt Romney’s claimed “conservatism” was immediately identified as “Mormon-bashing”.
So the question still stands - why do so many within the Catholic Church choose to come down on the side of supporting/harboring/fighting FOR illegal immigration?
I don’t know the facts of the case. Maybe they had a good reason to defend him. But it’s also possible that he was being mollycoddled by some goofballs in Catholic Charities—lot of goofballs in Catholic Social Justice circles. We got a big Church.
And go ahead and be ticked. I’m Catholic and i’m ticked about it too, and so are my Catholic parents who immigrated to this country LEGALLY and have no patience for this illegal nonsense.