Skip to comments.Pro-Abortion ‘Catholic’ Groups Oppose Mother Teresa Honor
Posted on 08/20/2010 9:55:39 PM PDT by topher
Friday August 20, 2010
Pro-Abortion Catholic Groups Oppose Mother Teresa Honor
August 20, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Catholic League has for months been on a campaign to have the Empire State Building light its towers to honor the centenary of the late Mother Teresa on August 26. While the owners of the Building have done so for other anniversaries, including the 60th anniversary of the Chinese communist regime, they have refused to honor Mother Teresa by lighting its towers. Several pro-abortion groups which refer to themselves as Catholic have signed on to a statement affirming the decision by officials from the Empire State Building.
The organizations include:
The Catholic League will lead a rally on behalf of Mother Teresa on August 26, right outside the Empire State Building.
We have the support of people from all over the world, and from all the world's religions, said Donohue. Even those who are not pro-life are on our side, which just goes to show how extreme the dissenters are. But as long as they remain marginalized, they are of no historic moment.
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But I guess these groups are all on the Dark Side and are truly in the grips of Satan!
Maybe Major Barf Alert is in order for these CINO groups (Catholic in Name Only and Anti-Catholic in nature)
A woman who wants to kill her innocent unborn child is not a Catholic. The fact that they hate Mother Teresa is not surprising.
I’d suggest that these people just become protestants but I know too many good decent protestants to wish these fools upon them.
Maybe some people should consider atheism. After all, what part of “Thou shalt not murder” don’t they understand? Not many penumbras in the Bible.
Pro-abortion Catholic groups?
Good grief, that’s an oxymoron. Ain’t no such thing!
How does that make sense? Protestants are more pro-life than Catholics; what does being pro-abortion have to do with becoming Protestant?
Being pro-life isn’t just about pressing a button or pulling a lever every other year or so. It’s about praying in front of the clinics. It’s about counseling the women. It’s about saving the babies by getting them adopted. It’s about putting up women in crisis pregnancies. By and large, that grunt work is being done by pro-life Catholics.
Satan is making progress....sickening!!!!
From LifeSiteNews.com, regarding Hispanics and abortion, Friday August 13, 2010
"A gap also appeared between Catholic and non-Catholic Hispanics. Although the Catholic Church regards abortion as an "unspeakable sin" and equivalent to murder, a higher number of self-identified "Catholics" in the poll indicated that they wanted to maintain the legality of abortion, 41%, as opposed to self-identified Protestants, 26%.
The poll also indicates that Hispanic Americans also oppose same-sex "marriage." Only 31 percent support it, and an additional 28% are in favor of allowing "civil unions." Thirty-five percent of respondents oppose both. However, Protestants were much more strongly against homosexual "marriage" than Catholics, again, despite the Catholic Church's strong condemnation of all homosexual unions and homosexual acts."
I’m familiar with the graph/statistics, and the LifeSiteNews.com site is run by Catholics. The “Protestant” label is used in a general sense, that these pro-abortion Catholics are dissenting against Church teaching, just as the Protestant/”Reformed” dissent/protest/disagree with Church teaching. There are plenty of left-wing mainline Protestant churches where the politics are the same as the Catholics-in-name-only.
Protestant is a general label.
The reality is that Protestants are more pro life, as diluted as the category is, than Catholics, and never in history has the majority of the Protestant vote gone to a pro-abortion President, the majority of Catholics have supported the pro abortion Presidential candidate many times(actually the majority of times, and that is since they became less liberal than they used to be in history)
The difference between Hispanics that are Protestant and those that are Catholic is startling in terms of pro-life support, anti-gay “marriage” and voting.
My point here is that Catholics need to stop this constant denial of the truth and get a little angry at what is going on in the Catholic churches, we need catholics to become more conservative, but how can that happen when even conservative activists keep clinging to fantasies?
Don’t Catholics ever look inward rather than always defensively striking outward at anyone that tries to lift the shades and let in some sunlight?
Dont Catholics ever look inward rather than always defensively striking outward at anyone that tries to lift the shades and let in some sunlight?
You don't think we don't know what's going on? That there's been a wholesale dereliction of duty of the bishops to teach their flock the truth about abortion and homosexuality? That's the culprit of the poll results you're seeing! You're not paying enough attention to the Catholic threads on here!
It's not a fantasy to point out that most of the grunt work done in the pro-life movement is done by Catholics. It's organizations like Knights of Columbus, American Life League, Human Life International, all run by Catholics, and local crisis pregnancy centers, many run by Catholics, that are getting the grassroots work done. As I said before, the ballot is only part of the process. I've been fighting in the pro-life movement for 12 years, and you can't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
You may know what is going on, although really, you don't seem to accept it either, it isn't a new situation, it is 170 years old.
Catholics are less dependably liberal during the last 30 years than the previous 140 years, so this isn't some new thing of an individual Bishop or two suddenly corrupting the flock.
If you pay attention to the Catholic threads where this topic of organic Catholic liberalism comes up, you will see a wall of denial of all sorts. Look at your own posts on this thread, denial, explanations, avoidance of looking at the heart of the matter, they are mild, but I don't even think that you have acknowledged or that you accept the fact of Protestantism and anti-abortion-ism versus Catholicism and pro-abortion-ism.
In a certain sense, you are right, but not for the reason you probably think (as I'm guessing you're "Protestant"). The actual crisis actually dates back to the late Middle Ages. Richard Weaver, a non-Catholic, correctly diagnosed the problem in his "Ideas Have Consequences" - a philosophical change which has ultimately lead to a denial of absolute truth.
you will see a wall of denial of all sorts. Look at your own posts on this thread, denial, explanations, avoidance of looking at the heart of the matter, they are mild, but I don't even think that you have acknowledged or that you accept the fact of Protestantism and anti-abortion-ism versus Catholicism and pro-abortion-ism.
LOL, and I see you're completely ignoring my facts and point about pro-life grassroots. You also seem to be treating Protestants as a pro-life monolith, when they're clearly not. You also seem to be equating widespread dissent/ignorance of Catholic teaching among Catholics with Catholic dogma, when they're clearly at odds.
Of course not, while the Catholic numbers are just that, people that are of that one single church whether devout or not.
Protestant includes almost all blacks, also the lesbian priests and ministers, homosexual Churches and all kinds of stuff, 1/3rd of the Hispanics even, yet their vote majority when the category is lumped together is always Republican, even against Roosevelt in 1940 and 1944, the only times that the Protestant vote has gone Democrat was 1964, 1932, and 1936, and they are more pro-life than Catholics.
This myth machine of Catholicism as being conservative, pro-life, etc, etc, is nonsense.
Hispanic Protestants vote to the right of the total Catholic vote, yet we all constantly hear about the "Hispanic" vote.
White women vote well to the right of white Catholics, yet we always hear about the "female" vote.
The Inquisition was presicely set up to prevent false advertising on the part of fake “Catholics”.
Apart from the fact that its procedures were an improvement upon previous conditions, there are some times when it feels badly needed.
Americans don’t allow that here.
not one of these is a Catholic group. They are political groups, with, at best, the word catholic in the name. By definition, they cannot be pro-abortion and Catholic. Several are funded by George Soros, albeit in a vaguely indirect manner. I don’t know if you watch Michael Voris’ Real Catholic TV, but they did a special dissecting the funding and purposes of several of these groups a couple of months ago. Worth watching. Anyway, I agree with you, Major Barf Alert, followed by a Major Feeble Attempt At Deception Alert for the groups themselves.
ansel12, let’s be honest. The Church doesn’t teach that abortion is equivalent to murder. The Church teaches that it IS murder. Not the same. Likewise, if you believe that Gallup polls are not based solely in politics and skewed accordingly, you’re mistaken. The Church also teaches the following on homosexuality (from catholic.com)
“The modern arguments in favor of homosexuality have thus been insufficient to overcome the evidence that homosexual behavior is against divine and natural law, as the Bible and the Church, as well as the wider circle of Jewish and Christian (not to mention Muslim) writers, have always held.
The Catholic Church thus teaches: “Basing itself on sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved” (Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357).
However, the Church also acknowledges that “[homosexualitys] psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. . . . The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill Gods will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lords cross the difficulties that they may encounter from their condition.
“Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection” (CCC 2357 2359).”
That’s the official teaching (catechism) regarding it. We do not believe in, nor do we support, in any way, gay marriage. No gay acts. You’ve taken it upon yourself to use the opportunity of this article’s posting to engage in a bit of bashing, as if those assertions were apropos to the story at large. These groups are NOT Catholic. They are political, and at least a few are funded by Soros, with the intent of using said groups to attempt to sway those genuine Catholics who’ve experienced bad catechesis. And unfortunately, some fell for it. The real story here is the falseness of these groups, and those not dissimilar groups of your ecclesial communities(Evangelicals For The Common Good, anyone?) Seriously, whether one is Catholic, some flavor of protestant or jewish, groups flying under false colors of religion for the benefit of politics are appalling.
There it is again.
Ignoring reality, to get into theory and defenses.
Read post 6 to see why I posted, you skipped past it evidently, and then read the rest of my posts, your post is irrelevant to what is actually happening with Catholics and abortion and liberalism and voting Democrat.
My interest is in getting some change started, but to get there, I first have to get you guys to see what Catholics do outside of your fantasies, and what that means to conservatism, the pro-life efforts, and elections.
"In our time more than ever before, the chief strength of the wicked lies in the cowardice and weakness of good men.... All the strength of Satan's reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics. Oh! if I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the prophet Zachary did in spirit: what are those wounds in the midst of thy hands? The answer would not be doubtful: with these was I wounded in the house of them that loved me. I was wounded by my friends, who did nothing to defend me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of my adversaries. And this reproach can be levelled at the weak and timid Catholics of all countries." (Pope St. Pius X, 1908)
Catholics who follow what the Church teaches ARE conservative and pro-life. Those who don't, like all other leftists, put their politics/lifestyle ahead of their faith.
That is a useless thing to bother saying and frankly, 170 years of American voting history says different, what are we supposed to do now, go back to sleep and pretend that Catholics are not voting as they are (and almost always have in American history)and so nothing needs to be done?
We can't keep fighting to maintain a destructive, false illusion and denial of truth and reality, or America is doomed.
Before this, the moral voice of the Church stood up against communism and socialism.
I do not see the need of carrying this discussion further with you, because we're not going to convince each other of the validity of our positions.
In that 50 years the Catholic vote supported John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Humphrey, Jimmy Carter, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Obama.
Out of that list, only Johnson won a majority of the Protestant vote.
Read post 9.
You’re ignoring George W. Bush won the Catholic vote in ‘04.
No I didn’t, John Kerry is not on that list of Democrats of the last 50 years that won the Catholic vote.
As proud as conservative Catholics are of that reelection vote for a sitting President, Hispanic Protestants gave him a greater majority than Catholics did.
When? From 1928 to 1980, we do know that the Catholic vote always went for the left until 1980 with the exception of the 1972 election, and possibly the 1956 election (Gallup says no).
While Catholics were voting for Al Smith, Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Truman, Adlai Stevenson, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey, and Jimmy Carter.
Protestants were voting Republican every time except for 1932, 1936, and 1964.
Ever hear of Fulton Sheen?
If you are calling Al Smith a man of the left you demonstrate your ignorance of American political history. In 1928 Smith was on Hoover’s right. Even FDR campaigned as being to Hoover’s right. The Dem platform attacked Hoover for big government policies. In those days they still remembered Grover Cleveland, who was more conservative than most Republicans of his time. Wilson was the first ‘progressive’ Dem President, and the party still was heavily conservative for some decades. Remember that Joe, Jack and Bobby Kennedy all supported Joe McCarthy.